(12-09-2015 11:55 AM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  This is not a cut at Coastal, but I think they'll find it to be tough in the SBC. Coastal has made a habit of scheduling shift FCS teams. That's going to hurt them for awhile. Look at this past season. They lost to every decent team they played. The Citadel, Charleston Southern and Liberty. Stepping up to the level of compitition will take awhile.

Eh, who knows, honestly. We're bowl-bound, and I'm not fully convinced we would have even been a playoff team if we had played an FCS schedule, considering how poorly we started the year.

(12-09-2015 12:31 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 11:55 AM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  This is not a cut at Coastal, but I think they'll find it to be tough in the SBC. Coastal has made a habit of scheduling shift FCS teams. That's going to hurt them for awhile. Look at this past season. They lost to every decent team they played. The Citadel, Charleston Southern and Liberty. Stepping up to the level of compitition will take awhile.

Eh, who knows, honestly. We're bowl-bound, and I'm not fully convinced we would have even been a playoff team if we had played an FCS schedule, considering how poorly we started the year.

That may be true but the GSU team that played the last 6 games was quite different than the one that played the last 6, much like App last year. I think you will benefit greatly when you finally get your own stadium as well. Even if you had 30K in the Dome, it lacks the atmosphere of a packed 25-30 seat place. Hope GSU succeeds in getting the Turner field complex.

As for CCU, expect to be competitive, but inconsistent. As with most transitionals you will lack depth and injuries to starters will be hard to replace. The coaches will have a little learning curve as well.

That will be a tough division, the East that is. If Troy and GSU keep trending up, then there are four competitive teams right there.

It may be a little tougher for CCU to pull off what TXST, GSU, GS & App were able to do in their first year of bowl eligibility because opposing coaches and players will point right to the success of those programs in year one for motivation. All of the above have proven beyond argument a fully transitioned FCS team can come in and kick some ass right off the bat in the FBS. Not saying CCU can't run the table in their first year in the Belt but I'd more expect you guys to be more than a competitive matchup, win or lose.

(12-09-2015 08:54 PM)airtroop Wrote:  It may be a little tougher for CCU to pull off what TXST, GSU, GS & App were able to do in their first year of bowl eligibility because opposing coaches and players will point right to the success of those programs in year one for motivation. All of the above have proven beyond argument a fully transitioned FCS team can come in and kick some ass right off the bat in the FBS. Not saying CCU can't run the table in their first year in the Belt but I'd more expect you guys to be more than a competitive matchup, win or lose.

Thing is, troop, we were in our first year without any "FCS recruits" and hit the skids big time. Every player this year was recruited as an "FBS" caliber player and what did that get us? You just never know what you're going to get when you recruit. We did better without these FBS guys than we did with a whole team of them.

People say one or two players don't make a lot of difference but what we lost on D was devastating.
Mayo - JUCO
Orakpo - FBS transfer
Odiari - D2 walk on transfer
Targun - FCS 2 sport (recruited by Wright & Harrington but signed by Fran)
Mager - FCS Wright recruit

Most of the O guys we lost after last season were also FCS guys. 5th year players.

Fran has proven he isn't reloading with depth. The 2's became 1's this year and they couldn't hold up.

(12-09-2015 09:43 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 08:54 PM)airtroop Wrote:  It may be a little tougher for CCU to pull off what TXST, GSU, GS & App were able to do in their first year of bowl eligibility because opposing coaches and players will point right to the success of those programs in year one for motivation. All of the above have proven beyond argument a fully transitioned FCS team can come in and kick some ass right off the bat in the FBS. Not saying CCU can't run the table in their first year in the Belt but I'd more expect you guys to be more than a competitive matchup, win or lose.

Thing is, troop, we were in our first year without any "FCS recruits" and hit the skids big time. Every player this year was recruited as an "FBS" caliber player and what did that get us? You just never know what you're going to get when you recruit. We did better without these FBS guys than we did with a whole team of them.

People say one or two players don't make a lot of difference but what we lost on D was devastating.
Mayo - JUCO
Orakpo - FBS transfer
Odiari - D2 walk on transfer
Targun - FCS 2 sport (recruited by Wright & Harrington but signed by Fran)
Mager - FCS Wright recruit

Most of the O guys we lost after last season were also FCS guys. 5th year players.

Fran has proven he isn't reloading with depth. The 2's became 1's this year and they couldn't hold up.

Good point as usual, CatMom. I'll disagree with the many who say a couple of players don't make a difference. As a handicapper (pro sports only in my case) I can tell you Los Vegas gives Aaron Rodgers 4 ppg and Tom Brady 6 ppg currently, and those are just 2 examples of many. How many points per game college guys like Derrick Henry are worth is unknown to me but I PROMISE you they are worth a certain number of points to handicappers like myself and the oddsmakers in Los Vegas... and for good reason - they all singularly have the ability to affect the outcome of a game.

Happy Birthday CatMom!

(12-11-2015 06:30 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Happy Birthday CatMom!

Thank you. Been out prowling, in my 70's hip jeans, with a few friends.

Actual picture of me, in the 70's, in hip jeans.



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Sorry about the derail

We now return you to your regular posts and thread.

(12-09-2015 06:37 PM)PantherPride Wrote:  That will be a tough division, the East that is. If Troy and GSU keep trending up, then there are four competitive teams right there.

Does South Alabama know you guys are counting them out already?

(12-12-2015 12:28 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 06:37 PM)PantherPride Wrote:  That will be a tough division, the East that is. If Troy and GSU keep trending up, then there are four competitive teams right there.

Does South Alabama know you guys are counting them out already?

Yes. Obviously we suck. Even though we have the best OOC win for the conference this year. We cannot compete with the Beach Chickens.

(12-12-2015 12:28 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 06:37 PM)PantherPride Wrote:  That will be a tough division, the East that is. If Troy and GSU keep trending up, then there are four competitive teams right there.

Does South Alabama know you guys are counting them out already?

I wasn't counting them out, but if Troy and GSU keep trending up and South Alabama remains a .500 team, that doesn't leave a lot of room for success.

(12-12-2015 01:58 AM)TheMackAttack Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 12:28 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 06:37 PM)PantherPride Wrote:  That will be a tough division, the East that is. If Troy and GSU keep trending up, then there are four competitive teams right there.

Does South Alabama know you guys are counting them out already?

I wasn't counting them out, but if Troy and GSU keep trending up and South Alabama remains a .500 team, that doesn't leave a lot of room for success.

A fair point... our current coach has yet to prove he can break .500 in "big boy football".

(12-12-2015 01:12 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 01:58 AM)TheMackAttack Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 12:28 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 06:37 PM)PantherPride Wrote:  That will be a tough division, the East that is. If Troy and GSU keep trending up, then there are four competitive teams right there.

Does South Alabama know you guys are counting them out already?

I wasn't counting them out, but if Troy and GSU keep trending up and South Alabama remains a .500 team, that doesn't leave a lot of room for success.

A fair point... our current coach has yet to prove he can break .500 in "big boy football".

While I'm terribly dissapointed in our 5-7 year, it probably represents a better than average year given the losses we had to replace. That being said, it is on Coach JJ that we had so many starters to replace. His seat will start to get warm if we don't bowl next year.

(12-12-2015 01:31 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 01:12 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 01:58 AM)TheMackAttack Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 12:28 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 06:37 PM)PantherPride Wrote:  That will be a tough division, the East that is. If Troy and GSU keep trending up, then there are four competitive teams right there.

Does South Alabama know you guys are counting them out already?

I wasn't counting them out, but if Troy and GSU keep trending up and South Alabama remains a .500 team, that doesn't leave a lot of room for success.

A fair point... our current coach has yet to prove he can break .500 in "big boy football".

While I'm terribly dissapointed in our 5-7 year, it probably represents a better than average year given the losses we had to replace. That being said, it is on Coach JJ that we had so many starters to replace. His seat will start to get warm if we don't bowl next year.

I'm right there withya

(12-12-2015 02:16 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 01:31 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 01:12 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 01:58 AM)TheMackAttack Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 12:28 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Does South Alabama know you guys are counting them out already?

I wasn't counting them out, but if Troy and GSU keep trending up and South Alabama remains a .500 team, that doesn't leave a lot of room for success.

A fair point... our current coach has yet to prove he can break .500 in "big boy football".

While I'm terribly dissapointed in our 5-7 year, it probably represents a better than average year given the losses we had to replace. That being said, it is on Coach JJ that we had so many starters to replace. His seat will start to get warm if we don't bowl next year.

I'm right there withya

Says the guys who got in a Bowl over a team with a better record.
Stop whining. You've had football 7 years.

(12-12-2015 02:34 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 02:16 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 01:31 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 01:12 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 01:58 AM)TheMackAttack Wrote:  I wasn't counting them out, but if Troy and GSU keep trending up and South Alabama remains a .500 team, that doesn't leave a lot of room for success.

A fair point... our current coach has yet to prove he can break .500 in "big boy football".

While I'm terribly dissapointed in our 5-7 year, it probably represents a better than average year given the losses we had to replace. That being said, it is on Coach JJ that we had so many starters to replace. His seat will start to get warm if we don't bowl next year.

I'm right there withya

Says the guys who got in a Bowl over a team with a better record.
Stop whining. You've had football 7 years.

We beat you guys last year and we had the same number of FBS wins. Its hard to say you guys got hosed by us (maybe hosed in general, but not hosed by us).

If we were entitled whiny people, we'd be calling to fire Jones now. We're not. We understand this season. We didn't make a bowl, but we did get our best win in school history. So the season wasn't a total loss.

I get that you guys have more reasons to be upset than us. But that doesn't mean that we aren't mildly upset. If we poop the bed next year, then there'll be an issue.

(12-12-2015 03:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 02:34 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 02:16 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 01:31 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 01:12 PM)airtroop Wrote:  A fair point... our current coach has yet to prove he can break .500 in "big boy football".

While I'm terribly dissapointed in our 5-7 year, it probably represents a better than average year given the losses we had to replace. That being said, it is on Coach JJ that we had so many starters to replace. His seat will start to get warm if we don't bowl next year.

I'm right there withya

Says the guys who got in a Bowl over a team with a better record.
Stop whining. You've had football 7 years.

We beat you guys last year and we had the same number of FBS wins. Its hard to say you guys got hosed by us (maybe hosed in general, but not hosed by us).

If we were entitled whiny people, we'd be calling to fire Jones now. We're not. We understand this season. We didn't make a bowl, but we did get our best win in school history. So the season wasn't a total loss.

I get that you guys have more reasons to be upset than us. But that doesn't mean that we aren't mildly upset. If we poop the bed next year, then there'll be an issue.

Exactly. It was a travesty TXST didn't get an invite LY to *some* bowl. If only you'd have done the same thing this year, you're bowling.

As for whining, I'm certainly not doing that or calling for CJJ's head yet but I am beginning to wonder if he's "got it" as a game day coach...the answer should be clear next year and the man certainly deserves the benefit of the doubt.

Even if he doesn't come through, I'll forever be grateful for what he did to build this program from the ground up (not his first rodeo either - see Birmingham Southern) but I'm not ruling out the possibility this just may be his niche - as one of the greatest program developers from the ground up to competitiveness in CFB history. Anyone in their right minds would consider him for a similar task and he's maybe already sealed his viability as a nicely-paid consultant for young programs looking to improve and or establish. Should the above end up being the case, I say we honor him for what he's done by naming a facility (maybe even the OCS?) after him and part with him in the most respectful manner possible.

As for we USA fans, we have had some down years in some of the Oly sports but like App and GaSo, you should realize we have HIGH expectations of winning in everything we do and a long history of achievement in those sports as well. Football is no exception. No slam but it sounds like TXST has yet to establish this mindset as of yet.

(12-12-2015 02:34 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 02:16 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 01:31 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 01:12 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 01:58 AM)TheMackAttack Wrote:  I wasn't counting them out, but if Troy and GSU keep trending up and South Alabama remains a .500 team, that doesn't leave a lot of room for success.

A fair point... our current coach has yet to prove he can break .500 in "big boy football".

While I'm terribly dissapointed in our 5-7 year, it probably represents a better than average year given the losses we had to replace. That being said, it is on Coach JJ that we had so many starters to replace. His seat will start to get warm if we don't bowl next year.

I'm right there withya

Says the guys who got in a Bowl over a team with a better record.
Stop whining. You've had football 7 years.

Most schools expect their teams to make a bowl every year now. Just because Texas State's top priority is that they produce great academic results off the field, doesn't mean the rest of us share that goal.