http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arch...ts/384980/

Quote:There is a temptation to rehearse this observation—that jihadists are modern secular people, with modern political concerns, wearing medieval religious disguise—and make it fit the Islamic State. In fact, much of what the group does looks nonsensical except in light of a sincere, carefully considered commitment to returning civilization to a seventh-century legal environment, and ultimately to bringing about the apocalypse.

Hmmm

Quote:The reality is that the Islamic State is Islamic. Very Islamic. Yes, it has attracted psychopaths and adventure seekers, drawn largely from the disaffected populations of the Middle East and Europe. But the religion preached by its most ardent followers derives from coherent and even learned interpretations of Islam.

Hmmmmmm.

Quote:Zawahiri’s companion in isolation is a Jordanian cleric named Abu Muhammad al Maqdisi, 55, who has a fair claim to being al-Qaeda’s intellectual architect and the most important jihadist unknown to the average American newspaper reader. On most matters of doctrine, Maqdisi and the Islamic State agree. Both are closely identified with the jihadist wing of a branch of Sunnism called Salafism, after the Arabic al salaf al salih, the “pious forefathers.” These forefathers are the Prophet himself and his earliest adherents, whom Salafis honor and emulate as the models for all behavior, including warfare, couture, family life, even dentistry.

Hmmmmmmmm?

Quote:Denying the holiness of the Koran or the prophecies of Muhammad is straightforward apostasy. But Zarqawi and the state he spawned take the position that many other acts can remove a Muslim from Islam. These include, in certain cases, selling alcohol or drugs, wearing Western clothes or shaving one’s beard, voting in an election—even for a Muslim candidate—and being lax about calling other people apostates

Quote:Many mainstream Muslim organizations have gone so far as to say the Islamic State is, in fact, un-Islamic. It is, of course, reassuring to know that the vast majority of Muslims have zero interest in replacing Hollywood movies with public executions as evening entertainment. But Muslims who call the Islamic State un-Islamic are typically, as the Princeton scholar Bernard Haykel, the leading expert on the group’s theology, told me, “embarrassed and politically correct, with a cotton-candy view of their own religion” that neglects “what their religion has historically and legally required.” Many denials of the Islamic State’s religious nature, he said, are rooted in an “interfaith-Christian-nonsense tradition.”

Quote:According to Haykel, the ranks of the Islamic State are deeply infused with religious vigor. Koranic quotations are ubiquitous. “Even the foot soldiers spout this stuff constantly,” Haykel said. “They mug for their cameras and repeat their basic doctrines in formulaic fashion, and they do it all the time.” He regards the claim that the Islamic State has distorted the texts of Islam as preposterous, sustainable only through willful ignorance. “People want to absolve Islam,” he said. “It’s this ‘Islam is a religion of peace’ mantra. As if there is such a thing as ‘Islam’! It’s what Muslims do, and how they interpret their texts.” Those texts are shared by all Sunni Muslims, not just the Islamic State. “And these guys have just as much legitimacy as anyone else.”

Quote:Before the caliphate, “maybe 85 percent of the Sharia was absent from our lives,” Choudary told me. “These laws are in abeyance until we have khilafa”—a caliphate—“and now we have one.” Without a caliphate, for example, individual vigilantes are not obliged to amputate the hands of thieves they catch in the act. But create a caliphate, and this law, along with a huge body of other jurisprudence, suddenly awakens. In theory, all Muslims are obliged to immigrate to the territory where the caliph is applying these laws.

The f*cked part of this is that ISIS believes that Jesus will come and save them just before the end of times.

The Isis papers: leaked documents show how Isis is building its state
The manual, written last year and entitled Principles in the administration of the Islamic State, lays bare Isis’s state-building aspirations and the ways in which it has managed to set itself apart as the richest and most destabilising jihadi group of the past 50 years.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/de...tate-syria

JV Team

One more nugget:

Quote:Muslims can say that slavery is not legitimate now, and that crucifixion is wrong at this historical juncture. Many say precisely this. But they cannot condemn slavery or crucifixion outright without contradicting the Koran and the example of the Prophet. “The only principled ground that the Islamic State’s opponents could take is to say that certain core texts and traditional teachings of Islam are no longer valid,” Bernard Haykel says. That really would be an act of apostasy.

I think the false "most Muslims are peaceful and tolerant" narrative that is perpetuated by those primarily on the left is very counter-productive.

Perpetuating lies about them isn't going to fix anything.

I think it was SuperFly that posted some studies on here the other day with a bunch of percentages of Muslims who are proponents of some really archaic, violent stuff. I thought it was bad, but even I didn't think it was as bad as those numbers.

(12-09-2015 01:10 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I think the false "most Muslims are peaceful and tolerant" narrative that is perpetuated by those primarily on the left is very counter-productive.

Perpetuating lies about them isn't going to fix anything.

I think it was SuperFly that posted some studies on here the other day with a bunch of percentages of Muslims who are proponents of some really archaic, violent stuff. I thought it was bad, but even I didn't think it was as bad as those numbers.

So, there is evidence that most Muslims are not peaceful and tolerant? Can you post that please?

Thanks.

(12-09-2015 01:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 01:10 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I think the false "most Muslims are peaceful and tolerant" narrative that is perpetuated by those primarily on the left is very counter-productive.

Perpetuating lies about them isn't going to fix anything.

I think it was SuperFly that posted some studies on here the other day with a bunch of percentages of Muslims who are proponents of some really archaic, violent stuff. I thought it was bad, but even I didn't think it was as bad as those numbers.

So, there is evidence that most Muslims are not peaceful and tolerant? Can you post that please?

Thanks.

ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1...in-UK.html

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/1...2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
http://people-press.org/report/206/a-yea...r-iraq-war

YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/0...fanticide/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,...51,00.html

World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans:
(Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%)
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/p...09_rpt.pdf

Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-...hezbollah/
Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-...hezbollah/
Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-...hezbollah/

16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/arti...baar.dhtml

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/...h-islamist

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim...df#page=60
Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never).
28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/m...extremism/

Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim...df#page=60

ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities.
27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/...amist.html

Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/...h-islamist

ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/...h-islamist

Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/...h-islamist

Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/To...report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/To...report.pdf

PCPO (2014): 89% of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing rockets at Israeli civilians.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/poll-8...on-israely

Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/musl...st-groups/

BBC Radio (2015): 45% of British Muslims agree that clerics preaching violence against the West represent "mainstream Islam".
http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/bbc-radio-...slim-poll/

Palestinian Center for Political Research (2015): 74% of Palestinians support Hamas terror attacks.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/support-for...oll-shows/

Pew Research (2014): 47% of Bangladeshi Muslims says suicide bombings and violence are justified to "defend Islam". 1 in 4 believed the same in Tanzania and Egypt. 1 in 5 Muslims in the 'moderate' countries of Turkey and Malaysia.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01/conc...ddle-east/

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 19% of Muslim-Americans say that violence is justified in order to make Sharia the law in the United States (66% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/w...l-Data.pdf

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 25% of Muslim-Americans say that violence against Americans in the United States is justified as part of the "global Jihad (64% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/w...l-Data.pdf

The Sun (2015: Following Nov. 2015 attacks in Paris, 1 in 4 young Muslims in Britain (and 1 in 5 overall) said they sympathize with those who fight for ISIS.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/new...-poll.html

1. Muslims Overwhelmingly Hate Jews

French writes about a 2014 Anti-Defamation League poll of over fifty thousand people in over a hundred countries. The staggering numbers are hard to digest, especially after all of the President’s soothingly politically correct words. “A full 74% of North African and Middle Eastern residents registered anti-Semitic beliefs, including 92 percent of Iraqis, a whopping 69 percent of relatively secular Turks, and 74 percent of Saudis,” he writes. “A solid majority – 61 percent – of majority-Muslim Malays harbor anti-Semitic attitudes, while only 13 percent of neighboring majority-Buddhist Thais are anti-Jewish”

2. Hundreds of Millions of Muslims Support Killing Those Who Leave Islam

French writes, “Collectively… hundreds of millions of men and women support capital punishment for the exercise of the basic human rights of freedom of expression and free exercise of religion” across several countries. According to the Washington Post, for example, “88% of Muslims in Egypt and 62% of Muslims in Pakistan favor the death penalty for people who leave the Muslim religion.” Before you get comfortable in dismissing percentages, remember that Egypt has 80 million Muslims… of which 88% believe in the death penalty for leaving the faith.

3. Hundreds of Millions of Muslims Sympathize with Terrorists

Here’s a very slight glimmer of slightly okay news: most Muslims reject ISIS. But, “extrapolating from the populations of polled countries alone shows that roughly 50 million people express sympathy for a terrorist army that burns prisoners alive, throws gay men from buildings, and beheads political opponents. In Pakistan a horrifying 72 percent couldn’t bring themselves to express an unfavorable view of ISIS.”

And if that isn’t enough to make you want to crawl back into the bed, here are three more sobering facts:

1. In Britain, more Muslims join ISIS than join the British army.

2. In Saudi Arabia, anti-Israel terrorism is so popular that a telethon once raised $100 million to support the Intifada.

3. “Between Boko Haram, the Al-Nusra front, ISIS, Hezbollah, Hamas, al Qaeda, the Taliban, Yemeni militias, Libyan militias, and many others, the number of active jihadists numbers in the hundreds of thousands, with some estimates of more than 100,00 fighting in Syria alone,” French writes.

Non-Muslims can’t fix what’s wrong with Islam. While I’m touched by the folks over on the Muslim Channel who are delving into the hard truths and trying to come up with suitable answers, what do we do as a nation?

French ends by saying, “It is Muslims’ responsibility to reform their own faith. It is America’s responsibility to defend itself and its citizens. Neither goal is advanced by telling convenient, politically-correct lies. After fourteen years of war, can we finally tell the truth?”
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/frenchrevol...rity-myth/

According to the Washington Post, for example, “88% of Muslims in Egypt and 62% of Muslims in Pakistan favor the death penalty for people who leave the Muslim religion.”

WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?

(12-09-2015 01:35 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  According to the Washington Post, for example, “88% of Muslims in Egypt and 62% of Muslims in Pakistan favor the death penalty for people who leave the Muslim religion.”

WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?

C'mon, you know Tom's job is to carry water. Obama said it was a religion of peace - Tom will take up that mantra and convolute, obfuscate and twist all manner of evidence to take Obama's words as the whole truth. It's what he does..........

(12-09-2015 01:35 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  According to the Washington Post, for example, “88% of Muslims in Egypt and 62% of Muslims in Pakistan favor the death penalty for people who leave the Muslim religion.”

WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?

He, like most leftists want Obama re elected for a third term or even being the Supreme leader for life. This is the golden years for All Things Liberal. There will never be a better time than this again for Them.

(12-09-2015 01:34 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 01:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 01:10 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I think the false "most Muslims are peaceful and tolerant" narrative that is perpetuated by those primarily on the left is very counter-productive.

Perpetuating lies about them isn't going to fix anything.

I think it was SuperFly that posted some studies on here the other day with a bunch of percentages of Muslims who are proponents of some really archaic, violent stuff. I thought it was bad, but even I didn't think it was as bad as those numbers.

So, there is evidence that most Muslims are not peaceful and tolerant? Can you post that please?

Thanks.

ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1...in-UK.html

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/1...2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
http://people-press.org/report/206/a-yea...r-iraq-war

YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/0...fanticide/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,...51,00.html

World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans:
(Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%)
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/p...09_rpt.pdf

Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-...hezbollah/
Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-...hezbollah/
Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-...hezbollah/

16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/arti...baar.dhtml

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/...h-islamist

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim...df#page=60
Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never).
28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/m...extremism/

Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim...df#page=60

ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities.
27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/...amist.html

Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/...h-islamist

ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/...h-islamist

Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/...h-islamist

Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/To...report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/To...report.pdf

PCPO (2014): 89% of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing rockets at Israeli civilians.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/poll-8...on-israely

Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/musl...st-groups/

BBC Radio (2015): 45% of British Muslims agree that clerics preaching violence against the West represent "mainstream Islam".
http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/bbc-radio-...slim-poll/

Palestinian Center for Political Research (2015): 74% of Palestinians support Hamas terror attacks.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/support-for...oll-shows/

Pew Research (2014): 47% of Bangladeshi Muslims says suicide bombings and violence are justified to "defend Islam". 1 in 4 believed the same in Tanzania and Egypt. 1 in 5 Muslims in the 'moderate' countries of Turkey and Malaysia.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01/conc...ddle-east/

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 19% of Muslim-Americans say that violence is justified in order to make Sharia the law in the United States (66% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/w...l-Data.pdf

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 25% of Muslim-Americans say that violence against Americans in the United States is justified as part of the "global Jihad (64% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/w...l-Data.pdf

The Sun (2015: Following Nov. 2015 attacks in Paris, 1 in 4 young Muslims in Britain (and 1 in 5 overall) said they sympathize with those who fight for ISIS.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/new...-poll.html

1. Muslims Overwhelmingly Hate Jews

French writes about a 2014 Anti-Defamation League poll of over fifty thousand people in over a hundred countries. The staggering numbers are hard to digest, especially after all of the President’s soothingly politically correct words. “A full 74% of North African and Middle Eastern residents registered anti-Semitic beliefs, including 92 percent of Iraqis, a whopping 69 percent of relatively secular Turks, and 74 percent of Saudis,” he writes. “A solid majority – 61 percent – of majority-Muslim Malays harbor anti-Semitic attitudes, while only 13 percent of neighboring majority-Buddhist Thais are anti-Jewish”

2. Hundreds of Millions of Muslims Support Killing Those Who Leave Islam

French writes, “Collectively… hundreds of millions of men and women support capital punishment for the exercise of the basic human rights of freedom of expression and free exercise of religion” across several countries. According to the Washington Post, for example, “88% of Muslims in Egypt and 62% of Muslims in Pakistan favor the death penalty for people who leave the Muslim religion.” Before you get comfortable in dismissing percentages, remember that Egypt has 80 million Muslims… of which 88% believe in the death penalty for leaving the faith.

3. Hundreds of Millions of Muslims Sympathize with Terrorists

Here’s a very slight glimmer of slightly okay news: most Muslims reject ISIS. But, “extrapolating from the populations of polled countries alone shows that roughly 50 million people express sympathy for a terrorist army that burns prisoners alive, throws gay men from buildings, and beheads political opponents. In Pakistan a horrifying 72 percent couldn’t bring themselves to express an unfavorable view of ISIS.”

And if that isn’t enough to make you want to crawl back into the bed, here are three more sobering facts:

1. In Britain, more Muslims join ISIS than join the British army.

2. In Saudi Arabia, anti-Israel terrorism is so popular that a telethon once raised $100 million to support the Intifada.

3. “Between Boko Haram, the Al-Nusra front, ISIS, Hezbollah, Hamas, al Qaeda, the Taliban, Yemeni militias, Libyan militias, and many others, the number of active jihadists numbers in the hundreds of thousands, with some estimates of more than 100,00 fighting in Syria alone,” French writes.

Non-Muslims can’t fix what’s wrong with Islam. While I’m touched by the folks over on the Muslim Channel who are delving into the hard truths and trying to come up with suitable answers, what do we do as a nation?

French ends by saying, “It is Muslims’ responsibility to reform their own faith. It is America’s responsibility to defend itself and its citizens. Neither goal is advanced by telling convenient, politically-correct lies. After fourteen years of war, can we finally tell the truth?”
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/frenchrevol...rity-myth/

I'll take that as a no. Especially since the links I highlighted...the same bull**** poll quoted by the new Fascist Trump...doesn't even produce a valid web page anymore!

(12-09-2015 02:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 01:34 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 01:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 01:10 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I think the false "most Muslims are peaceful and tolerant" narrative that is perpetuated by those primarily on the left is very counter-productive.

Perpetuating lies about them isn't going to fix anything.

I think it was SuperFly that posted some studies on here the other day with a bunch of percentages of Muslims who are proponents of some really archaic, violent stuff. I thought it was bad, but even I didn't think it was as bad as those numbers.

So, there is evidence that most Muslims are not peaceful and tolerant? Can you post that please?

Thanks.

ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1...in-UK.html

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/1...2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
http://people-press.org/report/206/a-yea...r-iraq-war

YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/0...fanticide/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,...51,00.html

World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans:
(Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%)
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/p...09_rpt.pdf

Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-...hezbollah/
Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-...hezbollah/
Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-...hezbollah/

16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/arti...baar.dhtml

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/...h-islamist

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim...df#page=60
Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never).
28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/m...extremism/

Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim...df#page=60

ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities.
27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/...amist.html

Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/...h-islamist

ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/...h-islamist

Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/...h-islamist

Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/To...report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/To...report.pdf

PCPO (2014): 89% of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing rockets at Israeli civilians.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/poll-8...on-israely

Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/musl...st-groups/

BBC Radio (2015): 45% of British Muslims agree that clerics preaching violence against the West represent "mainstream Islam".
http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/bbc-radio-...slim-poll/

Palestinian Center for Political Research (2015): 74% of Palestinians support Hamas terror attacks.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/support-for...oll-shows/

Pew Research (2014): 47% of Bangladeshi Muslims says suicide bombings and violence are justified to "defend Islam". 1 in 4 believed the same in Tanzania and Egypt. 1 in 5 Muslims in the 'moderate' countries of Turkey and Malaysia.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01/conc...ddle-east/

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 19% of Muslim-Americans say that violence is justified in order to make Sharia the law in the United States (66% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/w...l-Data.pdf

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 25% of Muslim-Americans say that violence against Americans in the United States is justified as part of the "global Jihad (64% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/w...l-Data.pdf

The Sun (2015: Following Nov. 2015 attacks in Paris, 1 in 4 young Muslims in Britain (and 1 in 5 overall) said they sympathize with those who fight for ISIS.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/new...-poll.html

1. Muslims Overwhelmingly Hate Jews

French writes about a 2014 Anti-Defamation League poll of over fifty thousand people in over a hundred countries. The staggering numbers are hard to digest, especially after all of the President’s soothingly politically correct words. “A full 74% of North African and Middle Eastern residents registered anti-Semitic beliefs, including 92 percent of Iraqis, a whopping 69 percent of relatively secular Turks, and 74 percent of Saudis,” he writes. “A solid majority – 61 percent – of majority-Muslim Malays harbor anti-Semitic attitudes, while only 13 percent of neighboring majority-Buddhist Thais are anti-Jewish”

2. Hundreds of Millions of Muslims Support Killing Those Who Leave Islam

French writes, “Collectively… hundreds of millions of men and women support capital punishment for the exercise of the basic human rights of freedom of expression and free exercise of religion” across several countries. According to the Washington Post, for example, “88% of Muslims in Egypt and 62% of Muslims in Pakistan favor the death penalty for people who leave the Muslim religion.” Before you get comfortable in dismissing percentages, remember that Egypt has 80 million Muslims… of which 88% believe in the death penalty for leaving the faith.

3. Hundreds of Millions of Muslims Sympathize with Terrorists

Here’s a very slight glimmer of slightly okay news: most Muslims reject ISIS. But, “extrapolating from the populations of polled countries alone shows that roughly 50 million people express sympathy for a terrorist army that burns prisoners alive, throws gay men from buildings, and beheads political opponents. In Pakistan a horrifying 72 percent couldn’t bring themselves to express an unfavorable view of ISIS.”

And if that isn’t enough to make you want to crawl back into the bed, here are three more sobering facts:

1. In Britain, more Muslims join ISIS than join the British army.

2. In Saudi Arabia, anti-Israel terrorism is so popular that a telethon once raised $100 million to support the Intifada.

3. “Between Boko Haram, the Al-Nusra front, ISIS, Hezbollah, Hamas, al Qaeda, the Taliban, Yemeni militias, Libyan militias, and many others, the number of active jihadists numbers in the hundreds of thousands, with some estimates of more than 100,00 fighting in Syria alone,” French writes.

Non-Muslims can’t fix what’s wrong with Islam. While I’m touched by the folks over on the Muslim Channel who are delving into the hard truths and trying to come up with suitable answers, what do we do as a nation?

French ends by saying, “It is Muslims’ responsibility to reform their own faith. It is America’s responsibility to defend itself and its citizens. Neither goal is advanced by telling convenient, politically-correct lies. After fourteen years of war, can we finally tell the truth?”
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/frenchrevol...rity-myth/

I'll take that as a no. Especially since the links I highlighted...the same bull**** poll quoted by the new Fascist Trump...doesn't even produce a valid web page anymore!

You highlighted two links. What about the other dozen polls he cited?

There's like 1.6 billion Muslims world-wide. Finding a few places where around 50% agree on something hardly equates to "most Muslims" world over not being peaceful and tolerant as was claimed to be factual. And in the vast majority of those polls he cited, the results came nowhere near 50%.

Face it, while yes there are likely more radicals claiming to be followers of Islam and wanting to inflict death and violence than in any other religion, there just is no proof to conclude that it's most of them.

(12-09-2015 04:07 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  There's like 1.6 billion Muslims world-wide. Finding a few places where around 50% agree on something hardly equates to "most Muslims" world over not being peaceful and tolerant as was claimed to be factual. And in the vast majority of those polls he cited, the results came nowhere near 50%.

Face it, while yes there are likely more radicals claiming to be followers of Islam and wanting to inflict death and violence than in any other religion, there just is no proof to conclude that it's most of them.

So what percentage of anti-western, jihadist Muslims would you find concerning?

(12-09-2015 04:09 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 04:07 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  There's like 1.6 billion Muslims world-wide. Finding a few places where around 50% agree on something hardly equates to "most Muslims" world over not being peaceful and tolerant as was claimed to be factual. And in the vast majority of those polls he cited, the results came nowhere near 50%.

Face it, while yes there are likely more radicals claiming to be followers of Islam and wanting to inflict death and violence than in any other religion, there just is no proof to conclude that it's most of them.

So what percentage of anti-western, jihadist Muslims would you find concerning?

100.

(12-09-2015 04:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 04:09 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 04:07 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  There's like 1.6 billion Muslims world-wide. Finding a few places where around 50% agree on something hardly equates to "most Muslims" world over not being peaceful and tolerant as was claimed to be factual. And in the vast majority of those polls he cited, the results came nowhere near 50%.

Face it, while yes there are likely more radicals claiming to be followers of Islam and wanting to inflict death and violence than in any other religion, there just is no proof to conclude that it's most of them.

So what percentage of anti-western, jihadist Muslims would you find concerning?

100.

What percentage of Muslims that support ISIS, Al-Qaeda, suicide bombings, preaching violence against the west, terrorism, etc., would you find concerning?

(12-09-2015 04:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 04:16 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  So what percentage of anti-western, jihadist Muslims would you find concerning?

100.

Well, OK.

If you could be convinced that 100% of Muslims are literally out for blood, what do you suggest the civilized world do to address this concern?

(12-09-2015 04:23 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 04:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 04:09 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 04:07 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  There's like 1.6 billion Muslims world-wide. Finding a few places where around 50% agree on something hardly equates to "most Muslims" world over not being peaceful and tolerant as was claimed to be factual. And in the vast majority of those polls he cited, the results came nowhere near 50%.

Face it, while yes there are likely more radicals claiming to be followers of Islam and wanting to inflict death and violence than in any other religion, there just is no proof to conclude that it's most of them.

So what percentage of anti-western, jihadist Muslims would you find concerning?

100.

What percentage of Muslims that support ISIS, Al-Qaeda, suicide bombings, preaching violence against the west, terrorism, etc., would you find concerning?

Again 100.

Not sure why you're basically asking what percentage of terrorists I find concerning, but hey...whatevs.

Now, if you're actually asking what percentage of Muslims support those groups?, I don't have the first clue. There's really no way to honestly assess it.

(12-09-2015 04:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Now, if you're actually asking what percentage of Muslims support those groups?, I don't have the first clue. There's really no way to honestly assess it.

So you completely disregard the polls above?

https://cofda.wordpress.com/2013/11/09/u...-and-jews/

That guy is a professor in TN. That story is from 2013. He tried to walk back his statements, but it is what it is