(12-04-2015 05:18 PM)DFWMINER Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 04:53 PM)Kronke Wrote:  The state dept just trotted out some mouth piece that said Tafsheen Malik was vetted, they stand by their process, and they remain committed to protecting the homeland.

Just empty words. Such a joke.

Same folks vetting the refugees coming in.

Under a COMPLETELY different process and criteria. Move along.

(12-04-2015 06:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  My theory. He was part of a cell that was planning something bigger. He got pissed off at somebody in the office and went off the ranch. Just a guess. The rest of his cell is probably mega-pissed.

Interesting...that would make it partially work place violence then.

It's certainly possible.

I just wish both sides would wait more than 5 minutes before trying to stake a position on what actually happened and why.

(12-07-2015 10:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 05:18 PM)DFWMINER Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 04:53 PM)Kronke Wrote:  The state dept just trotted out some mouth piece that said Tafsheen Malik was vetted, they stand by their process, and they remain committed to protecting the homeland.

Just empty words. Such a joke.

Same folks vetting the refugees coming in.

Under a COMPLETELY different process and criteria. Move along.

You mean like the TSA no fly list and the 'no gun' list?

WHy is the government using this tragedy to focus on correcting something that in no way had anything to do with it (NFL and Guns) rather than focusing on correcting something that would (Immigrant vetting)?

The left would like to focus on the guns that they bought from a neighbor, and there is some validity there if they had not been allowed to otherwise buy guns, but the reality is that had they tried to buy them from a FFL dealer instead, they would have been allowed to, just as they were allowed to buy the ones they bought from dealers.

The only difference is that now the neighbor would be culpable, but it wouldn't stop them from legally, much less illegally getting guns... would it.

(12-07-2015 02:08 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 05:18 PM)DFWMINER Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 04:53 PM)Kronke Wrote:  The state dept just trotted out some mouth piece that said Tafsheen Malik was vetted, they stand by their process, and they remain committed to protecting the homeland.

Just empty words. Such a joke.

Same folks vetting the refugees coming in.

Under a COMPLETELY different process and criteria. Move along.

You mean like the TSA no fly list and the 'no gun' list?

WHy is the government using this tragedy to focus on correcting something that in no way had anything to do with it (NFL and Guns) rather than focusing on correcting something that would (Immigrant vetting)?

The left would like to focus on the guns that they bought from a neighbor, and there is some validity there if they had not been allowed to otherwise buy guns, but the reality is that had they tried to buy them from a FFL dealer instead, they would have been allowed to, just as they were allowed to buy the ones they bought from dealers.

The only difference is that now the neighbor would be culpable, but it wouldn't stop them from legally, much less illegally getting guns... would it.

The govt did everything it could to prevent calling this a terrorist act because doing so detracts from the govt main concern which is gun control. BTW, I've read that gun sales are rather rapid along the west coast since the attack.

(12-07-2015 10:37 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 06:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  My theory. He was part of a cell that was planning something bigger. He got pissed off at somebody in the office and went off the ranch. Just a guess. The rest of his cell is probably mega-pissed.

Interesting...that would make it partially work place violence then.

It's certainly possible.

I just wish both sides would wait more than 5 minutes before trying to stake a position on what actually happened and why.

(12-07-2015 10:37 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 06:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  My theory. He was part of a cell that was planning something bigger. He got pissed off at somebody in the office and went off the ranch. Just a guess. The rest of his cell is probably mega-pissed.

Interesting...that would make it partially work place violence then.

It's certainly possible.

I just wish both sides would wait more than 5 minutes before trying to stake a position on what actually happened and why.

Give me a break, Tom... The overwhelming majority of us all waited quite a very long time before staking a position on what actually happened and why...

(12-07-2015 03:33 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:37 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 06:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  My theory. He was part of a cell that was planning something bigger. He got pissed off at somebody in the office and went off the ranch. Just a guess. The rest of his cell is probably mega-pissed.

Interesting...that would make it partially work place violence then.

It's certainly possible.

I just wish both sides would wait more than 5 minutes before trying to stake a position on what actually happened and why.

Give me a break, Tom... The overwhelming majority of us all waited quite a very long time before staking a position on what actually happened and why...

And he jumped right back in to water carrying mode based on a theory. Hence the mega facepalm. The facts slap him in the face and he still grasps to the alternative.

(12-07-2015 03:33 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:37 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 06:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  My theory. He was part of a cell that was planning something bigger. He got pissed off at somebody in the office and went off the ranch. Just a guess. The rest of his cell is probably mega-pissed.

Interesting...that would make it partially work place violence then.

It's certainly possible.

I just wish both sides would wait more than 5 minutes before trying to stake a position on what actually happened and why.

Give me a break, Tom... The overwhelming majority of us all waited quite a very long time before staking a position on what actually happened and why...

News Media's investigation of Malik in the past five days have produced enough Data to show her K-1 Visa Application shouldn't have been approved in the first place.

(12-07-2015 10:37 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 06:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  My theory. He was part of a cell that was planning something bigger. He got pissed off at somebody in the office and went off the ranch. Just a guess. The rest of his cell is probably mega-pissed.

Interesting...that would make it partially work place violence then.

It's certainly possible.

I just wish both sides would wait more than 5 minutes before trying to stake a position on what actually happened and why.

Of course it was "partially" work place violence, since the guy started the rampage with his workplace. That does not make it any less radical Islamic terrorism.

He had to have had other targets in mind and that is why he had additional bombs and ammo that they kept behind.

(12-07-2015 10:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 05:18 PM)DFWMINER Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 04:53 PM)Kronke Wrote:  The state dept just trotted out some mouth piece that said Tafsheen Malik was vetted, they stand by their process, and they remain committed to protecting the homeland.

Just empty words. Such a joke.

Same folks vetting the refugees coming in.

Under a COMPLETELY different process and criteria. Move along.

So you agree it is the same incompetent people that failed on this one.

(12-07-2015 03:45 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:33 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:37 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 06:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  My theory. He was part of a cell that was planning something bigger. He got pissed off at somebody in the office and went off the ranch. Just a guess. The rest of his cell is probably mega-pissed.

Interesting...that would make it partially work place violence then.

It's certainly possible.

I just wish both sides would wait more than 5 minutes before trying to stake a position on what actually happened and why.

Give me a break, Tom... The overwhelming majority of us all waited quite a very long time before staking a position on what actually happened and why...

And he jumped right back in to water carrying mode based on a theory. Hence the mega facepalm. The facts slap him in the face and he still grasps to the alternative.

It's what he does best


He needs to change his avatar to this

Feds very interested in Farook's Mosque based upon Transponder activity of surveilence aircraft.

http://theaviationist.com/2015/12/05/fbi...no-attack/

WMD,

I find you a thoughtful, knowledgable, and well meaning conservative. Do you have any ideas of what we could possibly do to keep these weapons out of the crazies hands? I'm interested in your opinion.

(12-07-2015 03:33 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:37 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 06:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  My theory. He was part of a cell that was planning something bigger. He got pissed off at somebody in the office and went off the ranch. Just a guess. The rest of his cell is probably mega-pissed.

Interesting...that would make it partially work place violence then.

It's certainly possible.

I just wish both sides would wait more than 5 minutes before trying to stake a position on what actually happened and why.

Give me a break, Tom... The overwhelming majority of us all waited quite a very long time before staking a position on what actually happened and why...

And a lot didn't. Go back to page 1 and starting reading.

(12-07-2015 04:17 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:45 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:33 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:37 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 06:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  My theory. He was part of a cell that was planning something bigger. He got pissed off at somebody in the office and went off the ranch. Just a guess. The rest of his cell is probably mega-pissed.

Interesting...that would make it partially work place violence then.

It's certainly possible.

I just wish both sides would wait more than 5 minutes before trying to stake a position on what actually happened and why.

Give me a break, Tom... The overwhelming majority of us all waited quite a very long time before staking a position on what actually happened and why...

And he jumped right back in to water carrying mode based on a theory. Hence the mega facepalm. The facts slap him in the face and he still grasps to the alternative.

It's what he does best


He needs to change his avatar to this

And you need to STFU, stop worrying about me, and focus on the debate. It's supposed to be the ******* rule here!

(12-07-2015 06:03 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  WMD,

I find you a thoughtful, knowledgable, and well meaning conservative. Do you have any ideas of what we could possibly do to keep these weapons out of the crazies hands? I'm interested in your opinion.

How do you keep automobiles from being driven by drunks?

(12-07-2015 04:06 PM)DFWMINER Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 05:18 PM)DFWMINER Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 04:53 PM)Kronke Wrote:  The state dept just trotted out some mouth piece that said Tafsheen Malik was vetted, they stand by their process, and they remain committed to protecting the homeland.

Just empty words. Such a joke.

Same folks vetting the refugees coming in.

Under a COMPLETELY different process and criteria. Move along.

So you agree it is the same incompetent people that failed on this one.

Nope. It's not the same people. Refugees go through a totally different and much more stringent process.

And yes the Visa program needs lots of work. I've said as much. Especially since a lot of the folks who are going to cause problems like this are already here.

(12-07-2015 03:45 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:33 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:37 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 06:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  My theory. He was part of a cell that was planning something bigger. He got pissed off at somebody in the office and went off the ranch. Just a guess. The rest of his cell is probably mega-pissed.

Interesting...that would make it partially work place violence then.

It's certainly possible.

I just wish both sides would wait more than 5 minutes before trying to stake a position on what actually happened and why.

Give me a break, Tom... The overwhelming majority of us all waited quite a very long time before staking a position on what actually happened and why...

And he jumped right back in to water carrying mode based on a theory. Hence the mega facepalm. The facts slap him in the face and he still grasps to the alternative.

Stop assuming stuff about me just because I'm liberal. You're wrong in your assumptions here.

(12-07-2015 06:03 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  WMD,

I find you a thoughtful, knowledgable, and well meaning conservative. Do you have any ideas of what we could possibly do to keep these weapons out of the crazies hands? I'm interested in your opinion.

What weapons? Anyone trained at an ISIS or AQ Bomb Camp can make pretty sophisticated explosive devices out of materials easily obtained at Home Depot.

Worried about firearms? Even if you banned Domestic transfers and transactions of "assault weapons" you can smuggle them across the Mexican Border easily.

Drinks have that machine they have to breathe in.