(12-04-2015 04:53 PM)Kronke Wrote:  The state dept just trotted out some mouth piece that said Tafsheen Malik was vetted, they stand by their process, and they remain committed to protecting the homeland.

Just empty words. Such a joke.

Same folks vetting the refugees coming in.

(12-04-2015 12:24 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Need to find those Well dressed Muslims that the Neighbor reported in His interview earlier that They made Multiple visits to that house in the week before . Have a sneaky suspicion, They are the Money behind this.

They would be extremely easy to find if the authorities would simply go to the local Mosque.

(12-04-2015 01:12 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 12:08 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Damn that workplace violence....

"The mysterious Pakistani woman who with her husband gunned down 14 Wednesday at a Southern California holiday party pledged her allegiance to ISIS before the massacre, according to a government source, in what appears to be concrete evidence that the rampage was at least inspired,if not directed, by the terrorist group."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/04/soc...cmp=hpbt1#

The Rightist media is amusing.

ISIS has still not taken credit for it.

So?

That all came out around the same time. The go pro is what made me go hmmmmm. Even with that we have some crazies out there. The whole etory isn't being told here. More will come out. If the rightards want to keep bashing my original position find the time to go hump somebody else's leg because I don't have the time nor the inclination. Its obvious this thing goes a lot deeper but still a ton unanswered.


Now would it be nice if we could go back into a data bank and know who they talked to and why? Let's discuss that.

It confounds me that anyone has a problem with keeping tabs on and listening in on OUR ENEMIES. And conflate that with spying on you and me.

(12-04-2015 05:17 PM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 04:49 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  What made me rethink my position was the go pro cameras, but I've only seen that story on NesMax like sites. Anyone read that on a credible site.

That's what made you rethink them your position? Not the pipe bombs. Not all the ammunition. Not the body armor The freakin GoPro cameras?!? Good Lord.

The destroyed (tried) and deleted all electronic devices and accounts

How can anyone not think this was all planned

What still bothers me is why they hit who they knew. A developmentally disabled place? It's such a soft target it's almost embarrassingly soft. This couldn't have been the supposed target. It couldn't have been. He got in an argument and they unleashed hell at a Christmas party that was probably meant for another target.

It's been the lead story on every US news broadcast for 51 straight hours. Evidently it was quite the effective target.

And with the amount of additional ammo and additional pipe bombs I doubt the party was the only target. They just got caught before they could pull another one off.

No way ISiS funded a secret soft cell to shoot Santa and developmentally disabled workers. You don't armor up the way they did to shoot Santa. The guy was pissed at somebody there and it was personal. He baited and switched his money men. That's my guess.

My theory. He was part of a cell that was planning something bigger. He got pissed off at somebody in the office and went off the ranch. Just a guess. The rest of his cell is probably mega-pissed.

(12-04-2015 05:58 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  What still bothers me is why they hit who they knew. A developmentally disabled place? It's such a soft target it's almost embarrassingly soft. This couldn't have been the supposed target. It couldn't have been. He got in an argument and they unleashed hell at a Christmas party that was probably meant for another target.

Well, he was a Aries. Ya know, impulsive.

(12-04-2015 06:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  My theory. He was part of a cell that was planning something bigger. He got pissed off at somebody in the office and went off the ranch. Just a guess. The rest of his cell is probably mega-pissed.

Looking at the weapons and their optics it's obvious they had minimal firearms training. 120 Rounds expended and kill only 14. It was a shoot and spray. Foregrips on weapons and couldn't even control the muzzle rise on semi-auto. They were a logistics cell. Only been there 6 months so it's a fresh address for UPS and Fed Ex for deliveries

(12-04-2015 08:03 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 06:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  My theory. He was part of a cell that was planning something bigger. He got pissed off at somebody in the office and went off the ranch. Just a guess. The rest of his cell is probably mega-pissed.

Looking at the weapons and their optics it's obvious they had minimal firearms training. 120 Rounds expended and kill only 14. It was a shoot and spray. Foregrips on weapons and couldn't even control the muzzle rise on semi-auto. They were a logistics cell. Only been there 6 months so it's a fresh address for UPS and Fed Ex for deliveries

Agree. I don't think he was supposed to conduct any ops, certainly not alone. But he got pissed at somebody at work and went off the reservation. If they actually recover any data off the phones and PCs and other stuff, this could be huge.

(12-04-2015 05:10 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 04:26 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 01:34 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 01:31 PM)Kronke Wrote:  MSM is claiming they were "well financed" based on the fact that the $600 rifles had $100 optics and $5 foregrips.

Sheesh.

Of Course They were. Again those Well dressed Visitors They had are the Clue.

Yep. This is gonna get deep and at the same time rather embarrassing for those that are supposed to be on the lookout for this crap.

They had thousands in guns, ammo, whatever else. Yet lived in a crappy little apartment but drove a relatively new black Lexus 550 or something like that.

There's money behind this, just as there was behind 9/11. They're getting phone records and recovered cell phones from a nearby garbage can or whatever aingnd are finding all kinds of receipts, records, data, whatever.

This is gonna be a lot more than some couple gone rogue.

That's very possible, but I doubt the "well dressed men" were paying to snuff a county employee holiday bash. Still think there's a good chance these two went rogue and hit a personal target instead of the intended one; the return to the same neighborhood a couple of hours later is very strange. Would not be surprised if the wife is the key here and the husband the tag-along.

Whatever the story, there's a lot yet to be told.

Then I'm not sure you understand what the current state of terrorism is. Al Queda was all about the "splash". This current crop of home grown, mom and pop shop, kill them where they are jihadi's are gonna do exactly what most of us fear the most.

What's next?

Exactly.

You don't know. I don't know. It's abundantly clear our benevolent federal gubment doesn't know. They've whiffed on these two a-holes, the Boston bomber fucktards and who knows what else.

Course it's the ages old axiom, we only have to be right 100% of the time, these radical islamic asssholes only have to right once.

Then, you have terrorism. Terrorizing the general public. That's the goal, short term anyway.

(12-04-2015 06:07 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  No way ISiS funded a secret soft cell to shoot Santa and developmentally disabled workers. You don't armor up the way they did to shoot Santa. The guy was pissed at somebody there and it was personal. He baited and switched his money men. That's my guess.

Have you even been paying attention to this?

It was a County meeting, morphing into a Christmas party. These asssholes didn't touch a one of the consumers at that center. Only the county employees that, he knew would be unarmed, he knew would be assembled altogether, that he knew would be there til "time certain".

Sitting ducks, and not a one security guard or anyone else anywhere to be found.
I'd bet in the rest of the buildings/grounds there is security of some sort, so of course the cowards always avoid that.

Soft targets indeed. Maximum damage, maximum terror.

Who's going to the next office Christmas party? Unarmed? Or unwary?

(12-04-2015 08:41 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 08:03 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 06:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  My theory. He was part of a cell that was planning something bigger. He got pissed off at somebody in the office and went off the ranch. Just a guess. The rest of his cell is probably mega-pissed.

Looking at the weapons and their optics it's obvious they had minimal firearms training. 120 Rounds expended and kill only 14. It was a shoot and spray. Foregrips on weapons and couldn't even control the muzzle rise on semi-auto. They were a logistics cell. Only been there 6 months so it's a fresh address for UPS and Fed Ex for deliveries

Agree. I don't think he was supposed to conduct any ops, certainly not alone. But he got pissed at somebody at work and went off the reservation. If they actually recover any data off the phones and PCs and other stuff, this could be huge.

Metadata logs could be useful unless they were using multiple burner phones. The AR's were registered to a third party. So let's see that history.

You know all the late hours house visitors have headed to the Hills already.

(12-04-2015 10:17 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  You know all the late hours house visitors have headed to the Hills already.

Oh, I'm sure they are to the extent they can. And they're probably all pretty pissed at him for blowing their cover.

One of the response to terrorism conferences I attended not long before I retired one of the speakers was retired DIA. He said that he was among many who felt that the next big terror attack wasn't going to be a WTC type attack but in a smaller city against a non-traditional target because there was a greater chance of the terrorist having success due to us finally getting with the program on security. He was talking more along the lines of shopping malls/mass transit/etc. but honestly this attack would fit the bill as well. Makes sense if you think about it.....while San Bernardino isn't a small city by any means they do not have the public safety resources of a Los Angeles so you have a better chance of getting away with it.

IMO this attack might not have been the primary target, but it was a planned attack as an attempt to divert resources to that scene then hit somewhere else in the region, possibly multiple hit and run attacks. They just got caught before phase two started.

And if you think about it that makes sense. You make an attack at a huge public venue or event and people are upset but not directly affected. This is different because everybody goes to work. This could happen to almost anybody. I know both with the FD we had huge gatherings like this at out training facility and in other county facilities with zero security unless it was at the Sheriff's Dept, and that was only because we had to walk past the Desk Sgt. It's pretty much the same way when I go to bid meetings now.

Terrorism isn't about the physical damage, that's just a bonus. It's the mental and emotional damage that's the goal.

(12-04-2015 08:54 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 05:10 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 04:26 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 01:34 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 01:31 PM)Kronke Wrote:  MSM is claiming they were "well financed" based on the fact that the $600 rifles had $100 optics and $5 foregrips.

Sheesh.

Of Course They were. Again those Well dressed Visitors They had are the Clue.

Yep. This is gonna get deep and at the same time rather embarrassing for those that are supposed to be on the lookout for this crap.

They had thousands in guns, ammo, whatever else. Yet lived in a crappy little apartment but drove a relatively new black Lexus 550 or something like that.

There's money behind this, just as there was behind 9/11. They're getting phone records and recovered cell phones from a nearby garbage can or whatever aingnd are finding all kinds of receipts, records, data, whatever.

This is gonna be a lot more than some couple gone rogue.

That's very possible, but I doubt the "well dressed men" were paying to snuff a county employee holiday bash. Still think there's a good chance these two went rogue and hit a personal target instead of the intended one; the return to the same neighborhood a couple of hours later is very strange. Would not be surprised if the wife is the key here and the husband the tag-along.

Whatever the story, there's a lot yet to be told.

Then I'm not sure you understand what the current state of terrorism is. Al Queda was all about the "splash". This current crop of home grown, mom and pop shop, kill them where they are jihadi's are gonna do exactly what most of us fear the most.

What's next?

Exactly.

You don't know. I don't know. It's abundantly clear our benevolent federal gubment doesn't know. They've whiffed on these two a-holes, the Boston bomber fucktards and who knows what else.

Course it's the ages old axiom, we only have to be right 100% of the time, these radical islamic asssholes only have to right once.

Then, you have terrorism. Terrorizing the general public. That's the goal, short term anyway.

He's a Muslim sympathizer.

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(12-05-2015 12:14 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 08:54 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 05:10 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 04:26 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 01:34 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Of Course They were. Again those Well dressed Visitors They had are the Clue.

Yep. This is gonna get deep and at the same time rather embarrassing for those that are supposed to be on the lookout for this crap.

They had thousands in guns, ammo, whatever else. Yet lived in a crappy little apartment but drove a relatively new black Lexus 550 or something like that.

There's money behind this, just as there was behind 9/11. They're getting phone records and recovered cell phones from a nearby garbage can or whatever aingnd are finding all kinds of receipts, records, data, whatever.

This is gonna be a lot more than some couple gone rogue.

That's very possible, but I doubt the "well dressed men" were paying to snuff a county employee holiday bash. Still think there's a good chance these two went rogue and hit a personal target instead of the intended one; the return to the same neighborhood a couple of hours later is very strange. Would not be surprised if the wife is the key here and the husband the tag-along.

Whatever the story, there's a lot yet to be told.

Then I'm not sure you understand what the current state of terrorism is. Al Queda was all about the "splash". This current crop of home grown, mom and pop shop, kill them where they are jihadi's are gonna do exactly what most of us fear the most.

What's next?

Exactly.

You don't know. I don't know. It's abundantly clear our benevolent federal gubment doesn't know. They've whiffed on these two a-holes, the Boston bomber fucktards and who knows what else.

Course it's the ages old axiom, we only have to be right 100% of the time, these radical islamic asssholes only have to right once.

Then, you have terrorism. Terrorizing the general public. That's the goal, short term anyway.

He's a Muslim sympathizer.

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