(12-07-2015 10:31 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 09:59 AM)Orange County Owl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 09:52 AM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  ABB posters would've been happy ...

That's a really cute acronym.

Of course, no one has ever advocated replacing Bailiff without a concrete plan to significantly increase coaching salaries (HC and assistants) and put a concrete plan together to ensure that we maximize the probability that we bring in a coach who can take us to the next level.

But whatever, right?

the acronym is not quite accurate, but it is a handy way to identify the group that wants bailiff gone and will point out or invent anything to bolster their argument.

A few weeks back I posted here that the plan seemed to be:

Step one: fire Bailiff

Nobody came up with much a plan for step two and beyond, other than we can trust JK to find us a great coach because he did so well on basketball. There seems to be some cooling on that now.

I have been a advocate of the idea that we could be worse off, and I would really like to see a plan that minimizes that risk. All I get from the ABB crowd is that we can't be worse off and so we must step off the cliff. Not the best plan in my opinion.

But go ahead, let's hear the plan.

This is just plain false. First of all, counting on the AD to find a replacement is the right course of action - that's his job and that is a plan. Second, since that didn't satisfy you, some posters suggested some names.

(12-07-2015 09:25 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 12:03 AM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  

(12-06-2015 07:41 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(12-06-2015 07:11 PM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  

You guys would argue if someone said the sun set in the west.

All I said was ...

thanks guys, why stop there, buy a billboard. ...

Honestly, some of you don't read the content of the post or think through what your typing. I'd swear you look to see who posted and immediately start to argue based on the name.

Nice rant, Rick, ...

Trust me, your repetitive posts are as grating to me and others as mine are to you.

After what seems like 17 overtime periods, maybe y'all could consider calling this contest a draw/tie and moving on?

(12-07-2015 10:35 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:31 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 09:59 AM)Orange County Owl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 09:52 AM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  ABB posters would've been happy ...

That's a really cute acronym.

Of course, no one has ever advocated replacing Bailiff without a concrete plan to significantly increase coaching salaries (HC and assistants) and put a concrete plan together to ensure that we maximize the probability that we bring in a coach who can take us to the next level.

But whatever, right?

the acronym is not quite accurate, but it is a handy way to identify the group that wants bailiff gone and will point out or invent anything to bolster their argument.

A few weeks back I posted here that the plan seemed to be:

Step one: fire Bailiff

Nobody came up with much a plan for step two and beyond, other than we can trust JK to find us a great coach because he did so well on basketball. There seems to be some cooling on that now.

I have been a advocate of the idea that we could be worse off, and I would really like to see a plan that minimizes that risk. All I get from the ABB crowd is that we can't be worse off and so we must step off the cliff. Not the best plan in my opinion.

But go ahead, let's hear the plan.

This is just plain false. First of all, counting on the AD to find a replacement is the right course of action - that's his job and that is a plan. Second, since that didn't satisfy you, some posters suggested some names.

I have long advocated leaving it in the hands of the AD. That is where it is, and he has opted to retain bailiff, and now his star is waning. Apparently he's right until he fails to do what one faction wants. Then he becomes the AD of "low expectations".

As for names, they don't tell me much beyond that somebody thinks they will be better than bailiff.

I lived through the times between Neely and Goldsmith. It seemed to be a bunch of trying this one, firing him, trying that one, firing him, and so forth. I hope the plan is more than just starting that process again. We don't have the 25 or so years to try 7 or 8 potential geniuses before we get to the Goldsmith. so, yeah, I want more assurances than just somebody else will be better. Ironically, it seems my higher standards for a plan have put me at odds with the body of fans.

(12-07-2015 10:50 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:35 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:31 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 09:59 AM)Orange County Owl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 09:52 AM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  ABB posters would've been happy ...

That's a really cute acronym.

Of course, no one has ever advocated replacing Bailiff without a concrete plan to significantly increase coaching salaries (HC and assistants) and put a concrete plan together to ensure that we maximize the probability that we bring in a coach who can take us to the next level.

But whatever, right?

the acronym is not quite accurate, but it is a handy way to identify the group that wants bailiff gone and will point out or invent anything to bolster their argument.

A few weeks back I posted here that the plan seemed to be:

Step one: fire Bailiff

Nobody came up with much a plan for step two and beyond, other than we can trust JK to find us a great coach because he did so well on basketball. There seems to be some cooling on that now.

I have been a advocate of the idea that we could be worse off, and I would really like to see a plan that minimizes that risk. All I get from the ABB crowd is that we can't be worse off and so we must step off the cliff. Not the best plan in my opinion.

But go ahead, let's hear the plan.

This is just plain false. First of all, counting on the AD to find a replacement is the right course of action - that's his job and that is a plan. Second, since that didn't satisfy you, some posters suggested some names.

I have long advocated leaving it in the hands of the AD. That is where it is, and he has opted to retain bailiff, and now his star is waning. Apparently he's right until he fails to do what one faction wants. Then he becomes the AD of "low expectations".

As for names, they don't tell me much beyond that somebody thinks they will be better than bailiff.

I lived through the times between Neely and Goldsmith. It seemed to be a bunch of trying this one, firing him, trying that one, firing him, and so forth. I hope the plan is more than just starting that process again. We don't have the 25 or so years to try 7 or 8 potential geniuses before we get to the Goldsmith. so, yeah, I want more assurances than just somebody else will be better. Ironically, it seems my higher standards for a plan have put me at odds with the body of fans.

Buddy, there are never assurances and guarantees when making a change of any kind. However, if it has been established that the status quo will not get you where you want to go, then there is very little, if any, risk in making a change. That's where most of us in the anti-DB camp sit. (Note-- IMO, this year's Rice team performance might have been one of the very worst in history, despite the 5-7 record. I would argue that many of our previous 1 - 10 or 2 - 9 Rice teams would have wiped the floor with this year's team. Yes, we were that bad. The incredibly weak SoS allowed us to pull out several victories which masked just how bad we were.)

(12-07-2015 09:57 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Rick, my posting rate is higher because of baseball, where I actively engage in in-game posts when not at games. With regard to the Bailiff debate, I'd be shocked if your post rate is not close to double mine. Seriously.

Walt

As Mike has pointed out, each of us have periods when we are very prolific.

In the interest of being "less grating" I will point out that this post of yours is a fair response. I will concede that it seems possible and even likely that I have more posts on this topic than yours. (That's not a blanket concession meant to apply to other ABB posters.)

I doubt that it is double your posts, but i concede that I am not going to research it, so other than my doubting it, feel free to note that I am not challenging it either.

(12-07-2015 10:30 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:20 AM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  There's a pretty wide range of all positions here. I think all of us tend to react when someone responds from a position we disagree with, as if the post is directed personally at them. That's not always the case, and defining everyone within a group (ABB or otherwise) as being in lockstep with our own beliefs is probably inaccurate.

Even more inaccurate is lumping everyone you disagree with into one broad mischaracterization. Has even one person you are debating with actually advocated "anybody but Bailiff"?

Actually there was a post on the Parliament claiming any one of us could do a better job than our coaches. (in fairness, that hyperbole was never repeated.)

I created the ABB acronym because it was short, saved time and was recognizable.
I noted at the time that the use of "anti-Bailiff", which was being used, seemed to me to be very unfair.

When I use ABB as a general term in a way you feel is specifically and grossly unfair, please feel free to call me on it. However, I probably am not going to see its use as a topic worthy of a 'politically correct' discussion.

It's meant to be easy to type and shorten things only

(12-07-2015 10:31 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Nobody came up with much a plan for step two and beyond, other than we can trust JK to find us a great coach because he did so well on basketball. There seems to be some cooling on that now.

Also false.

Several viable candidates and alternatives have been named. We have had long discussions of ways to increase fan support, make the game day experience better and generally move the program forward.

Sorry, its not like we want Bailiff gone to get him gone. We want Bailiff gone to improve the program and have discussed several reasons as to why and how.

(12-07-2015 12:46 AM)Buho00 Wrote:  Arguably, Rice is producing better players now than 10 years ago. Plus at least 2 head coaches were recently Rice's OC. It's not a bad spot for young coaches.

I don't want to lay out all of my rationale for that, so I'll just say I hope you're right.

(12-07-2015 12:06 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:31 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Nobody came up with much a plan for step two and beyond, other than we can trust JK to find us a great coach because he did so well on basketball. There seems to be some cooling on that now.

Also false.

Several viable candidates and alternatives have been named. We have had long discussions of ways to increase fan support, make the game day experience better and generally move the program forward.

Sorry, its not like we want Bailiff gone to get him gone. We want Bailiff gone to improve the program and have discussed several reasons as to why and how.

Sorry if I missed it. So give me the first four or five steps of the plan.

(12-07-2015 02:48 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 12:06 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:31 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Nobody came up with much a plan for step two and beyond, other than we can trust JK to find us a great coach because he did so well on basketball. There seems to be some cooling on that now.

Also false.

Several viable candidates and alternatives have been named. We have had long discussions of ways to increase fan support, make the game day experience better and generally move the program forward.

Sorry, its not like we want Bailiff gone to get him gone. We want Bailiff gone to improve the program and have discussed several reasons as to why and how.

Sorry if I missed it. So give me the first four or five steps of the plan.

And round you go...

I saw a TV show where an inexperienced lawyer facing overwhelming evidence against his client got a mistrial by boring the jury with endless repetition until one of the jurors complained out loud to the judge out of sheer exasperation. Not winning, exactly, but buying time hoping the case will just go away.

Reading your posts reminds me of that. Wish I could remember the name of the show.

(12-07-2015 03:03 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 02:48 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 12:06 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:31 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Nobody came up with much a plan for step two and beyond, other than we can trust JK to find us a great coach because he did so well on basketball. There seems to be some cooling on that now.

Also false.

Several viable candidates and alternatives have been named. We have had long discussions of ways to increase fan support, make the game day experience better and generally move the program forward.

Sorry, its not like we want Bailiff gone to get him gone. We want Bailiff gone to improve the program and have discussed several reasons as to why and how.

Sorry if I missed it. So give me the first four or five steps of the plan.

And round you go...

I saw a TV show where an inexperienced lawyer facing overwhelming evidence against his client got a mistrial by boring the jury with endless repetition until one of the jurors complained out loud to the judge out of sheer exasperation. Not winning, exactly, but buying time hoping the case will just go away.

Reading your posts reminds me of that. Wish I could remember the name of the show.

There was a Law and Order SVU episode similar to that.

I still don't believe I have seen a viable list of candidates to replace Bailiff. At least I'd like to see a list and then put what you think their salary would be next to it. Some of the names I've seen mentioned were never ever going to come to Rice with what we pay Bailiff. Have you see the recent hirings? UVA was paying their old coach over 3 million. South Carolina is 3 million for muschamp. Herman is now getting close to 3 at UH. Richt is making a few million at Miami (another private school). Our pool is limited to G5 coordinators and FCS coaches unless we really open up the checkbook.

(12-07-2015 03:09 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:03 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 02:48 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 12:06 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:31 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Nobody came up with much a plan for step two and beyond, other than we can trust JK to find us a great coach because he did so well on basketball. There seems to be some cooling on that now.

Also false.

Several viable candidates and alternatives have been named. We have had long discussions of ways to increase fan support, make the game day experience better and generally move the program forward.

Sorry, its not like we want Bailiff gone to get him gone. We want Bailiff gone to improve the program and have discussed several reasons as to why and how.

Sorry if I missed it. So give me the first four or five steps of the plan.

And round you go...

I saw a TV show where an inexperienced lawyer facing overwhelming evidence against his client got a mistrial by boring the jury with endless repetition until one of the jurors complained out loud to the judge out of sheer exasperation. Not winning, exactly, but buying time hoping the case will just go away.

Reading your posts reminds me of that. Wish I could remember the name of the show.

There was a Law and Order SVU episode similar to that.

I still don't believe I have seen a viable list of candidates to replace Bailiff. At least I'd like to see a list and then put what you think their salary would be next to it. Some of the names I've seen mentioned were never ever going to come to Rice with what we pay Bailiff. Have you see the recent hirings? UVA was paying their old coach over 3 million. South Carolina is 3 million for muschamp. Herman is now getting close to 3 at UH. Richt is making a few million at Miami (another private school). Our pool is limited to G5 coordinators and FCS coaches unless we really open up the checkbook.

There are definitely some P5 coordinators who would take the Rice job. For example, UNC OC Seth Littrell just accepted the UNT job. If we up the salary for our head coach to 1.2-1.5 million, it opens up way more possibilities. I think that should be our goal.

(12-07-2015 03:09 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:03 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 02:48 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 12:06 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:31 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Nobody came up with much a plan for step two and beyond, other than we can trust JK to find us a great coach because he did so well on basketball. There seems to be some cooling on that now.

Also false.

Several viable candidates and alternatives have been named. We have had long discussions of ways to increase fan support, make the game day experience better and generally move the program forward.

Sorry, its not like we want Bailiff gone to get him gone. We want Bailiff gone to improve the program and have discussed several reasons as to why and how.

Sorry if I missed it. So give me the first four or five steps of the plan.

And round you go...

I saw a TV show where an inexperienced lawyer facing overwhelming evidence against his client got a mistrial by boring the jury with endless repetition until one of the jurors complained out loud to the judge out of sheer exasperation. Not winning, exactly, but buying time hoping the case will just go away.

Reading your posts reminds me of that. Wish I could remember the name of the show.

There was a Law and Order SVU episode similar to that.

I still don't believe I have seen a viable list of candidates to replace Bailiff. At least I'd like to see a list and then put what you think their salary would be next to it. Some of the names I've seen mentioned were never ever going to come to Rice with what we pay Bailiff. Have you see the recent hirings? UVA was paying their old coach over 3 million. South Carolina is 3 million for muschamp. Herman is now getting close to 3 at UH. Richt is making a few million at Miami (another private school). Our pool is limited to G5 coordinators and FCS coaches unless we really open up the checkbook.

We could get a first-time FBS head coach for quite a bit less than $3 million. Who? Well, if JK doesn't know better than me then we're paying him way too much. If the goal of T25 and P5 isn't just empty talk, then eventually we'll have to pay for a coach that can perform at that level. What are USM's and WKU's coaches being payed? I'll bet it's not $3 million.

(12-07-2015 03:20 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  We could get a first-time FBS head coach for quite a bit less than $3 million. Who? Well, if JK doesn't know better than me then we're paying him way too much. If the goal of T25 and P5 isn't just empty talk, then eventually we'll have to pay for a coach that can perform at that level. What are USM's and WKU's coaches being payed? I'll bet it's not $3 million.

Less than Bailiff. Monken is $700K base, Brohm is $610K base. Obviously they have bonuses / additional incentive payments, but this site doesn't list those for Bailiff, so tough to compare total possible compensation.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

(12-07-2015 03:20 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:09 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:03 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 02:48 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 12:06 PM)Antarius Wrote:  Also false.

Several viable candidates and alternatives have been named. We have had long discussions of ways to increase fan support, make the game day experience better and generally move the program forward.

Sorry, its not like we want Bailiff gone to get him gone. We want Bailiff gone to improve the program and have discussed several reasons as to why and how.

Sorry if I missed it. So give me the first four or five steps of the plan.

And round you go...

I saw a TV show where an inexperienced lawyer facing overwhelming evidence against his client got a mistrial by boring the jury with endless repetition until one of the jurors complained out loud to the judge out of sheer exasperation. Not winning, exactly, but buying time hoping the case will just go away.

Reading your posts reminds me of that. Wish I could remember the name of the show.

There was a Law and Order SVU episode similar to that.

I still don't believe I have seen a viable list of candidates to replace Bailiff. At least I'd like to see a list and then put what you think their salary would be next to it. Some of the names I've seen mentioned were never ever going to come to Rice with what we pay Bailiff. Have you see the recent hirings? UVA was paying their old coach over 3 million. South Carolina is 3 million for muschamp. Herman is now getting close to 3 at UH. Richt is making a few million at Miami (another private school). Our pool is limited to G5 coordinators and FCS coaches unless we really open up the checkbook.

We could get a first-time FBS head coach for quite a bit less than $3 million. Who? Well, if JK doesn't know better than me then we're paying him way too much. If the goal of T25 and P5 isn't just empty talk, then eventually we'll have to pay for a coach that can perform at that level. What are USM's and WKU's coaches being payed? I'll bet it's not $3 million.

Right, I trust JK to make that decision when the time comes. I'd think our salary for a new coach should be around 1-1.2, then we could get P5 coordinators into the mix like excitedowl said. I'd be even happier if we could get someone for Bailiff's salary and tie large incentives to our goals. WKU and USM will have to up those salaries or else they will lose them and if we find someone we want to keep I'd hope we would do the same thing like we did for Rhoades.

(12-07-2015 03:34 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:20 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:09 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:03 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 02:48 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Sorry if I missed it. So give me the first four or five steps of the plan.

And round you go...

I saw a TV show where an inexperienced lawyer facing overwhelming evidence against his client got a mistrial by boring the jury with endless repetition until one of the jurors complained out loud to the judge out of sheer exasperation. Not winning, exactly, but buying time hoping the case will just go away.

Reading your posts reminds me of that. Wish I could remember the name of the show.

There was a Law and Order SVU episode similar to that.

I still don't believe I have seen a viable list of candidates to replace Bailiff. At least I'd like to see a list and then put what you think their salary would be next to it. Some of the names I've seen mentioned were never ever going to come to Rice with what we pay Bailiff. Have you see the recent hirings? UVA was paying their old coach over 3 million. South Carolina is 3 million for muschamp. Herman is now getting close to 3 at UH. Richt is making a few million at Miami (another private school). Our pool is limited to G5 coordinators and FCS coaches unless we really open up the checkbook.

We could get a first-time FBS head coach for quite a bit less than $3 million. Who? Well, if JK doesn't know better than me then we're paying him way too much. If the goal of T25 and P5 isn't just empty talk, then eventually we'll have to pay for a coach that can perform at that level. What are USM's and WKU's coaches being payed? I'll bet it's not $3 million.

Right, I trust JK to make that decision when the time comes. I'd think our salary for a new coach should be around 1-1.2, then we could get P5 coordinators into the mix like excitedowl said. I'd be even happier if we could get someone for Bailiff's salary and tie large incentives to our goals. WKU and USM will have to up those salaries or else they will lose them and if we find someone we want to keep I'd hope we would do the same thing like we did for Rhoades.

And keep in mind that neither WKU or USM are meeting the T25 or P5 goals yet either. UH, 50% of them.

(12-07-2015 04:20 PM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:34 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:20 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:09 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:03 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  And round you go...

I saw a TV show where an inexperienced lawyer facing overwhelming evidence against his client got a mistrial by boring the jury with endless repetition until one of the jurors complained out loud to the judge out of sheer exasperation. Not winning, exactly, but buying time hoping the case will just go away.

Reading your posts reminds me of that. Wish I could remember the name of the show.

There was a Law and Order SVU episode similar to that.

I still don't believe I have seen a viable list of candidates to replace Bailiff. At least I'd like to see a list and then put what you think their salary would be next to it. Some of the names I've seen mentioned were never ever going to come to Rice with what we pay Bailiff. Have you see the recent hirings? UVA was paying their old coach over 3 million. South Carolina is 3 million for muschamp. Herman is now getting close to 3 at UH. Richt is making a few million at Miami (another private school). Our pool is limited to G5 coordinators and FCS coaches unless we really open up the checkbook.

We could get a first-time FBS head coach for quite a bit less than $3 million. Who? Well, if JK doesn't know better than me then we're paying him way too much. If the goal of T25 and P5 isn't just empty talk, then eventually we'll have to pay for a coach that can perform at that level. What are USM's and WKU's coaches being payed? I'll bet it's not $3 million.

Right, I trust JK to make that decision when the time comes. I'd think our salary for a new coach should be around 1-1.2, then we could get P5 coordinators into the mix like excitedowl said. I'd be even happier if we could get someone for Bailiff's salary and tie large incentives to our goals. WKU and USM will have to up those salaries or else they will lose them and if we find someone we want to keep I'd hope we would do the same thing like we did for Rhoades.

And keep in mind that neither WKU or USM are meeting the T25 or P5 goals yet either. UH, 50% of them.

WKU was ranked #25 this week, for what it's worth. One week does not constitute "meeting the goal" however. I would say being ranked in the final poll would, however.

(12-07-2015 04:20 PM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:34 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:20 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:09 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:03 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  And round you go...

I saw a TV show where an inexperienced lawyer facing overwhelming evidence against his client got a mistrial by boring the jury with endless repetition until one of the jurors complained out loud to the judge out of sheer exasperation. Not winning, exactly, but buying time hoping the case will just go away.

Reading your posts reminds me of that. Wish I could remember the name of the show.

There was a Law and Order SVU episode similar to that.

I still don't believe I have seen a viable list of candidates to replace Bailiff. At least I'd like to see a list and then put what you think their salary would be next to it. Some of the names I've seen mentioned were never ever going to come to Rice with what we pay Bailiff. Have you see the recent hirings? UVA was paying their old coach over 3 million. South Carolina is 3 million for muschamp. Herman is now getting close to 3 at UH. Richt is making a few million at Miami (another private school). Our pool is limited to G5 coordinators and FCS coaches unless we really open up the checkbook.

We could get a first-time FBS head coach for quite a bit less than $3 million. Who? Well, if JK doesn't know better than me then we're paying him way too much. If the goal of T25 and P5 isn't just empty talk, then eventually we'll have to pay for a coach that can perform at that level. What are USM's and WKU's coaches being payed? I'll bet it's not $3 million.

Right, I trust JK to make that decision when the time comes. I'd think our salary for a new coach should be around 1-1.2, then we could get P5 coordinators into the mix like excitedowl said. I'd be even happier if we could get someone for Bailiff's salary and tie large incentives to our goals. WKU and USM will have to up those salaries or else they will lose them and if we find someone we want to keep I'd hope we would do the same thing like we did for Rhoades.

And keep in mind that neither WKU or USM are meeting the T25 or P5 goals yet either. UH, 50% of them.

WKU is ranked #25 in the Top 25 AP poll. Rice is #25 in the Bottom 25 poll.

And yes, UH is at 50% of your two metrics, but JK listed: signature wins (check, they beat Louisville, ranked Memphis, Temple, and Navy), conference championship (check), Top 25 rankings (check), and a bowl game (minimum expectation, check, also playing in THE Access Bowl).

(12-07-2015 04:34 PM)WIowl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 04:20 PM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:34 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:20 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:09 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  There was a Law and Order SVU episode similar to that.

I still don't believe I have seen a viable list of candidates to replace Bailiff. At least I'd like to see a list and then put what you think their salary would be next to it. Some of the names I've seen mentioned were never ever going to come to Rice with what we pay Bailiff. Have you see the recent hirings? UVA was paying their old coach over 3 million. South Carolina is 3 million for muschamp. Herman is now getting close to 3 at UH. Richt is making a few million at Miami (another private school). Our pool is limited to G5 coordinators and FCS coaches unless we really open up the checkbook.

We could get a first-time FBS head coach for quite a bit less than $3 million. Who? Well, if JK doesn't know better than me then we're paying him way too much. If the goal of T25 and P5 isn't just empty talk, then eventually we'll have to pay for a coach that can perform at that level. What are USM's and WKU's coaches being payed? I'll bet it's not $3 million.

Right, I trust JK to make that decision when the time comes. I'd think our salary for a new coach should be around 1-1.2, then we could get P5 coordinators into the mix like excitedowl said. I'd be even happier if we could get someone for Bailiff's salary and tie large incentives to our goals. WKU and USM will have to up those salaries or else they will lose them and if we find someone we want to keep I'd hope we would do the same thing like we did for Rhoades.

And keep in mind that neither WKU or USM are meeting the T25 or P5 goals yet either. UH, 50% of them.

WKU is ranked #25 in the AP poll.

Stand corrected (twice). Actually glad they climbed in. Their QB graduates this year? (hopefully)

(12-07-2015 04:34 PM)WIowl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 04:20 PM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:34 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:20 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:09 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  There was a Law and Order SVU episode similar to that.

I still don't believe I have seen a viable list of candidates to replace Bailiff. At least I'd like to see a list and then put what you think their salary would be next to it. Some of the names I've seen mentioned were never ever going to come to Rice with what we pay Bailiff. Have you see the recent hirings? UVA was paying their old coach over 3 million. South Carolina is 3 million for muschamp. Herman is now getting close to 3 at UH. Richt is making a few million at Miami (another private school). Our pool is limited to G5 coordinators and FCS coaches unless we really open up the checkbook.

We could get a first-time FBS head coach for quite a bit less than $3 million. Who? Well, if JK doesn't know better than me then we're paying him way too much. If the goal of T25 and P5 isn't just empty talk, then eventually we'll have to pay for a coach that can perform at that level. What are USM's and WKU's coaches being payed? I'll bet it's not $3 million.

Right, I trust JK to make that decision when the time comes. I'd think our salary for a new coach should be around 1-1.2, then we could get P5 coordinators into the mix like excitedowl said. I'd be even happier if we could get someone for Bailiff's salary and tie large incentives to our goals. WKU and USM will have to up those salaries or else they will lose them and if we find someone we want to keep I'd hope we would do the same thing like we did for Rhoades.

And keep in mind that neither WKU or USM are meeting the T25 or P5 goals yet either. UH, 50% of them.

WKU is ranked #25 in the Top 25 AP poll. Rice is #25 in the Bottom 25 poll.

And yes, UH is at 50% of your two metrics, but JK listed: signature wins (check, they beat Louisville, ranked Memphis, Temple, and Navy), conference championship (check), Top 25 rankings (check), and a bowl game (minimum expectation, check, also playing in THE Access Bowl).

just repeated the two above. If those are all signature wins, I think we would get to count Marshall (2013) as well. But again, the definition of signature wins varies on the eye of the beholder.