(12-05-2015 02:16 AM)spanky Wrote:  Let's ask this:

Why does RC ALWAYS have to grab the players arm when addressing them 1-1, whether it be angrily or calmly???


Easy answer. Simple really.
They ignore him if he doesn't physically restrain them in minor way. They literally walk past him until he does that.

ROLL TIDE

Troll alert - we have been bamboozled. I should have known.

(12-05-2015 02:19 AM)Cowboy95 Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 02:16 AM)spanky Wrote:  Let's ask this:

Why does RC ALWAYS have to grab the players arm when addressing them 1-1, whether it be angrily or calmly???


Easy answer. Simple really.
They ignore him if he doesn't physically restrain them in minor way. They literally walk past him until he does that.

ROLL TIDE

Troll alert - we have been bamboozled. I should have known.

Ooops. Actual events got in the way.

The Carey postseason record supporters have another excuse if NIU doesn't win a bowl this year.

"NIU didn't have a quarterback!!!"

(12-05-2015 02:16 AM)spanky Wrote:  Let's ask this:

Why does RC ALWAYS have to grab the players arm when addressing them 1-1, whether it be angrily or calmly???


Easy answer. Simple really.
They ignore him if he doesn't physically restrain them in minor way. They literally walk past him until he does that.

ROLL TIDE

Roll Tide? What the hell is that?

i heard through someone who works with a lot of past and present NIU football players at his performance clinic that 99 percent of the players don't care about the bowl game unless it's a big bowl (orange) or if they get the chance to play in the Bahamas. Most said after the MACC they just want the season to be over. So maybe we shouldn't judge Carey on his bowl record after all, it's not like he's coaching in the Rose Bowl every year...usually it is the "Whatever dotcom is popular right now" bowl.

(12-05-2015 01:59 AM)spanky Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 01:51 AM)Cowboy95 Wrote:  You would prefer he ignore the apparent bad choice and act like it didn't happen? When he coached him (that is sort of his job) he appeared calm and respectful (not something I ever experienced from any football coaches I had). If you do not take advantage of every teaching moment available as coach you are not doing your job - same goes for any person who manages people. You need to deliver immediate feedback, good or bad, or you are failing in your responsibilities as a leader.

Man, get out of here. He got crushed on a borderline cheap-shot, in a conference championship game he had no business playing in, after he looked completely lost for the first 3 quarters.

THEY RAN THE F'N WILDCAT IN A CHAMPIONSHIP GAME SOLELY TO AVOID BURING A YEAR OF ELIGIBILITY ON THE 7TH-STRING QB BECAUSE THEY WERE GETTING CRUSHED AT THE TIME.

Seriously? You think that's a good time to pull your 6th-string injured QB aside to lecture him on your 2nd-biggest exposure game of the season.....?

Hmmm........you think RC knew the cameras were on at that point???

He's a mess. He should be gone tomorrow. Or - better yet - demote him back to OL coach, he'd be thrilled!!!

He was not ranting, raving or screaming at the kid. For all you and I know he might have been trying to determine how bad he was hurt and if he could play again. Carey had to make a quick decision or 3 in a very short period of time. It is also possible he was giving him some tips on how to better protect himself if/ when he went back in. Neither of us know what was said.

1-5 in the 6 games they've played in in the postseason isn't real crazy, and while it is lower than what we should have expected, it's still not that much of an outlier. The 6 games were:

Florida St.
Bowling Green
Utah St.
Bowling Green
Marshall
Bowling Green

Those spreads were:

14.5
-3
2
-5.5
8.5
14

The win probabilities related to those spreads are (from https://www.teamrankings.com/ncf/odds-history/results/)

15.1%
58.3%
45.5%
65.4%
21.2%
12.8%

So the expectation is 2.18 W and 3.82 L.

The % chance of each record is:
0-6 4.6%
1-5 21.6%
2-4 36.5%
3-3 27.0%
4-2 8.9%
5-1 1.3%
6-0 0.1%

So what's realistic? 3-3 maybe? 2-4 was the most likely outcome, and people would stlll be bitching. 1-5 isn't ideal, but the expectations on this board are out of control.

(12-05-2015 11:40 AM)niusfactuary Wrote:  1-5 in the 6 games they've played in in the postseason isn't real crazy, and while it is lower than what we should have expected, it's still not that much of an outlier. The 6 games were:

Florida St.
Bowling Green
Utah St.
Bowling Green
Marshall
Bowling Green

Those spreads were:

14.5
-3
2
-5.5
8.5
14

The win probabilities related to those spreads are (from https://www.teamrankings.com/ncf/odds-history/results/)

15.1%
58.3%
45.5%
65.4%
21.2%
12.8%

So the expectation is 2.18 W and 3.82 L.

The % chance of each record is:
0-6 4.6%
1-5 21.6%
2-4 36.5%
3-3 27.0%
4-2 8.9%
5-1 1.3%
6-0 0.1%

So what's realistic? 3-3 maybe? 2-4 was the most likely outcome, and people would stlll be bitching. 1-5 isn't ideal, but the expectations on this board are out of control.

Shhhh, you're not oversimplifying!

(12-05-2015 09:22 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  i heard through someone who works with a lot of past and present NIU football players at his performance clinic that 99 percent of the players don't care about the bowl game unless it's a big bowl (orange) or if they get the chance to play in the Bahamas. Most said after the MACC they just want the season to be over. So maybe we shouldn't judge Carey on his bowl record after all, it's not like he's coaching in the Rose Bowl every year...usually it is the "Whatever dotcom is popular right now" bowl.

Bowl games aren't special. To anybody but espn.

(12-05-2015 11:47 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 09:22 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  i heard through someone who works with a lot of past and present NIU football players at his performance clinic that 99 percent of the players don't care about the bowl game unless it's a big bowl (orange) or if they get the chance to play in the Bahamas. Most said after the MACC they just want the season to be over. So maybe we shouldn't judge Carey on his bowl record after all, it's not like he's coaching in the Rose Bowl every year...usually it is the "Whatever dotcom is popular right now" bowl.

Bowl games aren't special. To anybody but espn.

The bowl game has always been the highest rated game of the year, aka the most eyeballs. You dont want to always suck and lose on these stages.

(12-05-2015 12:00 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 11:47 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 09:22 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  i heard through someone who works with a lot of past and present NIU football players at his performance clinic that 99 percent of the players don't care about the bowl game unless it's a big bowl (orange) or if they get the chance to play in the Bahamas. Most said after the MACC they just want the season to be over. So maybe we shouldn't judge Carey on his bowl record after all, it's not like he's coaching in the Rose Bowl every year...usually it is the "Whatever dotcom is popular right now" bowl.

Bowl games aren't special. To anybody but espn.

The bowl game has always been the highest rated game of the year, aka the most eyeballs. You dont want to always suck and lose on these stages.

I agree, they are watched by more people than typical MAC games or the MACC, I just don't know if the players care as much as the fans. I guess that's actually more of a question than my statement, I wonder if the players care about the bowl game once they get there. I know recruits look at those things, but do the players playing the game see it more as hinderance to their off season? I'm not sure.

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This one I mean as the best of all time

(12-05-2015 11:40 AM)niusfactuary Wrote:  1-5 in the 6 games they've played in in the postseason isn't real crazy, and while it is lower than what we should have expected, it's still not that much of an outlier. The 6 games were:

Florida St.
Bowling Green
Utah St.
Bowling Green
Marshall
Bowling Green

Those spreads were:

14.5
-3
2
-5.5
8.5
14

The win probabilities related to those spreads are (from https://www.teamrankings.com/ncf/odds-history/results/)

15.1%
58.3%
45.5%
65.4%
21.2%
12.8%

So the expectation is 2.18 W and 3.82 L.

The % chance of each record is:
0-6 4.6%
1-5 21.6%
2-4 36.5%
3-3 27.0%
4-2 8.9%
5-1 1.3%
6-0 0.1%

So what's realistic? 3-3 maybe? 2-4 was the most likely outcome, and people would stlll be bitching. 1-5 isn't ideal, but the expectations on this board are out of control.

Its not that we lost. Its also HOW we lost. We played awful in all those games except the one MAC Championship we won.

You have the #1 ranked rushing offense shut down against Ohio and Bowling Green to end the season. A Bowling Green defense that was 10th in the MAC in total defense. And we did nothing against that defense.

Why is it acceptable that we continually suck in the postseason? Because we play good teams? Are we not a good team the last 3 years under Carey? So we should just accept beating up on the bad teams in the MAC because we beat Toledo and WMU and then doing nothing in the postseason.

(12-05-2015 12:17 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 11:40 AM)niusfactuary Wrote:  

Its not that we lost. Its also HOW we lost. We played awful in all those games except the one MAC Championship we won.

You have the #1 ranked rushing offense shut down against Ohio and Bowling Green to end the season. A Bowling Green defense that was 10th in the MAC in total defense. And we did nothing against that defense.

Why is it acceptable that we continually suck in the postseason? Because we play good teams? Are we not a good team the last 3 years under Carey? So we should just accept beating up on the bad teams in the MAC because we beat Toledo and WMU and then doing nothing in the postseason.

We were #1 ranked rush offense mainly due to volume. We ran the ball far more than other MAC teams. We were only 5th best in YPC. With no passing threat there is no way to run the ball effectively.

No passing threat means even against the 10th best MAC defense(BG was ahead of us in run def btw, and 2nd in int's, 1 behind us) your offense is limited. Especially with a kid running the offense who was just at prom 12 months ago.

I don't put the Orange Bowl on Carey.

I think most problems stem from recruiting and offensive play calling

Since 2007 the MAC is 11-29 in bowl games. That's pretty damn awful, we aren't the only team going out there and consistently getting owned. I mean, there was a stretch back in 2007-2010 the MAC went 0-13! I don't think that somehow MAC coaches are all that much worse compared to the other conferences, it just comes down to the fact that the average caliber of athlete committing to a MAC school is below our competition.

We've been to the MACC six times in a row, frequently go to bowl games, have had nationally ranked teams, and made an Orange Bowl appearance. Yet, I look at the majority of our verbals and they are choosing us over offers from Montana, Murray St., North Dakota St., and SIU? Seriously, these are the best teams we can compete with and pluck recruits from? Then everyone scratches their head when we get our sh*t pushed in playing against decent, out of conference opponents. Face it, there's just not much appeal to a highly sought after recruit to play EMU in front of 10,000 people Tuesday night in Dekalb with a -10 wind chill.

I know we extend offers to recruits that are being courted by P5 teams and other quality schools, but I think to an 18 year old coming out of high school, the prospect of playing in front of 70,000+ people is just too easy of a sell. Of course, some of them think they'll see the field and then end up riding the bench their whole college careers just waiting for that "chance." Maybe some regret trading the option of playing time for the big game day atmosphere, maybe some don't. Either way, the MAC just is not a very glamorous conference.

I'm not even going to read through all of this nonsense. A walk-on QB with no FBS offers started his first game ever last night. The idiocy on this board has reached a record high.

(12-05-2015 02:29 PM)armour248 Wrote:  I'm not even going to read through all of this nonsense. A walk-on QB with no FBS offers started his first game ever last night. The idiocy on this board has reached a record high.

Interesting how people keep giving Carey a free pass for his postseason failures. So he had a walk-on QB for one postseason game yet he's still 1-4 in other postseason games.

How about when Carey had a heisman finalist QB in 2012 and proceeded to get railroaded by BG and then put up a dud against Utah State?

(12-05-2015 02:34 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 02:29 PM)armour248 Wrote:  I'm not even going to read through all of this nonsense. A walk-on QB with no FBS offers started his first game ever last night. The idiocy on this board has reached a record high.

Interesting how people keep giving Carey a free pass for his postseason failures. So he had a walk-on QB for one postseason game yet he's still 1-4 in other postseason games.

How about when Carey had a heisman finalist QB in 2012 and proceeded to get railroaded by BG and then put up a dud against Utah State?

Arguments can be made for both sides. Carey has always gotten us to where we want to go, but he has yet to get us over the hump. With that said, it can also be argued that bowl games really aren't that important unless you're playing on New Years or after, so why care so much about the post season anyway. both are valid arguments and one that everyone will always disagree on. Also, this board takes everything so damn seriously, so you know, there is that.