We keep being told by Obama and his cohorts that ISIS is not Islamic. That the mounting number of terrorist attacks by Islamic extremists is not indicative nor representative of the vast, overwhelming majority of Muslims in the world.

That's all well and good. BUT...

Where are the mass demonstrations by moderate Muslims?

Why aren't the political and religious leaders of the Muslim world denouncing these attacks? More than just lip service, that is.

Why aren't moderate Muslims taking up arms against radical Islamic extremists? Their religion was "hijacked", after all. Those who are overseas could EASILY destroy ISIS if they so greatly outnumber ISIS, as Obama says.

How about here at home? How come moderate Muslims aren't ratting out their Jihadi brothers and sisters? Muslims have very tight-knit communities... surely they know who are radicals and who are not. They would know who pose a threat, and who don't. Why don't they come forward? Surely they could be protected by the police.

Could it possibly be that we refuse, as a PC society, to actually ABSORB what the Koran actually says? Could it be that even "moderate" Muslims don't really have a huge problem with Jihad? Or with the Caliphate?

I think our leaders need to really try and understand what Islam is really all about before welcoming it into our society with open arms. It's all in the text... plain as day.

Moderates are NOT Muslim. Moderates are NOT following the Quran and the example set by their prophet.

I suspect they're being moderate.

(12-03-2015 11:07 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  I suspect they're being moderate.

Yep, which is the overwhelming majority of Muslims. This horse has been beat enough.

(12-03-2015 11:07 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  I suspect they're being moderate.

Ever heard of the "Silent majority?"

Quote:Where are the "moderate" Muslims?

Getting run outta town by ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Iranian mullahs, Saudi Wahhabists, and radical Imams in mosques across the globe.

I've got a couple good friends who are Muslim. One has added a French flag on her facebook.

Its really a stupid question. I don't see a bunch of Americans in the streets protesting terrorism.

I wouldn't say **** either I could be killed for speaking out.


Honestly though, I think you have to readjust the moderate scale for muslims. If you look at polls, 50+ % of muslims in most muslim dominated countries support things that are very much out of line with western ideals. In those areas, moderate may just mean not actively engaging in terrorism themselves. It doesn't mean they don't support, or at least feel indifferent about what the hardliners are doing. Sure they're moderate compared to the terrorists, but they're not moderate in the western sense of the word.

Apparently this guy seemed like a moderate to all who knew him.

Oops.

(12-03-2015 11:44 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Apparently this guy seemed like a moderate to all who knew him.

Oops.

And this kid seemed like a normal kid, too.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/marysvi...ee-n233731


So, do we start eyeballing every normal kid in schools because they might go postal?

(12-03-2015 11:35 AM)Niner National Wrote:  Sure they're moderate compared to the terrorists, but they're not moderate in the western sense of the word.

But if you say this out loud you are deemed a racist/classist/imperialist.

Cultural relativism is going to be another nail in the coffin that is Western Civilization.

Guess it's just easier for some to not listen when Muslims speak.

(12-03-2015 11:44 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Apparently this guy seemed like a moderate to all who knew him.

Oops.

That's what's scary about guys like this. They leave a public paper trail of a seemingly Everyday Joe. Your brain has to wired a certain way to give off this aura of "average dude enjoying western daily life," yet know you are set upon raining death on innocents. Not just any innocents, but co-workers he knew, many I'm sure were nice to this guy.

(12-03-2015 12:14 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Guess it's just easier for some to not listen when Muslims speak.

ISIS "We killed this person in the name of Allah, like it says in the Koran"
Obama ""ISIS is not true Islam."
ISIS "We read the Koran and it said it was OK to kill in the name of Allah."
Obama ""ISIS is not true Islam."
ISIS "I mean, it's even in our name. Islamic State."
Obama ""ISIS is not true Islam."
ISIS "We stoned this woman to death for adultery, following instructions in the Koran"
Obama ""ISIS is not true Islam."
ISIS "Our goal is to establish a Caliphate and wipe infidels off this earth. Like it says in the Koran."
Obama ""ISIS is not true Islam."

If you follow Islam...no matter how good you seem...I could never trust you...period.

(12-03-2015 12:20 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  If you follow Islam...no matter how good you seem...I could never trust you...period.

eh, I won't go that far. I've had people in the past that were muslims that I knew well and they were very good people.

They were born in the U.S. though and are very much Americanized. If I were to compare them to Christians, they'd be like the Christians that go to church on Christmas and Easter, but no other times of the year. They weren't devout muslims.

Hell, where are the moderate Democrats?

Religion of Peace...

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."

Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost."

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."


There is SO much more of this **** in the Koran, too. So, in my opinion, anyone who considers themselves a devout Muslim should be considered dangerous.

(12-03-2015 02:31 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  Hell, where are the moderate Democrats?

I could say the same thing about Republicans.

Where are the moderate people? It seems like the left and the right have become more polarized since this century started.

The problem is that this isn't a problem for moderate Republicans to solve, Or moderate Democrats for that matter. It's a problem for moderate Muslims to solve. We don't need a few twitter tags or some Facebook posts, especially to people who often eschew such technology (meaning that much like the videos on the internet, the tweets and posts are directed at 'the west', not the terrorists) but some actual visible condemnation and protests against radical Islam. Someone to stop telling the west how peaceful most of them are and start telling those who AREN'T peaceful that they're mucking it up for them.

THAT is how you solve the problem... not to have 'the west' or 'the right' condemn them... OF COURSE we do... but to have their 'brothers' do so... just as Democrats actively and vocally try and shame Republicans into not painting all Muslims with the same brush. How about the moderates visibly distance themselves from the extremists? Ostracize them... Isolate them. Stand NEXT to Republicans rightfully complaining about random and senseless killings rather than across from them (like many dems do) acting as if they didn't happen.