CNN "experts" are speculating terrorism.

http://state-employees.findthedata.com/l...d-R-Farook

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(12-02-2015 09:09 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 08:33 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 08:25 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  "Liberals are hoping and praying this is a white guy"

Meanwhile everyone on this board openly roots for it to be a Muslim.

Who gives a ****? We have to figure out a way to get these shootings under control.

WTF does that even mean? Does it mean we ban all guns, that way the jihadis can run around and have free reign to shoot up anything they want?

I didn't and wouldn't suggest that. But the popular suggestion here seems to be "everyone should buy an arsenal of guns to defend their family". I'd like something a bit more.. first world than that.

Like what?

Per usual, the "we've got to do something" crowd has zero answers.

(12-02-2015 09:09 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 08:33 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 08:25 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  "Liberals are hoping and praying this is a white guy"

Meanwhile everyone on this board openly roots for it to be a Muslim.

Who gives a ****? We have to figure out a way to get these shootings under control.

WTF does that even mean? Does it mean we ban all guns, that way the jihadis can run around and have free reign to shoot up anything they want?

I didn't and wouldn't suggest that. But the popular suggestion here seems to be "everyone should buy an arsenal of guns to defend their family". I'd like something a bit more.. first world than that.

That hasn't been posted once itt

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(12-02-2015 09:19 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 09:09 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 08:33 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 08:25 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  "Liberals are hoping and praying this is a white guy"

Meanwhile everyone on this board openly roots for it to be a Muslim.

Who gives a ****? We have to figure out a way to get these shootings under control.

WTF does that even mean? Does it mean we ban all guns, that way the jihadis can run around and have free reign to shoot up anything they want?

I didn't and wouldn't suggest that. But the popular suggestion here seems to be "everyone should buy an arsenal of guns to defend their family". I'd like something a bit more.. first world than that.

Like what?

Per usual, the "we've got to do something" crowd has zero answers.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/dandiamond/2...re-rising/

This is a start.

For the record I think in the US the gun control angle is the least important for reasons that have been covered ad nauseum. But I do think some limited gun control legislation that minimally restricts law abiding citizens' right to own a gun could be a part of this.

IMO mental health reform along with criminal justice reform (the two issues are linked in many ways) are the most important at play here. In most cases this will be up to the states to step up and handle this.

(12-02-2015 09:15 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  http://state-employees.findthedata.com/l...d-R-Farook

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Interesting. Muslim ex-employee picking out a perfect soft target?

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(12-02-2015 09:34 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  IMO mental health reform along with criminal justice reform (the two issues are linked in many ways) are the most important at play here.

The gun control issue, yes... but it doesn't appear to mean anything to THIS issue.

Mental health issues don't usually manifest in multiple attackers... and I haven't heard any indications that these were otherwise criminals (to the extent that crim just reform would make a difference)

NBC Identifies Shooter.

Multiple sources from multiple agencies identified one of the three attackers at the resource center to NBC News as Syed Farook. No other information was available, but a knowledgeable source said another member of the trio is believed to be Farook's brother.

(12-02-2015 09:34 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 09:19 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 09:09 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 08:33 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 08:25 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  "Liberals are hoping and praying this is a white guy"

Meanwhile everyone on this board openly roots for it to be a Muslim.

Who gives a ****? We have to figure out a way to get these shootings under control.

WTF does that even mean? Does it mean we ban all guns, that way the jihadis can run around and have free reign to shoot up anything they want?

I didn't and wouldn't suggest that. But the popular suggestion here seems to be "everyone should buy an arsenal of guns to defend their family". I'd like something a bit more.. first world than that.

Like what?

Per usual, the "we've got to do something" crowd has zero answers.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/dandiamond/2...re-rising/

This is a start.

For the record I think in the US the gun control angle is the least important for reasons that have been covered ad nauseum. But I do think some limited gun control legislation that minimally restricts law abiding citizens' right to own a gun could be a part of this.

IMO mental health reform along with criminal justice reform (the two issues are linked in many ways) are the most important at play here. In most cases this will be up to the states to step up and handle this.

Doesn't CA have some of the strictest gun control laws in the country? Isn't murder illegal?

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My theory is this guy, Syed, worked for the group meeting in the conference room. Reports are it was a Christmas party of some sort and my guess is this radical Muslim was insulted some how and came back with his buddies to extract revenge.

This was terrorism.

Multiple sources from multiple agencies identified one of the three attackers at the resource center to NBC News as Syed Farook. No other information was available, but a knowledgeable source said another member of the trio is believed to be Farook's brother.

(12-02-2015 09:45 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 09:34 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  IMO mental health reform along with criminal justice reform (the two issues are linked in many ways) are the most important at play here.

The gun control issue, yes... but it doesn't appear to mean anything to THIS issue.

Mental health issues don't usually manifest in multiple attackers... and I haven't heard any indications that these were otherwise criminals (to the extent that crim just reform would make a difference)

Quite possibly true. A lot of details to come out on this particular one but it does look different from the "normal" shooting we're seeing too often.

Photo and background of Syed

(12-02-2015 10:02 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Photo and background of Syed

"ISIS is contained"

Barack

(12-02-2015 08:00 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Ohhhhh don't even act like this couldn't have been a McVeigh wacko.

How many times did you bring up McVeigh today? How many times was it relevant?

You're a willful ignorant asz with a manufactured agenda.

Or you can answer those two questions, and prove me wrong.

I gotta tell ya. I am absolutely floored to learn this was a group of Middle Easteners.

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What a punk *****. So much weakness in this terrorist clown.

Hannity is spot on. They've known it was Farooq for hours, but didn't want to release it for the sake of PC.

(12-02-2015 09:34 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 09:19 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 09:09 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 08:33 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 08:25 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  "Liberals are hoping and praying this is a white guy"

Meanwhile everyone on this board openly roots for it to be a Muslim.

Who gives a ****? We have to figure out a way to get these shootings under control.

WTF does that even mean? Does it mean we ban all guns, that way the jihadis can run around and have free reign to shoot up anything they want?

I didn't and wouldn't suggest that. But the popular suggestion here seems to be "everyone should buy an arsenal of guns to defend their family". I'd like something a bit more.. first world than that.

Like what?

Per usual, the "we've got to do something" crowd has zero answers.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/dandiamond/2...re-rising/

This is a start.

For the record I think in the US the gun control angle is the least important for reasons that have been covered ad nauseum. But I do think some limited gun control legislation that minimally restricts law abiding citizens' right to own a gun could be a part of this.

IMO mental health reform along with criminal justice reform (the two issues are linked in many ways) are the most important at play here. In most cases this will be up to the states to step up and handle this.

If you want to take on criminals and guns, by all means go for it. Leave the law abiding out of it.

(12-02-2015 10:56 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Hannity is spot on. They've known it was Farooq for hours, but didn't want to release it for the sake of PC.

Just like they didn't want to report on the Muslims celebrating in New Jersey.