Intelligent guesses. Something that's not normally correlated with your "reputation".

(12-02-2015 07:08 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Intelligent guesses. Something that's not normally correlated with your "reputation".

Are you sure it's not climate change?


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Since everyone is speculating, I'll throw in my own guess.

I'm going to guess Islamist. Here's why:
1) Right-Wing types are usually lone wolf. There are three attackers. Hard to convince two of your buddies to die for something unless it's religion.
2) Right-Wing militia types typically don't target "civilians." They would go after symbols of authority, e.g. police, tax collector, federal government. Doubtful they'd go after a center for the disabled.
3) Reports state men wearing all black with AK-47s, both of which are common ISIS gear.
4) ISIS has been promising US attacks in the wake of Paris.
5) Weren't there reports from the Feds that 3 terrorist watchlist folks flew into the US recently?
6) Looks like the shooters were on a killing spree but were gunned down before they could kill more. Similar in style to Paris attacks. They hit one location and were in the process of moving on.
7) In Southern California, ISIS types could have just walked over our border with Mexico.
8) Allegedly Police Scanner had Mideastern sounding name as a suspect.

Who knows, but that's my speculation. We'll see.

I'm going with irate employees. A team trying to take out enemies at a Christmas party. One still holed up in a house.

(12-02-2015 07:05 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Witness say they were silent. No chants. Multiple shooters and just get away. Did not attempt to be martyrs. I'm really surprised they didn't get out of Dodge. Caught a mile away 3 hours later? So odd.

I don't understand that either...You either go in and leave the area as fast as possible, or you hide out for a long while. You don't reappear 3 hours later.

Something seems really odd about all of this unless the police flushed them out of hiding.

(12-02-2015 07:18 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I'm going with irate employees. A team trying to take out enemies at a Christmas party. One still holed up in a house.

One shooter and I agree with you. 3 shooters...very unlikely.

(12-02-2015 07:18 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I'm going with irate employees. A team trying to take out enemies at a Christmas party. One still holed up in a house.

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You and your buddies get pissed off at a guy who keeps getting promoted whose a *ickwad. You hate him or her. You take them out a a Christmas party. That's my guess. I don't think Muslim. They would have shouted Allah Akhbar or something and died there killing as many as possible.

(12-02-2015 07:24 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You and your buddies get pissed off at a guy who keeps getting promoted whose a *ickwad. You hate him or her. You take them out a a Christmas party. That's my guess. I don't think Muslim. They would have shouted Allah Akhbar or something and died there killing as many as possible.

Doesn't it seem unlikely that even if you had two very pissed off co-workers, who you were buddies with, that they would be so pissed off, they'd go on a shooting spree? Seems far-fetched to me.

An apartment building in Redlands is currently being surrounded. Tracking down more leads.

So odd.

(12-02-2015 07:24 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You and your buddies get pissed off at a guy who keeps getting promoted whose a *ickwad. You hate him or her. You take them out a a Christmas party. That's my guess. I don't think Muslim. They would have shouted Allah Akhbar or something and died there killing as many as possible.

Good point. Just like the Tzarnev brothers and the Charlie Heddo guys.

Oh wait.

Nevermind.

Funny.........

We will know in 14 minutes. You know they have the dead guy finger printed.

Capture one alive. Then make him talk. Charge him under Federal Terrorism Statutes that carry the Death Penalty. He'll give it all up.

(12-02-2015 05:47 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  It's called a "Shoot and Scoot". You go in, empty a magazine, and leave. Perps had Body Armor and masks, so you can't get a visual ID. In and out in under a minute. And I doubt LEO has the vehicle used for the escape, because its a forensic lead. They'd burn it or put it in a canal.

These guys have military training.

Really? That's like saying you need military training for a drive by.

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The He b do attack guys shouted

Witnesses said they had heard the gunmen shouting "We have avenged the Prophet Muhammad" and "God is Great" in Arabic while calling



These guys stayed silent. But supposedly they had AK's. The HeBdo guys had AK's.

The apartment in Redlands is supposedly the home of one of the dead guys.

The two dead suspects names do not lead to a motive. So scratch Arabic name according to that report on CNN.

(12-02-2015 06:53 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  So Muslims or right wing?

Right wing? Wtf Mach? Name one.

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