(11-11-2015 10:36 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  I get it. You believe that people with copper chisels and stone rocks for hammers knew the curvature of the earth, The speed of light, the distance form the sun, ect.

(11-11-2015 10:59 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  What (non-imaginary, mind you) contrary evidence would you find persuasive?

Are you suggesting these things are not built into the structure?

(11-11-2015 10:58 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 10:56 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  I think everyone agrees that you "believe"

No doubt.

I believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that is what most of this is really about for you and Miko.

Not pyramids.

I think everyone can see that pretty clearly.

Not at all eric. I did not invoke God into the discussion of the pyramids. You originally implied it earlier and then appeared to back off that claim in favor of a mysterious advanced civilization lost to time. I think the latter hypothesis is absurd because there is zero evidence of any advanced civilizations before the earliest known civilizations of the Sumerians, Egyptians and the Indians (China maybe also?) - all roughly around 4000 BC at the earliest known points in time.

(11-11-2015 11:03 AM)miko33 Wrote:  You originally implied it earlier and then appeared to back off that claim in favor of a mysterious advanced civilization lost to time.

I never implied it was God at all, you simply wanted me to so badly that you read that into it. (Illustrating post #119 again)

I said scientists tell us Egyptians did it, with no outside help. I don't believe the Egyptians even built it.

I believe its likely another civilization built it, but I don't know.

I have serious doubts the Egyptians had the knowledge to build that thing.

(11-11-2015 11:02 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Are you suggesting these things are not built into the structure?

I'm not following. What things are not built into the Great Pyramid?

(11-11-2015 11:12 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 11:02 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Are you suggesting these things are not built into the structure?

I'm not following. What things are not built into the Great Pyramid?

The knowledge of the curvature of the earth, the distance from the sun, the speed of light, ect.

There must be a million things built into the structure that Egyptians from 4500 years ago could not possible have known.

How can you ask that question? Have you even looked into this beyond a 30 second google search?

Skip to the 2:50 mark if you have have a short attention span.

(11-11-2015 11:15 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 11:12 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 11:02 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Are you suggesting these things are not built into the structure?

I'm not following. What things are not built into the Great Pyramid?

The knowledge of the curvature of the earth, the distance from the sun, the speed of light, ect.

There must be a million things built into the structure that Egyptians from 4500 years ago could not possible have known.

How can you ask that question? Have you even looked into this beyond a 30 second google search?

I'm going to point out "....must be a million....."

maybe I'll start smoking a wee bit in the earl'.......

thank you for entertaining......

(11-11-2015 11:07 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 11:03 AM)miko33 Wrote:  You originally implied it earlier and then appeared to back off that claim in favor of a mysterious advanced civilization lost to time.

When did I back off that theory?

I must have missed that post.

I believe its possible, but I don't know.

I have serious doubts the Egyptians had the knowledge to build that thing.

and there you have it....

I warned ya pal.....

it's always the smarmy that enters and can't escape....

The 1:58 mark is an excellent example of making up facts to fit your argument. Honestly go back and watch that.

(11-11-2015 11:32 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The 1:58 mark is an excellent example of making up facts to fit your argument. Honestly go back and watch that.

Most of the math he is illustrating is well know by almost all archaeologist and scholars.

There is a mountain of info out there on this stuff.

They know it was built into the structure, they simply tell us the Egyptians knew all these things.

(11-11-2015 11:15 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  There must be a million things built into the structure that Egyptians from 4500 years ago could not possible have known.

Except that Egyptoligists, scientists, historians, archaeologists, laymen, and even ancient Egyptians themselves who wrote that they built the pyramids, that the pyramids were built by Egyptians, and it has been pretty conclusively proven that the technology required to build massive stone complexes, while advanced, is not out of the ordinary.

You're swimming uphill with your theories that Egyptians just "could not possible have known." Man landed on the moon with less technology than what's in a high schooler's graphing calculator. Galileo used nothing but observational astronomy and a telescope to plot the phases of Venus. Archimedes plotted Pi with a quill pen and lambskin.

Science can provide millions of examples of things that people "could not possible have known." Why are stone blocks heaved into a pyramid so outrageous?

(11-11-2015 11:39 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 11:15 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  There must be a million things built into the structure that Egyptians from 4500 years ago could not possible have known.

Except that Egyptoligists, scientists, historians, archaeologists, laymen, and even ancient Egyptians themselves who wrote that they built the pyramids, that the pyramids were built by Egyptians, and it has been pretty conclusively proven that the technology required to build massive stone complexes, while advanced, is not out of the ordinary.

You're swimming uphill with your theories that Egyptians just "could not possible have known." Man landed on the moon with less technology than what's in a high schooler's graphing calculator. Galileo used nothing but observational astronomy and a telescope to plot the phases of Venus. Archimedes plotted Pi with a quill pen and lambskin.

Science can provide millions of examples of things that people "could not possible have known." Why are stone blocks heaved into a pyramid so outrageous?

stop confusing bibbles with factual babble.....some bibbles will always be bibbles...

(11-11-2015 11:39 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 11:15 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  There must be a million things built into the structure that Egyptians from 4500 years ago could not possible have known.

Except that Egyptoligists, scientists, historians, archaeologists, laymen, and even ancient Egyptians themselves who wrote that they built the pyramids, that the pyramids were built by Egyptians, and it has been pretty conclusively proven that the technology required to build massive stone complexes, while advanced, is not out of the ordinary.

Stanley, no one is arguing that is not the most accepted theory right now in academic circles.

The point here is this doesn't make any sense. How can Egyptians from 4500 years ago know these things?

How did they know the earth was round? How did they know the earth orbited the sun? How did they calculate the curvature of the earth? The size of the earth? How did they calculate the distance form the sun? How did they know the longitude and latitude of the whole earth? How did they know the exact measurement of the Speed of Light?

If they knew all these things, why were they using copper chisels and stone rocks for hammers?

The Great Pyramid is more perfectly constructed than any modern building.

(11-11-2015 11:48 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 11:39 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 11:15 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  There must be a million things built into the structure that Egyptians from 4500 years ago could not possible have known.

Except that Egyptoligists, scientists, historians, archaeologists, laymen, and even ancient Egyptians themselves who wrote that they built the pyramids, that the pyramids were built by Egyptians, and it has been pretty conclusively proven that the technology required to build massive stone complexes, while advanced, is not out of the ordinary.

Stanley, no one is arguing that is not the most accepted theory right now in academic circles.

The point here is this doesn't make any sense. How can Egyptians from 4500 years ago know these things?

How did they know the earth was round? How did they know the earth orbited the sun? How did they calculate the curvature of the earth? The size of the earth? How did they calculate the distance form the sun? How did they know the longitude and latitude of the whole earth? How did they know the exact measurement of the Speed of Light?

If they knew all these things, why were they using copper chisels and stone rocks for hammers?

The Great Pyramid is more perfectly constructed than any modern building.

so tell us all fit, how does the lack of the industrial revolution apply to understanding and developing the beginning of geometry?

my nutz are tickled now...

(11-11-2015 11:15 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 11:12 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 11:02 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Are you suggesting these things are not built into the structure?

I'm not following. What things are not built into the Great Pyramid?

The knowledge of the curvature of the earth, the distance from the sun, the speed of light, ect.

There must be a million things built into the structure that Egyptians from 4500 years ago could not possible have known.

How can you ask that question? Have you even looked into this beyond a 30 second google search?

I looked into it a little during lunch and most of this is pretty flimsy at best. It's interesting but not totally convincing, no. And they have found hieroglyphs in the Great Pyramid BTW.

(11-11-2015 11:39 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  You're swimming uphill with your theories that Egyptians just "could not possible have known." Man landed on the moon with less technology than what's in a high schooler's graphing calculator. Galileo used nothing but observational astronomy and a telescope to plot the phases of Venus. Archimedes plotted Pi with a quill pen and lambskin.

A calculator does NOT have the technology to escape the earths atmosphere and safely return humans being built into it.

That was a huge overstatement.

It took mankind thousands of years of civilization to leave the earth and land on the moon.

You are conflating the technology of the on 1960's board computer to the overall knowledge and technology need to reach the moon.

(11-11-2015 11:43 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Stanley, no one is arguing that is the most accepted theory right now in academic circles.

You are.....

(11-11-2015 11:43 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  The point here is this doesn't make any sense. How can Egyptians from 4500 years ago know these things?

In the same way the examples I provided above with the Moon landing, Galileo and Archimedes: via the scientific method.

(11-11-2015 11:43 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  How did they know the earth was round? How did they know the earth orbited the sun? How did they calculate the curvature of the earth? The size of the earth? How did they calculate the distance form the sun? How did they know the longitude and latitude of the whole earth? How did they know the exact measurement of the Speed of Light?

You keep using these rather esoteric examples of why they couldn't build the Pyramids, as if knowing the the speed of light is required to place a level block. The builders of the pyramids needed to know how to: level the base (simple as pie, using water) align the edges (using string lines, just like a modern landscaper laying a stone wall) and then stack the blocks (using water power, lever power, or man power.) As long as they kept rigor in their measurements and "measure twice, cut once" this is nothing more than stacked stones one atop the next in a pyramid shape. Pretty straightforward, actually.

(11-11-2015 11:43 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  How did they move these Stone blocks that cranes today can't even lift?

A cadre of skilled workers, tens of thousands of farmworkers picking up extra money and religious karma in the off-season, and a combination of brute strength, lever technology, and water.

(11-11-2015 11:43 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Its more perfectly constructed than any modern building.

Well, you show me a stone pyramid built in 2015 requiring the same tolerances and having the same budget as the Great Pyramid of Egypt, and I will show you a stone pyramid build better than the Great Pyramid of Egypt.

(11-11-2015 11:58 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 11:39 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  You're swimming uphill with your theories that Egyptians just "could not possible have known." Man landed on the moon with less technology than what's in a high schooler's graphing calculator. Galileo used nothing but observational astronomy and a telescope to plot the phases of Venus. Archimedes plotted Pi with a quill pen and lambskin.

A calculator does NOT have the technology to escape the earths atmosphere and safely return humans being built into it.

That was a huge overstatement.

It took mankind thousands of years of civilization to leave the earth and land on the moon.

You are conflating the technology of the on 1960's board computer to the overall knowledge and technology need to reach the moon.

keep diggin' son....you're doin' jis fin'

(11-11-2015 11:57 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  I looked into it a little during lunch and most of this is pretty flimsy at best. It's interesting but not totally convincing, no. And they have found hieroglyphs in the Great Pyramid BTW.

No, there are zero burial hieroglyphs on the walls all through the structure, They are barren. There are a few hieroglyphs scratched in a few deep hidden chambers, along with a lot of other graffiti.

All the other pyramids are covered in hieroglyphs. Every single inch of wall space is covered with them.

The interior of the GP is barren. Even in the King and Queens chambers.

(11-11-2015 11:59 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 11:43 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Stanley, no one is arguing that is the most accepted theory right now in academic circles.

You are.....

Are you just trolling now?

When did I argue that the currently accepted theory is NOT the Egyptians?