(11-09-2015 06:56 AM)ODU06 Wrote:  If he didn't believe the holocaust happened, would you also find that irrelevant?
If he believed that George Washington was actually an alien from the planet Zarxbaro, would you also find that irrelevant?

But he doesn't believe those things, does he?

And they didn't happen thousands of years ago, did they?

I said from the first day Carson announced his run that he would have to answer questions about his 7DA faith and the contradictions between it and modern science. I still find it troubling that a man of science like Dr. Carson can hold those beliefs. Maybe he cherry picks his denominations tenants like most of us? If so? He needs to relay that. As it now stands...He is a biblical literalist that believe the Genesis story verbatim and believes the earth is 6000 years old. He now also believes the Pyramids were built to hold grain. We have plenty of evidence that is simply not true. At this point I disqualify him from my vote base on this. I am though open to hearing more from him and changing my view if he can explain himself to my satisfaction.

(11-09-2015 12:41 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I said from the first day Carson announced his run that he would have to answer questions about his 7DA faith and the contradictions between it and modern science. I still find it troubling that a man of science like Dr. Carson can hold those beliefs. Maybe he cherry picks his denominations tenants like most of us? If so? He needs to relay that. As it now stands...He is a biblical literalist that believe the Genesis story verbatim and believes the earth is 6000 years old. He now also believes the Pyramids were built to hold grain. We have plenty of evidence that is simply not true. At this point I disqualify him from my vote base on this. I am though open to hearing more from him and changing my view if he can explain himself to my satisfaction.

What significant policies do you see being affected by the age of the earth or the purpose of the pyramids?

(11-09-2015 01:14 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 12:41 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I said from the first day Carson announced his run that he would have to answer questions about his 7DA faith and the contradictions between it and modern science. I still find it troubling that a man of science like Dr. Carson can hold those beliefs. Maybe he cherry picks his denominations tenants like most of us? If so? He needs to relay that. As it now stands...He is a biblical literalist that believe the Genesis story verbatim and believes the earth is 6000 years old. He now also believes the Pyramids were built to hold grain. We have plenty of evidence that is simply not true. At this point I disqualify him from my vote base on this. I am though open to hearing more from him and changing my view if he can explain himself to my satisfaction.

What significant policies do you see being affected by the age of the earth or the purpose of the pyramids?

To hell with policies...it speaks to judgement more than anything. His grain pyramid theory make no sense to anyone with a brain.

(11-09-2015 01:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 01:14 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 12:41 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I said from the first day Carson announced his run that he would have to answer questions about his 7DA faith and the contradictions between it and modern science. I still find it troubling that a man of science like Dr. Carson can hold those beliefs. Maybe he cherry picks his denominations tenants like most of us? If so? He needs to relay that. As it now stands...He is a biblical literalist that believe the Genesis story verbatim and believes the earth is 6000 years old. He now also believes the Pyramids were built to hold grain. We have plenty of evidence that is simply not true. At this point I disqualify him from my vote base on this. I am though open to hearing more from him and changing my view if he can explain himself to my satisfaction.

What significant policies do you see being affected by the age of the earth or the purpose of the pyramids?

To hell with policies...it speaks to judgement more than anything. His grain pyramid theory make no sense to anyone with a brain.

I have to agree with RWT on this one. If you put your head in the sand and willfully ignore documented proof and the historical record on what the pyramids were used for, then what ELSE will you blatantly ignore in order to fit your personal beliefs?

To me, something like this is no different than "character matters". I'll bet many who think this is overblown were also on the other side of the fence when they railed against Bill C's lack of character. I believe character matters and I believe that having good judgement does too. Ben may have the character, but his judgement on things that I see is suspect.

(11-09-2015 01:25 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 01:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 01:14 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 12:41 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I said from the first day Carson announced his run that he would have to answer questions about his 7DA faith and the contradictions between it and modern science. I still find it troubling that a man of science like Dr. Carson can hold those beliefs. Maybe he cherry picks his denominations tenants like most of us? If so? He needs to relay that. As it now stands...He is a biblical literalist that believe the Genesis story verbatim and believes the earth is 6000 years old. He now also believes the Pyramids were built to hold grain. We have plenty of evidence that is simply not true. At this point I disqualify him from my vote base on this. I am though open to hearing more from him and changing my view if he can explain himself to my satisfaction.

What significant policies do you see being affected by the age of the earth or the purpose of the pyramids?

To hell with policies...it speaks to judgement more than anything. His grain pyramid theory make no sense to anyone with a brain.

I have to agree with RWT on this one. If you put your head in the sand and willfully ignore documented proof and the historical record on what the pyramids were used for, then what ELSE will you blatantly ignore in order to fit your personal beliefs?

To me, something like this is no different than "character matters". I'll bet many who think this is overblown were also on the other side of the fence when they railed against Bill C's lack of character. I believe character matters and I believe that having good judgement does too. Ben may have the character, but his judgement on things that I see is suspect.

XACLY!

(11-09-2015 01:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  To hell with policies...it speaks to judgement more than anything. His grain pyramid theory make no sense to anyone with a brain.

So what difference does it make? How the hell does that impact me?

To set the record straight, I am not a Carson supporter. I don't think he is ready for the presidential spotlight. I would expect that a Carson administration would be four years of debating stupid stuff like this instead of focusing on serious issues, and I don't think that's what we need.

But it's crap like this that has no bearing on anything relevant that is scaring decent people off from running, and that strikes me as wrong headed.

As far as judgement, I'm far more concerned about someone who thinks Obamacare can work than I am about someone's beliefs about the pyramids.

(11-09-2015 01:37 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 01:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  To hell with policies...it speaks to judgement more than anything. His grain pyramid theory make no sense to anyone with a brain.

So what difference does it make? How the hell does that impact me?

To set the record straight, I am not a Carson supporter. I don't think he is ready for the presidential spotlight. I would expect that a Carson administration would be four years of debating stupid stuff like this instead of focusing on serious issues, and I don't think that's what we need.

But it's crap like this that has no bearing on anything relevant that is scaring decent people off from running, and that strikes me as wrong headed.

As far as judgement, I'm far more concerned about someone who thinks Obamacare can work than I am about someone's beliefs about the pyramids.

I'm in your camp....

I just don't know how to fight it anymore.....

it won't be too much longer before I exit this board.....

I wish it was different....

(11-09-2015 01:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 01:14 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 12:41 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I said from the first day Carson announced his run that he would have to answer questions about his 7DA faith and the contradictions between it and modern science. I still find it troubling that a man of science like Dr. Carson can hold those beliefs. Maybe he cherry picks his denominations tenants like most of us? If so? He needs to relay that. As it now stands...He is a biblical literalist that believe the Genesis story verbatim and believes the earth is 6000 years old. He now also believes the Pyramids were built to hold grain. We have plenty of evidence that is simply not true. At this point I disqualify him from my vote base on this. I am though open to hearing more from him and changing my view if he can explain himself to my satisfaction.

What significant policies do you see being affected by the age of the earth or the purpose of the pyramids?

To hell with policies...it speaks to judgement more than anything. His grain pyramid theory make no sense to anyone with a brain.

Benjamin of Tudela?

Of course it matters. Hes rejecting sound evidence, history, and rational thinking . Im sure Egypt loves this bastardizing of their culture.

The holocaust got mentioned?

Godwin's law in full effect I see.

Oh, you people.

(11-09-2015 01:37 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 01:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  To hell with policies...it speaks to judgement more than anything. His grain pyramid theory make no sense to anyone with a brain.

So what difference does it make? How the hell does that impact me?

To set the record straight, I am not a Carson supporter. I don't think he is ready for the presidential spotlight. I would expect that a Carson administration would be four years of debating stupid stuff like this instead of focusing on serious issues, and I don't think that's what we need.

But it's crap like this that has no bearing on anything relevant that is scaring decent people off from running, and that strikes me as wrong headed.

As far as judgement, I'm far more concerned about someone who thinks Obamacare can work than I am about someone's beliefs about the pyramids.

I understand your point. I just am perplexed by Carson. Im not even sure all of what is being reported is accurate. I would like the Dr. to address these things and put them to bed because they are not going away. I have no problem BTW with him saying that he firmly follows the tenets of the 7DA. I support religious freedom as long as the principle of non aggression is not violated. I just would not vote for someone with those views to be the leader of the free world. As you point out...It will be a constant issue throughout the term of office and a distraction.

Carson is an intelligent man. He had to know that his affiliation with the 7DA was going to be a issue. He should already have headed this off before now.

(11-09-2015 07:36 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 06:56 AM)ODU06 Wrote:  If he didn't believe the holocaust happened, would you also find that irrelevant?
If he believed that George Washington was actually an alien from the planet Zarxbaro, would you also find that irrelevant?

But he doesn't believe those things, does he?

And they didn't happen thousands of years ago, did they?

(1) I have no idea if he believes those things. I would hope not.

(2) No, they did not. Actually, in one case, GW being an alien, there's no evidence to suggest it ever happened at all. Just like Joseph building the pyramids.

So, I'm just trying to ascertain your position. Throughout this thread you seem to be insinuating that you don't care about a candidates beliefs unless they directly affect an issue. So my question was to see how far that position extends and if it's an absolute. Or, rather, does it only apply to things that happened (or are alleged by a candidate to have happened thousands of years ago?

(11-10-2015 08:18 AM)ODU06 Wrote:  So, I'm just trying to ascertain your position. Throughout this thread you seem to be insinuating that you don't care about a candidates beliefs unless they directly affect an issue.

That's pretty much my position. I can see where insisting that the holocaust never happened could affect any number of today's issues, therefore that would be one that I would care about. I don't quite know how George Washington's being an alien would affect any of today's issues, but if that were germane to an issue today, I would care about it. If Carson were proposing that our education system teach exclusively a 7DA view of history, then his views on the pyramids would be relevant, but I've seen nothing to suggest that he is going in that direction, and I'm pretty sure that he won't.

I really don't give so much as a rat's ass about what anyone believes as long as it doesn't affect issues that matter today. I would expand your statement slightly to say that I would care about indirect effects as well, but otherwise I pretty much agree with the position as you stated it.

I simply have a hard time getting on board with any candidate that expounds views that border on Alien abduction. I hope at some point Dr. Carson will set the record straight on this stuff. If not? He is done.

I don't believe Joseph built the pyramids. By all accounts, the Pyramids were already there when he entered the land and had been there for many centuries.

But I also refuse to pretend the Egyptians built the Great Pyramid. Its is WELL beyond their knowledge and capabilities imo.

The other pyramids are very simple in design compared to the great pyramid.

The base of the great pyramid is not strait, it is curved, and its curved to the precise curvature of THE EARTH. It also has the distance between the earth and the sun built into it, and about a million other totally impossible things.

Scientists expect us to believe men 4500 years ago with copper chisels and a stone rock for a hammer knew the curvature of the Earth, the Distance from the sun, and the exact speed of light, ect.

With no outside help, ie no aliens, no help from God.

I'm not buying it

Dems believe in re-distribution, socialism, that health care, education and a myriad of other things should and can be FREE.

Who's crazy beliefs are in question again?

(11-11-2015 07:31 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Dems believe in re-distribution, socialism, that health care, education and a myriad of other things should and can be FREE.

Who's crazy beliefs are in question again?

Don't forget that Democrat held states and cities are sanctuaries for criminal immigrants, students of Dr. Mengele, perverts, wankers, tossers and reprobates.

Who's crazy beliefs are in question again?

(11-11-2015 02:25 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  The base of the great pyramid is not strait, it is curved, and its curved to the precise curvature of THE EARTH. It also has the distance between the earth and the sun built into it, and about a million other totally impossible things.

Scientists expect us to believe men 4500 years ago with copper chisels and a stone rock for a hammer knew the curvature of the Earth, the Distance from the sun, and the exact speed of light, ect.

With no outside help, ie no aliens, no help from God.

I'm not buying it

wow.....it's a simple measurable based on geometry....I don't think the bibble defined geometry....what's cool, is the simpletons figured it out....

god and aliens showed 'em how....that's it....

kooks.....you guys are funny....

I just heard the red state trumpets blare....oh, never mind....it was a train.....