Badly needed win but too much uneven play (and play calling) to earn many style points this late in the season.

(11-10-2015 11:49 PM)tjt1980 Wrote:  After I decided to stop being frustrated with the team and the accept them for who they are, I found reading this thread to be absolutely hilarious. Thanks everyone for the laughs.

I cannot figure out who they are?

(11-10-2015 11:49 PM)RocketBBallFan Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 11:45 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  We really are the worst [edit] coached 8-1 team in the country. I'm sure O'Brien will announce another extension for Campbell tomorrow.

I'm glad we won. But it wasn't pretty, and hasn't been for awhile. I want to chalk it up to a hangover from the meltdown against Northern combined with looking ahead to BG...but we had a 21-0 lead, so that can't be the excuse.

I don't understand how fans can be so upset after victories. I choose to just enjoy them. It is a very enjoyable fan experience. Go Rockets!

Because it should be about the pursuit of excellence. Not "just good enough". And I put that on the coaches. If they start to doubt their own team and play not to lose, then I think we fall short of pursuing excellence. Acceptance of anything less breeds 2nd place finishes. Just my opinion.

First quarter - felt good to have all the calls going our way. After that, we have two interceptions in one of CMU's possessions - and they end up with a TD. I also want somebody from the NCAA to describe to me how the ball is marked when a guy is tackled out of bounds - or runs out of bounds with the ball. I replayed 3 separate plays and all of them were marked wrong - so I need to understand how the ball can be advanced when the player is out of bounds with the ball in his possession - but has not stepped out of bounds yet. If he can get forward progress on an out of bounds play - they why can't he be hit when he is out of bounds to prevent the yardage from being gained. Since when does the sidelines provide a player with the ability to gain yards without worrying about being hit and stopped?

(11-10-2015 11:52 PM)NewMex RocketFan Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 11:49 PM)tjt1980 Wrote:  After I decided to stop being frustrated with the team and the accept them for who they are, I found reading this thread to be absolutely hilarious. Thanks everyone for the laughs.

I cannot figure out who they are?

They're a team with a solid head coach, but a terrible OC who happens to be the HC's best friend. The talent is high, but psychologically the players get beat up throughout the course of the game when even they can see that the coaches purposely avoid their strength, as if they are trying to "trick" the opponent. They're a team that the conference officials obviously hate. I watch a lot of MAC games, and there isn't a single team in the MAC that gets, or doesn't get, the calls that we get. The skipped reviews for obvious turnovers and the phantom penalties at critical times. It's bad. This is who they are. Enough talent on the field to compete, but not enough brains or courage on the sideline or in the press box to win a championship.

(11-10-2015 11:51 PM)tjt1980 Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 11:50 PM)NewMex RocketFan Wrote:  Jason Candle being interviewed post-game. This should be interesting.

Hopefully MC said, "I'm not taking the heat for your stupidity. You go out there."

best..quote...ever...

(11-10-2015 11:58 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  First quarter - felt good to have all the calls going our way. After that, we have two interceptions in one of CMU's possessions - and they end up with a TD. I also want somebody from the NCAA to describe to me how the ball is marked when a guy is tackled out of bounds - or runs out of bounds with the ball. I replayed 3 separate plays and all of them were marked wrong - so I need to understand how the ball can be advanced when the player is out of bounds with the ball in his possession - but has not stepped out of bounds yet. If he can get forward progress on an out of bounds play - they why can't he be hit when he is out of bounds to prevent the yardage from being gained. Since when does the sidelines provide a player with the ability to gain yards without worrying about being hit and stopped?

And I think they may well have blown the non-interception call on Whitaker.

(11-10-2015 11:55 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 11:49 PM)RocketBBallFan Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 11:45 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  We really are the worst [edit] coached 8-1 team in the country. I'm sure O'Brien will announce another extension for Campbell tomorrow.

I'm glad we won. But it wasn't pretty, and hasn't been for awhile. I want to chalk it up to a hangover from the meltdown against Northern combined with looking ahead to BG...but we had a 21-0 lead, so that can't be the excuse.

I don't understand how fans can be so upset after victories. I choose to just enjoy them. It is a very enjoyable fan experience. Go Rockets!

Because it should be about the pursuit of excellence. Not "just good enough". And I put that on the coaches. If they start to doubt their own team and play not to lose, then I think we fall short of pursuing excellence. Acceptance of anything less breeds 2nd place finishes. Just my opinion.

8-1 is 8-1 and there aren't many 8-1 teams left but for us old codgers this practice of turning laughers into nail biters is bad for the heart. Big plus is that Hunt sort of looked like Hunt in the fourth. He just had that "dare you to stop me" look back. Jameson Vest proved that he is a freshman. Glad we got out with a nice road win. Now we need BG to beat Western and Western to beat BG and we'll be OK.

I can understand if fans are upset after a close win against a bad team, but Central was a contender for the MAC championship, and we won at their place. That's just a big win any way you look at it. Sure, we were outplayed in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, but we showed a lot of heart in not folding after we lost the momentum. Great win for the Rockets. Our championship hopes remain alive.

(11-11-2015 12:00 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 11:55 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 11:49 PM)RocketBBallFan Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 11:45 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  We really are the worst [edit] coached 8-1 team in the country. I'm sure O'Brien will announce another extension for Campbell tomorrow.

I'm glad we won. But it wasn't pretty, and hasn't been for awhile. I want to chalk it up to a hangover from the meltdown against Northern combined with looking ahead to BG...but we had a 21-0 lead, so that can't be the excuse.

I don't understand how fans can be so upset after victories. I choose to just enjoy them. It is a very enjoyable fan experience. Go Rockets!

Because it should be about the pursuit of excellence. Not "just good enough". And I put that on the coaches. If they start to doubt their own team and play not to lose, then I think we fall short of pursuing excellence. Acceptance of anything less breeds 2nd place finishes. Just my opinion.

8-1 is 8-1 and there aren't many 8-1 teams left but for us old codgers this practice of turning laughers into nail biters is bad for the heart. Big plus is that Hunt sort of looked like Hunt in the fourth. He just had that "dare you to stop me" look back. Jameson Vest proved that he is a freshman. Glad we got out with a nice road win. Now we need BG to beat Western and Western to beat BG and we'll be OK.

If we need both of those to happen we're screwed.

(11-11-2015 12:00 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 11:55 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 11:49 PM)RocketBBallFan Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 11:45 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  We really are the worst [edit] coached 8-1 team in the country. I'm sure O'Brien will announce another extension for Campbell tomorrow.

I'm glad we won. But it wasn't pretty, and hasn't been for awhile. I want to chalk it up to a hangover from the meltdown against Northern combined with looking ahead to BG...but we had a 21-0 lead, so that can't be the excuse.

I don't understand how fans can be so upset after victories. I choose to just enjoy them. It is a very enjoyable fan experience. Go Rockets!

Because it should be about the pursuit of excellence. Not "just good enough". And I put that on the coaches. If they start to doubt their own team and play not to lose, then I think we fall short of pursuing excellence. Acceptance of anything less breeds 2nd place finishes. Just my opinion.

8-1 is 8-1 and there aren't many 8-1 teams left but for us old codgers this practice of turning laughers into nail biters is bad for the heart. Big plus is that Hunt sort of looked like Hunt in the fourth. He just had that "dare you to stop me" look back. Jameson Vest proved that he is a freshman. Glad we got out with a nice road win. Now we need BG to beat Western and Western to beat BG and we'll be OK.

huh? I know that was probably intentional, so I think you are saying you want BG to win so that Western gets a MAC loss - but BG doesn't get credit for the win. Have to pull for BG and another loss by NIU. That means we could still lose to BG and then beat WMU and take the West - I think. We would only have 1 loss in the West which may take the tiebreaker over NIU of teams with 2 losses. We would win the head to head over WMU and CMU. That may not be correct, but I'll go with it. I just don't feel confident we will beat BG this year unless we can get out to a 70 point lead heading into the 4th.

(11-10-2015 11:55 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 11:49 PM)RocketBBallFan Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 11:45 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  We really are the worst [edit] coached 8-1 team in the country. I'm sure O'Brien will announce another extension for Campbell tomorrow.

I'm glad we won. But it wasn't pretty, and hasn't been for awhile. I want to chalk it up to a hangover from the meltdown against Northern combined with looking ahead to BG...but we had a 21-0 lead, so that can't be the excuse.

I don't understand how fans can be so upset after victories. I choose to just enjoy them. It is a very enjoyable fan experience. Go Rockets!

Because it should be about the pursuit of excellence. Not "just good enough". And I put that on the coaches. If they start to doubt their own team and play not to lose, then I think we fall short of pursuing excellence. Acceptance of anything less breeds 2nd place finishes. Just my opinion.

These guys grew up in a program where perfection was the only choice. Maybe they're still iffy on game time adjustments, etc..., but settling for less than the pursuit of excellence isn't their mindset.

Thank you, hope we can take it from here.

(11-11-2015 12:07 AM)MotoRocket Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 12:00 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 11:55 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 11:49 PM)RocketBBallFan Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 11:45 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  We really are the worst [edit] coached 8-1 team in the country. I'm sure O'Brien will announce another extension for Campbell tomorrow.

I'm glad we won. But it wasn't pretty, and hasn't been for awhile. I want to chalk it up to a hangover from the meltdown against Northern combined with looking ahead to BG...but we had a 21-0 lead, so that can't be the excuse.

I don't understand how fans can be so upset after victories. I choose to just enjoy them. It is a very enjoyable fan experience. Go Rockets!

Because it should be about the pursuit of excellence. Not "just good enough". And I put that on the coaches. If they start to doubt their own team and play not to lose, then I think we fall short of pursuing excellence. Acceptance of anything less breeds 2nd place finishes. Just my opinion.

8-1 is 8-1 and there aren't many 8-1 teams left but for us old codgers this practice of turning laughers into nail biters is bad for the heart. Big plus is that Hunt sort of looked like Hunt in the fourth. He just had that "dare you to stop me" look back. Jameson Vest proved that he is a freshman. Glad we got out with a nice road win. Now we need BG to beat Western and Western to beat BG and we'll be OK.

huh? I know that was probably intentional, so I think you are saying you want BG to win so that Western gets a MAC loss - but BG doesn't get credit for the win. Have to pull for BG and another loss by NIU. That means we could still lose to BG and then beat WMU and take the West - I think. We would only have 1 loss in the West which may take the tiebreaker over NIU of teams with 2 losses. We would win the head to head over WMU and CMU. That may not be correct, but I'll go with it. I just don't feel confident we will beat BG this year unless we can get out to a 70 point lead heading into the 4th.

Yeah, I just can't bring myself to root for BG but I have to.

(11-11-2015 12:00 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 11:58 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  First quarter - felt good to have all the calls going our way. After that, we have two interceptions in one of CMU's possessions - and they end up with a TD. I also want somebody from the NCAA to describe to me how the ball is marked when a guy is tackled out of bounds - or runs out of bounds with the ball. I replayed 3 separate plays and all of them were marked wrong - so I need to understand how the ball can be advanced when the player is out of bounds with the ball in his possession - but has not stepped out of bounds yet. If he can get forward progress on an out of bounds play - they why can't he be hit when he is out of bounds to prevent the yardage from being gained. Since when does the sidelines provide a player with the ability to gain yards without worrying about being hit and stopped?

And I think they may well have blown the non-interception call on Whitaker.

I thought for sure that was an interception, and wondered why they didn't call a timeout to have them look at that again.

(11-11-2015 12:28 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 12:00 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 11:58 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  First quarter - felt good to have all the calls going our way. After that, we have two interceptions in one of CMU's possessions - and they end up with a TD. I also want somebody from the NCAA to describe to me how the ball is marked when a guy is tackled out of bounds - or runs out of bounds with the ball. I replayed 3 separate plays and all of them were marked wrong - so I need to understand how the ball can be advanced when the player is out of bounds with the ball in his possession - but has not stepped out of bounds yet. If he can get forward progress on an out of bounds play - they why can't he be hit when he is out of bounds to prevent the yardage from being gained. Since when does the sidelines provide a player with the ability to gain yards without worrying about being hit and stopped?

And I think they may well have blown the non-interception call on Whitaker.

I thought for sure that was an interception, and wondered why they didn't call a timeout to have them look at that again.

Because our coach gets screwed over and he just nods approval and chews on his gum and looks at the laminated plays hooked to his pants. It's not like anyone died or anything...

(11-11-2015 12:10 AM)sarasotahuskie Wrote:  Thank you, hope we can take it from here.

+1

Congratulations for the win.

Toledo has the skill to win the next two games and repeat the Toledo 2000 performance with a 10-1 record. This time you will go bowling unlike 2000.
Remember WMU beat Toledo at Waldo in 2000.
You have 5 straight wins over BGSU.
You now have 6 straight wins over CMU.
Toledo does not need any encouragement for the BGSU game.
In all probability Toledo will play very well and have 6 straight wins over BGSU.
Good luck for the BGSU,WMU games and the post season.

(11-10-2015 11:49 PM)tjt1980 Wrote:  After I decided to stop being frustrated with the team and the accept them for who they are, I found reading this thread to be absolutely hilarious. Thanks everyone for the laughs.

Good job, congratulations. Now that you have figured out who they are please share your insights because one quarter they look like Dr. Jekyll and the next they look like Mr. Hyde to me----one team with several contrasting personas. Fortunately they have enough talent to be 8-1 even with Mr. Hyde becoming the more dominant persona as the season moves on.

(11-11-2015 12:35 AM)T-Town Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 11:49 PM)tjt1980 Wrote:  After I decided to stop being frustrated with the team and the accept them for who they are, I found reading this thread to be absolutely hilarious. Thanks everyone for the laughs.

Good job, congratulations. Now that you have figured out who they are please share your insights because one quarter they look like Dr. Jekyll and the next they look like Mr. Hyde to me----one team with several contrasting personas. Fortunately they have enough talent to be 8-1 even with Mr. Hyde becoming the more dominant persona as the season moves on.

I answered this exact question shortly after in the same thread.

(11-11-2015 12:35 AM)T-Town Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 11:49 PM)tjt1980 Wrote:  After I decided to stop being frustrated with the team and the accept them for who they are, I found reading this thread to be absolutely hilarious. Thanks everyone for the laughs.

Good job, congratulations. Now that you have figured out who they are please share your insights because one quarter they look like Dr. Jekyll and the next they look like Mr. Hyde to me----one team with several contrasting personas. Fortunately they have enough talent to be 8-1 even with Mr. Hyde becoming the more dominant persona as the season moves on.

Well that sounds like most college football teams.