I hope he never needs another college FB HC job. Any administration would have to think long and hard about hiring him.

He was put in something of a bad spot. He had to back his players if he wants to have any luck recruiting in the near future. But it still seems like the school president is his boss and he should be supporting his boss or at least staying noticeably silent.

A mess of a situation. If he doesn't back the players, he's signing his death warrant.

The next question is, how many of his players was he backing. Word was the boycott was far from unanimous and far from popular with a great many players.

(11-09-2015 04:47 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  The next question is, how many of his players was he backing. Word was the boycott was far from unanimous and far from popular with a great many players.

I hope BYU blasts them and I am not a BYU fan.

This is going to start a slippery slope.
Former Mizzou Tiger commented that yes it's great you're taking a stand but are you giving up the free meals, stipend and clothes as well?

If you want to protest that's fine but there has to be a line drawn between the sports world and life. They essentially hold the college hostage by staging walkouts or forfeits. Lose the college money and you will start to see scholarship money reduced and may end up costing yourself a shot at a free education. Scholarships will start to include a protest clause.

I applaud the young men that did the protesting and the men and women that supported them - especially the coach. Although this was not a unanimous decision, even among the Black players on the team, to see someone who is willing to give up a life of relative collegiate comfort and use what notoriety they have to bring about a change they see as bigger than their personal situation is admirable. Wish there were more people like those involved, h3ll, I wonder if I could say unequivocally that I would do the same thing.

That said, this situation was much bigger than the racial aspect being highlighted. The academicians didn't trust him, the grad students were ticked at him and there were several other issues at play. And all of the groups felt that Prez just patronized them and paid lip service with nothing of substance behind it. Unfortunately, racial division sells so that is what the lead is.

With all that said, all other things being equal, I would hire Pinkel in a heart beat. A coach that will teach these young men to follow your moral compass not the material aspects you may lose? What a refreshing lesson in collegiate athletics. Congrats Coach Pinkel on supporting your charges in the real world and being a true mentor that's worried about more than wins and losses.

And lest we forget, sports has very very often led social change in this country far more effectively than almost any other medium. From the Negro League baseballers to Cassius Clay (or Muhammad Ali) to Jim Brown to Texas Western to Lew Alcindor and Oscar Robertson to Arthur Ashe to Maria Navratilova to James Harris to Jesse Owens to Ray Rice to Northwestern football

(11-09-2015 05:50 PM)Cal1362 Wrote:  I applaud the young men that did the protesting and the men and women that supported them - especially the coach. Although this was not a unanimous decision, even among the Black players on the team, to see someone who is willing to give up a life of relative collegiate comfort and use what notoriety they have to bring about a change they see as bigger than their personal situation is admirable. Wish there were more people like those involved, h3ll, I wonder if I could say unequivocally that I would do the same thing.

That said, this situation was much bigger than the racial aspect being highlighted. The academicians didn't trust him, the grad students were ticked at him and there were several other issues at play. And all of the groups felt that Prez just patronized them and paid lip service with nothing of substance behind it. Unfortunately, racial division sells so that is what the lead is.

With all that said, all other things being equal, I would hire Pinkel in a heart beat. A coach that will teach these young men to follow your moral compass not the material aspects you may lose? What a refreshing lesson in collegiate athletics. Congrats Coach Pinkel on supporting your charges in the real world and being a true mentor that's worried about more than wins and losses.

And lest we forget, sports has very very often led social change in this country far more effectively than almost any other medium. From the Negro League baseballers to Cassius Clay (or Muhammad Ali) to Jim Brown to Texas Western to Lew Alcindor and Oscar Robertson to Arthur Ashe to Maria Navratilova to James Harris to Jesse Owens to Ray Rice to Northwestern football

Cal, such as?

You had a University President whose highest degree was a BA. Seriously. A bachelor's degree.

I don't know how he got hired, but that's akin to putting a Lt. in charge of an army. People with higher academic credentials aren't going to follow the lead of someone who never achieved the advanced degrees nor put the study time in they did.

It appears that lingering issues may remain inside the locker room. Pinkel will have to do more than be a football coach to keep things together. Don't envy the guy one bit.

Quote:Missouri Coach Gary Pinkel said his players were “united” in their decision to boycott practice until a fellow student ends a hunger strike he started in protest of racial incidents and an alleged racial attitude at the school, but one player told ESPN that there isn’t unanimity on the team.

“As much as we want to say everyone is united, half the team and coaches — black and white — are pissed,” the player, who requested anonymity, told Brett McMurphy. “If we were 9-0, this wouldn’t be happening.” The player added that coaches had instructed them not to speak to members of the media because they thought the situation “would blow over eventually.”

Mizzou

Notice the basketball team, which is hoping to do well, did not join in the protest and was planning to play their opener no matter what.

If similar ever happened at UC I say tell them your free ride ends at the first missed practice. If UC rolled over like MO I would cancel all future donations and tickets and remove them the Trust.


Let them find money for a Greyhound out of town to a job.

(11-09-2015 05:50 PM)Cal1362 Wrote:  I applaud the young men that did the protesting and the men and women that supported them - especially the coach. Although this was not a unanimous decision, even among the Black players on the team, to see someone who is willing to give up a life of relative collegiate comfort and use what notoriety they have to bring about a change they see as bigger than their personal situation is admirable. Wish there were more people like those involved, h3ll, I wonder if I could say unequivocally that I would do the same thing.

That said, this situation was much bigger than the racial aspect being highlighted. The academicians didn't trust him, the grad students were ticked at him and there were several other issues at play. And all of the groups felt that Prez just patronized them and paid lip service with nothing of substance behind it. Unfortunately, racial division sells so that is what the lead is.

With all that said, all other things being equal, I would hire Pinkel in a heart beat. A coach that will teach these young men to follow your moral compass not the material aspects you may lose? What a refreshing lesson in collegiate athletics. Congrats Coach Pinkel on supporting your charges in the real world and being a true mentor that's worried about more than wins and losses.

And lest we forget, sports has very very often led social change in this country far more effectively than almost any other medium. From the Negro League baseballers to Cassius Clay (or Muhammad Ali) to Jim Brown to Texas Western to Lew Alcindor and Oscar Robertson to Arthur Ashe to Maria Navratilova to James Harris to Jesse Owens to Ray Rice to Northwestern football

Nonsense. Change for the sake of change is not a good thing. These college kids think they are Montgomery bus boycotters or something. It's 2015, at what point can we stop with this BS. The only thing this stuff will accomplish is more anger and strife from the other side. This is not MLK's dream.

(11-09-2015 06:36 PM)dossbig Wrote:  If similar ever happened at UC I say tell them your free ride ends at the first missed practice. If UC rolled over like MO I would cancel all future donations and tickets and remove them the Trust.


Let them find money for a Greyhound out of town to a job.

Unfortunately most fans probably don't have that kind of backbone. I'm sure most Mizzu fans didn't agree with it, but at the same time were afraid to see their football team fall away into obscurity.

(11-09-2015 07:52 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 06:36 PM)dossbig Wrote:  If similar ever happened at UC I say tell them your free ride ends at the first missed practice. If UC rolled over like MO I would cancel all future donations and tickets and remove them the Trust.


Let them find money for a Greyhound out of town to a job.

Unfortunately most fans probably don't have that kind of backbone. I'm sure most Mizzu fans didn't agree with it, but at the same time were afraid to see their football team fall away into obscurity.

Backbone isn't being a wealthy fan and cancelling a donation that no one will notice. Backbone is taking a stand for something you believe in - no matter the politics of it - and jeopardizing your future. That's exactly what both Pinkel and his players did.

(11-10-2015 11:09 AM)geef Wrote:  Backbone isn't being a wealthy fan and cancelling a donation that no one will notice. Backbone is taking a stand for something you believe in - no matter the politics of it - and jeopardizing your future. That's exactly what both Pinkel and his players did.

No it isn't, because privately there was a significant number of the team members (players and coaches) that were against this action. Not to mention a number of them admitted anonymously that they wouldn't have done this had they been having a good season.

If it's something you truly believe in, you'd do it regardless of the consequences, not just when the football season is over.

Edit: To add, Pinkel should have gone Coach Taylor on their @sses.

Just my 2 cents, but Wolfe probably brought this on himself with his tone deaf mismanagement of the situation. He should have taken a cue from David Boren who defused a similar situation at Oklahoma much better. Part of the problem is that Wolfe was ill prepared for the job in the first place because as I understand it he doesn't really have an academic background, but rather a business one, and he was probably appointed to run the university like a business, which is really stupid, because it's not a business, it's a public university. In the end, math did him in. He makes around $450K/yr and the school, as well as the surrounding community, stood to loose millions if the team didn't play BYU this weekend.

(11-10-2015 11:09 AM)geef Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 07:52 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 06:36 PM)dossbig Wrote:  If similar ever happened at UC I say tell them your free ride ends at the first missed practice. If UC rolled over like MO I would cancel all future donations and tickets and remove them the Trust.


Let them find money for a Greyhound out of town to a job.

Unfortunately most fans probably don't have that kind of backbone. I'm sure most Mizzu fans didn't agree with it, but at the same time were afraid to see their football team fall away into obscurity.

Backbone isn't being a wealthy fan and cancelling a donation that no one will notice. Backbone is taking a stand for something you believe in - no matter the politics of it - and jeopardizing your future. That's exactly what both Pinkel and his players did.

Over manufactured racism? Some drunk guys in a pickup reportedly dropping the n word?
At UC the racist comments sent to Irate8 were sent by a black guy.

Did the players stop wearing the free warmup gear in their protest? Stop using the free meal card? Did they sleep somewhere else besides their free dorm?

Or did they just boycott having to practice?

(11-09-2015 05:50 PM)Cal1362 Wrote:  I applaud the young men that did the protesting and the men and women that supported them - especially the coach. Although this was not a unanimous decision, even among the Black players on the team, to see someone who is willing to give up a life of relative collegiate comfort and use what notoriety they have to bring about a change they see as bigger than their personal situation is admirable. Wish there were more people like those involved, h3ll, I wonder if I could say unequivocally that I would do the same thing.

That said, this situation was much bigger than the racial aspect being highlighted. The academicians didn't trust him, the grad students were ticked at him and there were several other issues at play. And all of the groups felt that Prez just patronized them and paid lip service with nothing of substance behind it. Unfortunately, racial division sells so that is what the lead is.

With all that said, all other things being equal, I would hire Pinkel in a heart beat. A coach that will teach these young men to follow your moral compass not the material aspects you may lose? What a refreshing lesson in collegiate athletics. Congrats Coach Pinkel on supporting your charges in the real world and being a true mentor that's worried about more than wins and losses.

And lest we forget, sports has very very often led social change in this country far more effectively than almost any other medium. From the Negro League baseballers to Cassius Clay (or Muhammad Ali) to Jim Brown to Texas Western to Lew Alcindor and Oscar Robertson to Arthur Ashe to Maria Navratilova to James Harris to Jesse Owens to Ray Rice to Northwestern football

(11-10-2015 11:27 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 11:09 AM)geef Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 07:52 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 06:36 PM)dossbig Wrote:  If similar ever happened at UC I say tell them your free ride ends at the first missed practice. If UC rolled over like MO I would cancel all future donations and tickets and remove them the Trust.


Let them find money for a Greyhound out of town to a job.

Unfortunately most fans probably don't have that kind of backbone. I'm sure most Mizzu fans didn't agree with it, but at the same time were afraid to see their football team fall away into obscurity.

Backbone isn't being a wealthy fan and cancelling a donation that no one will notice. Backbone is taking a stand for something you believe in - no matter the politics of it - and jeopardizing your future. That's exactly what both Pinkel and his players did.

Over manufactured racism? Some drunk guys in a pickup reportedly dropping the n word?
At UC the racist comments sent to Irate8 were sent by a black guy.

I'm not going to get into a debate about so-called manufactured racism. My point was simply about what constitutes backbone and what doesn't. Pinkel and the players have all kinds of people shouting at them now - many making spurious claims about the origin of comments and others bringing real racism to the fore. They knew they would take heat for taking a stand, and that took backbone.