What is also concerning is that 1-7 UTSA crushed UTEP 25-6.

(11-07-2015 04:29 PM)Antarius Wrote:  What is also concerning is that 1-7 UTSA crushed UTEP 25-6.

5-7 is definitely on the cards now.

Frankly, I have a hard time believing that the 2015 Owls are any better (relatively speaking) than the SWC Rice team that went 0-11 in 1988. That's how bad the UTEP loss is.

(11-07-2015 04:52 PM)Wiessman Wrote:  Frankly, I have a hard time believing that the 2015 Owls are any better (relatively speaking) than the SWC Rice team that went 0-11 in 1988. That's how bad the UTEP loss is.

The 88 team lost to Texas by 7, @TCU by 11, Tech, by 2, @A&M by 14, @Arkansas by 7, and Baylor by 10. Arkansas was 10-0 that season before losing their final two games. (Rice did lose to D1-AA UNT that season. Also they scored between 10 and 17 in all their games except for 36 vs. Tech)

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(11-07-2015 09:16 PM)DFW Owl Wrote:  

(11-07-2015 04:52 PM)Wiessman Wrote:  Frankly, I have a hard time believing that the 2015 Owls are any better (relatively speaking) than the SWC Rice team that went 0-11 in 1988. That's how bad the UTEP loss is.

The 88 team lost to Texas by 7, @TCU by 11, Tech, by 2, @A&M by 14, @Arkansas by 7, and Baylor by 10. Arkansas was 10-0 that season before losing their final two games. (Rice did lose to D1-AA UNT that season. Also they scored between 10 and 17 in all their games except for 36 vs. Tech)

And lost to the national champion 54-11. I doubt this current team would be within that against any of this year's potential national champions.

Then again, the 2008 version lost to a team that likely would have been in a 4-team playoff (Texas) by 52-10, and that team is definitely better than what Rice is rolling out this year.

I will say this as a counter - the best offenses of the late 80s just don't score like the current generation (at least more teams are more explosive nowadays).

(11-07-2015 10:08 PM)gsloth Wrote:  I will say this as a counter - the best offenses of the late 80s just don't score like the current generation (at least more teams are more explosive nowadays).

Yeah, that does complicate the comparisons. But on its face, it seems that the 1988 Owls were actually better than the current group, and perhaps a lot better. That's somewhat disturbing.

(11-07-2015 10:08 PM)gsloth Wrote:  And lost to the national champion 54-11. I doubt this current team would be within that against any of this year's potential national champions.

Well we lost 70-17 to a potential national champ this year. Also, like the 88 game, Rice drove down the field on the opening drive and scored a FG after failing to convert a great TD chance on 3rd down. (Also I was at both games.)

Some random items:
-went to Texas Kansas game last night
---given their band is 250 or 300, student attendance was perhaps 750 to 1000. Given their size, that would be the equivalent of 50-75 at a rice game, which we generally at least get. The days of 2 full sections in SWC days is just not going to happen
--- they employ the meerkat, but way quicker on the draw
--- Kansas almost had them at times, but collapsed
-------- their coach has been brutalized, but seems to be building and has some real very young talent. A lot of seniors seemed to be backups incl o line. I really wonder how much of poor execution and sloppy that we are struggling with is a youth issue as for ut.
--------watch out for them the next two years


-given our horrible conference situation, I think we ought to sweep through every year, but can't coaches ever get a mulligan for a rebuilding year or in our world of right now, success always despite all matters is the only situation? Geesh look at auburn's ups and downs

- was 2008 and 2013 anomalies? Or building up to great years?

- I suspect that we have a second long term coach that will be fired after watching long overdue facilities are being built in his face. Last time we got the worse coach since a not to be mentioned bskb coach just after Knodel. Hope not again. Kinda sad as there were some nice moments

This all coming from someone who left reliant in the 3q of the uh game in 2012 and started a thread wanting Braun, rg, and db all fired immediately.

Frankly the BOT and presidents of the past 40+ years including Leebron are to blame for much of this since while the rest was building, we just fiddled and convinced ourselves all was fine. The big wake up call should have been when WAC16 broke up. Sadly the 2003CWS may in certain ways have hurt since it covered up other issues. So glad to see the push now by JK, but I hope we are not too late

(11-08-2015 09:35 AM)texowl2 Wrote:  Some random items:
-went to Texas Kansas game last night
---given their band is 250 or 300, student attendance was perhaps 750 to 1000. Given their size, that would be the equivalent of 50-75 at a rice game, which we generally at least get. The days of 2 full sections in SWC days is just not going to happen
--- they employ the meerkat, but way quicker on the draw
--- Kansas almost had them at times, but collapsed
-------- their coach has been brutalized, but seems to be building and has some real very young talent. A lot of seniors seemed to be backups incl o line. I really wonder how much of poor execution and sloppy that we are struggling with is a youth issue as for ut.
--------watch out for them the next two years


-given our horrible conference situation, I think we ought to sweep through every year, but can't coaches ever get a mulligan for a rebuilding year or in our world of right now, success always despite all matters is the only situation? Geesh look at auburn's ups and downs

- was 2008 and 2013 anomalies? Or building up to great years?

- I suspect that we have a second long term coach that will be fired after watching long overdue facilities are being built in his face. Last time we got the worse coach since a not to be mentioned bskb coach just after Knodel. Hope not again. Kinda sad as there were some nice moments

This all coming from someone who left reliant in the 3q of the uh game in 2012 and started a thread wanting Braun, rg, and db all fired immediately.

Frankly the BOT and presidents of the past 40+ years including Leebron are to blame for much of this since while the rest was building, we just fiddled and convinced ourselves all was fine. The big wake up call should have been when WAC16 broke up. Sadly the 2003CWS may in certain ways have hurt since it covered up other issues. So glad to see the push now by JK, but I hope we are not too late

I'm gonna go ahead and disagree about the promise Texas is showing. Did you see them get shut out at Iowa St last week? I'm not reading too much into a blowout of Kansas. Let see how they do against Baylor last game of the season and in game 1 vs Notre Dame next year. I'm not sold yet

(11-07-2015 04:52 PM)Wiessman Wrote:  

(11-07-2015 04:29 PM)Antarius Wrote:  What is also concerning is that 1-7 UTSA crushed UTEP 25-6.

5-7 is definitely on the cards now.

5-7 might actually be a blessing in disguise. At 6-6, with a bowl game in Albuquerque, New Orleans, or Tucson, the call will go out to buy those bowl game tickets and show other potential conference homes that we have a supportive fan base.

(11-08-2015 10:30 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(11-07-2015 04:52 PM)Wiessman Wrote:  

(11-07-2015 04:29 PM)Antarius Wrote:  What is also concerning is that 1-7 UTSA crushed UTEP 25-6.

5-7 is definitely on the cards now.

5-7 might actually be a blessing in disguise. At 6-6, with a bowl game in Albuquerque, New Orleans, or Tucson, the call will go out to buy those bowl game tickets and show other potential conference homes that we have a supportive fan base.

Sometimes I wish the moderators could ban traitors.

Still hoping for 5-7 with an APR-gifted bowl game.

(11-08-2015 11:16 AM)Pellet Wrote:  Still hoping for 5-7 with an APR-gifted bowl game.

In my opinion, that would basically pretty much be the defining statement of Bailiff-led Rice football and the (b)owl inflation in the NCAAs in the last decade. Just add another contract extension for the historic, unprecedented (my words) fourth straight (b)owl game to put the cherry on top.

Meanwhile...at the Justice League (Tudor Fieldhouse)...

(11-08-2015 04:04 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 11:16 AM)Pellet Wrote:  Still hoping for 5-7 with an APR-gifted bowl game.

In my opinion, that would basically pretty much be the defining statement of Bailiff-led Rice football and the (b)owl inflation in the NCAAs in the last decade. Just add another contract extension for the historic, unprecedented (my words) fourth straight (b)owl game to put the cherry on top.

Meanwhile...at the Justice League (Tudor Fieldhouse)...

Right now, Jerry Palm is only predicting that 4 5-7 teams will be needed (this is down from 10 a couple of weeks ago).

Here's the list of possible 5-7 teams ranked by APR. (I believe this is the 4-year sliding APR, but I haven't checked)

Quote:School APR Record
Nebraska 985 4-6
Utah State 985 5-4
Vanderbilt 983 3-6
Rutgers 980 3-6
Georgia Tech 978 3-6
Virginia Tech 977 4-5
Indiana 977 4-5
Louisville 977 5-4
Washington 977 4-5
Missouri 976 4-5
Kansas State 976 3-5
San Jose State 975 4-5
South Carolina 975 3-6
Minnesota 975 4-5
Maryland 973 2-7
Illinois 973 5-4
Rice 973 4-5
MTSU 973 4-5

As you can see, Rice is pretty far down the list this year, so we're unlikely to be 'saved' by the APR rule.

(11-08-2015 04:54 PM)NoodleOwl Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 04:04 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 11:16 AM)Pellet Wrote:  Still hoping for 5-7 with an APR-gifted bowl game.

In my opinion, that would basically pretty much be the defining statement of Bailiff-led Rice football and the (b)owl inflation in the NCAAs in the last decade. Just add another contract extension for the historic, unprecedented (my words) fourth straight (b)owl game to put the cherry on top.

Meanwhile...at the Justice League (Tudor Fieldhouse)...

Right now, Jerry Palm is only predicting that 4 5-7 teams will be needed (this is down from 10 a couple of weeks ago).

Here's the list of possible 5-7 teams ranked by APR. (I believe this is the 4-year sliding APR, but I haven't checked)

Quote:School APR Record
Nebraska 985 4-6
Utah State 985 5-4
Vanderbilt 983 3-6
Rutgers 980 3-6
Georgia Tech 978 3-6
Virginia Tech 977 4-5
Indiana 977 4-5
Louisville 977 5-4
Washington 977 4-5
Missouri 976 4-5
Kansas State 976 3-5
San Jose State 975 4-5
South Carolina 975 3-6
Minnesota 975 4-5
Maryland 973 2-7
Illinois 973 5-4
Rice 973 4-5
MTSU 973 4-5

As you can see, Rice is pretty far down the list this year, so we're unlikely to be 'saved' by the APR rule.

But, so help me out here.....does this mean if we go 6-6 we are in for sure?

(11-08-2015 07:13 PM)tramile12 Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 04:54 PM)NoodleOwl Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 04:04 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 11:16 AM)Pellet Wrote:  Still hoping for 5-7 with an APR-gifted bowl game.

In my opinion, that would basically pretty much be the defining statement of Bailiff-led Rice football and the (b)owl inflation in the NCAAs in the last decade. Just add another contract extension for the historic, unprecedented (my words) fourth straight (b)owl game to put the cherry on top.

Meanwhile...at the Justice League (Tudor Fieldhouse)...

Right now, Jerry Palm is only predicting that 4 5-7 teams will be needed (this is down from 10 a couple of weeks ago).

Here's the list of possible 5-7 teams ranked by APR. (I believe this is the 4-year sliding APR, but I haven't checked)

Quote:School APR Record
Nebraska 985 4-6
Utah State 985 5-4
Vanderbilt 983 3-6
Rutgers 980 3-6
Georgia Tech 978 3-6
Virginia Tech 977 4-5
Indiana 977 4-5
Louisville 977 5-4
Washington 977 4-5
Missouri 976 4-5
Kansas State 976 3-5
San Jose State 975 4-5
South Carolina 975 3-6
Minnesota 975 4-5
Maryland 973 2-7
Illinois 973 5-4
Rice 973 4-5
MTSU 973 4-5

As you can see, Rice is pretty far down the list this year, so we're unlikely to be 'saved' by the APR rule.

But, so help me out here.....does this mean if we go 6-6 we are in for sure?

No, but it does look likely that all 6-6 teams will be in bowls, with even a few 5-7 teams making it in (the ones that are higher on the APR list will get priority).

(11-08-2015 07:47 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 07:13 PM)tramile12 Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 04:54 PM)NoodleOwl Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 04:04 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 11:16 AM)Pellet Wrote:  Still hoping for 5-7 with an APR-gifted bowl game.

In my opinion, that would basically pretty much be the defining statement of Bailiff-led Rice football and the (b)owl inflation in the NCAAs in the last decade. Just add another contract extension for the historic, unprecedented (my words) fourth straight (b)owl game to put the cherry on top.

Meanwhile...at the Justice League (Tudor Fieldhouse)...

Right now, Jerry Palm is only predicting that 4 5-7 teams will be needed (this is down from 10 a couple of weeks ago).

Here's the list of possible 5-7 teams ranked by APR. (I believe this is the 4-year sliding APR, but I haven't checked)

Quote:School APR Record
Nebraska 985 4-6
Utah State 985 5-4
Vanderbilt 983 3-6
Rutgers 980 3-6
Georgia Tech 978 3-6
Virginia Tech 977 4-5
Indiana 977 4-5
Louisville 977 5-4
Washington 977 4-5
Missouri 976 4-5
Kansas State 976 3-5
San Jose State 975 4-5
South Carolina 975 3-6
Minnesota 975 4-5
Maryland 973 2-7
Illinois 973 5-4
Rice 973 4-5
MTSU 973 4-5

As you can see, Rice is pretty far down the list this year, so we're unlikely to be 'saved' by the APR rule.

But, so help me out here.....does this mean if we go 6-6 we are in for sure?

No, but it does look likely that all 6-6 teams will be in bowls, with even a few 5-7 teams making it in (the ones that are higher on the APR list will get priority).

*Extremely* likely that all (no transitional) 6 win teams earn bowl invitations this year.

And if we are 4-8? It's a real possibility this year. Even Charlotte is improving, and they have a passing game.

(11-10-2015 07:42 AM)Vegas Owl Wrote:  And if we are 4-8? It's a real possibility this year. Even Charlotte is improving, and they have a passing game.

I simply cannot fathom us losing to Charlotte. It's not even in the realm of realistic possibility (or shouldn't be)

(11-10-2015 09:06 AM)Antarius Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 07:42 AM)Vegas Owl Wrote:  And if we are 4-8? It's a real possibility this year. Even Charlotte is improving, and they have a passing game.

I simply cannot fathom us losing to Charlotte. It's not even in the realm of realistic possibility (or shouldn't be)

I think that is what most people thought about UTEP until......