(10-28-2015 02:36 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote:  

(10-28-2015 08:09 AM)Artifice Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 10:32 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 07:35 PM)jwniner Wrote:  we basically offer one ticket price (we lower the price on general admission tickets for games we know people won't attend)

We call that two, but are you saying all tickets or season tickets are priced differently?

http://www.charlotte49ers.com/ViewArticl...=206988882

$190 for season tix ($31.67/game), with a discount for recent grads ($95 or $15.83/game). There is only one other price point: $100 endzone seats, but you have to buy between 2 and 4. That last part was new this season. It's essentially the unused seats by the students (who had far too many at 7,500).

Single game tix are pretty much $30 (there are a few $22 end zone seats, game by game basis) - which is cheaper than a season ticket. The seats are GA.

If/when expansion does happen, the program is going to have to re-think price points. They probably won't want to, but it would help attendance to have $20-$25 game tickets at decent seats.

(10-28-2015 12:30 PM)jwniner Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 10:32 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 07:35 PM)jwniner Wrote:  we basically offer one ticket price (we lower the price on general admission tickets for games we know people won't attend)

We call that two, but are you saying all tickets or season tickets are priced differently?

All of our tickets are $30 a game. Season tickets, reserved seating, and general admission. We have maybe 2-3 home games where the general admission tickets go down to $20. So that's what I mean by we basically have 1 ticket price. When we expand, we'll be able to give people more options and attract more people.

Have y'all met? You are both talking about Charlotte, right? One list five different pricing scenarios and one says one to two.

If you want a single game ticket and are not a grad, there is basically one $30 price unless you want a $22 general admission ticket behind the end zone only for select games. If you want season tickets you pay more, if you want a cheaper ticket you have to buy multiple.

Why are you so concerned with our ticket prices anyway? Is it because nobody wants to watch Southern Miss and you want ideas?

(10-28-2015 03:38 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(10-28-2015 02:46 PM)HerdinNY Wrote:  

(10-28-2015 05:41 AM)ODU2011 Wrote:  Would be interesting to see how these numbers stack up against the rest of the G5.

AAC:

Memphis - 49,048
Temple - 45,242
East Car - 44,764
Cincy - 39,103
UCF - 34,112
Navy - 31,182
Houston - 30,313
UConn - 29,824
USF - 26,378
SMU - 24,224
Tulane - 22,032
Tulsa - 19,546

Average: 32,980

CUSA:

USM 28,714
Marshall 26,272
UTSA 26,174
UTEP 23,580
La Tech 22,462
Rice 20,943
ODU 20,118
FAU 19,010
WKU 18,276
Middle Tennessee 17,644
UNT 16,519
FIU 16,109
Charlotte 15,248

Average: 19,362

Sun Belt:

Texas St. 25,908
Arkansas St. 24,921
Louisiana-Lafayette 24,294
Ga. Southern 23,981
App. St. 22,594
New Mexico St. 22,205
Troy 20,166
South Alabama 17,381
ULM 16,318
Idaho 12,554
Ga. State 10,622

Average: 20,085

Did you divide the CUSA total by 14? You did, didn't you? Remember, there are only 13 teams in CUSA counting towards the average. In addition, merely dividing the sum of the individual averages by the total teams is wrong. You need to find the total attendance and then divide by total games.

No matter how you derive at your numbers, its apparent that the AAC is in another stratosphere when it comes to attendance. Southern Miss for instance, CUSA's league leader, would rank 7th in the AAC.

(10-28-2015 03:47 PM)HerdinNY Wrote:  

(10-28-2015 03:38 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(10-28-2015 02:46 PM)HerdinNY Wrote:  

(10-28-2015 05:41 AM)ODU2011 Wrote:  Would be interesting to see how these numbers stack up against the rest of the G5.

AAC:

Memphis - 49,048
Temple - 45,242
East Car - 44,764
Cincy - 39,103
UCF - 34,112
Navy - 31,182
Houston - 30,313
UConn - 29,824
USF - 26,378
SMU - 24,224
Tulane - 22,032
Tulsa - 19,546

Average: 32,980

CUSA:

USM 28,714
Marshall 26,272
UTSA 26,174
UTEP 23,580
La Tech 22,462
Rice 20,943
ODU 20,118
FAU 19,010
WKU 18,276
Middle Tennessee 17,644
UNT 16,519
FIU 16,109
Charlotte 15,248

Average: 19,362

Sun Belt:

Texas St. 25,908
Arkansas St. 24,921
Louisiana-Lafayette 24,294
Ga. Southern 23,981
App. St. 22,594
New Mexico St. 22,205
Troy 20,166
South Alabama 17,381
ULM 16,318
Idaho 12,554
Ga. State 10,622

Average: 20,085

Did you divide the CUSA total by 14? You did, didn't you? Remember, there are only 13 teams in CUSA counting towards the average. In addition, merely dividing the sum of the individual averages by the total teams is wrong. You need to find the total attendance and then divide by total games.

No matter how you derive at your numbers, its apparent that the AAC is in another stratosphere when it comes to attendance. Southern Miss for instance, CUSA's league leader, would rank 7th in the AAC.

I'm just operating on the adage that if it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.

(10-28-2015 03:38 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(10-28-2015 02:46 PM)HerdinNY Wrote:  Did you divide the CUSA total by 14? You did, didn't you? Remember, there are only 13 teams in CUSA counting towards the average. In addition, merely dividing the sum of the individual averages by the total teams is wrong. You need to find the total attendance and then divide by total games.

No matter how you derive at your numbers, its apparent that the AAC is in another stratosphere when it comes to attendance. Southern Miss for instance, CUSA's league leader, would rank 7th in the AAC.

Ummm, there's only one stratosphere. I don't think we dealing with the sharpest minds here.

(10-28-2015 04:11 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(10-28-2015 03:38 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(10-28-2015 02:46 PM)HerdinNY Wrote:  Did you divide the CUSA total by 14? You did, didn't you? Remember, there are only 13 teams in CUSA counting towards the average. In addition, merely dividing the sum of the individual averages by the total teams is wrong. You need to find the total attendance and then divide by total games.

No matter how you derive at your numbers, its apparent that the AAC is in another stratosphere when it comes to attendance. Southern Miss for instance, CUSA's league leader, would rank 7th in the AAC.

Ummm, there's only one stratosphere. I don't think we dealing with the sharpest minds here.

I know you were just trying to shrink the quote, so it doesn't get bigger and bigger. But when someone confuses stratosphere for galaxy, could you not make it look like I said it? Thanks.

(10-28-2015 02:46 PM)HerdinNY Wrote:  

(10-28-2015 05:41 AM)ODU2011 Wrote:  Would be interesting to see how these numbers stack up against the rest of the G5.

AAC:

Memphis - 49,048
Temple - 45,242
East Car - 44,764
Cincy - 39,103
UCF - 34,112
Navy - 31,182
Houston - 30,313
UConn - 29,824
USF - 26,378
SMU - 24,224
Tulane - 22,032
Tulsa - 19,546

Average: 32,980

CUSA:

USM 28,714
Marshall 26,272
UTSA 26,174
UTEP 23,580
La Tech 22,462
Rice 20,943
ODU 20,118
FAU 19,010
WKU 18,276
Middle Tennessee 17,644
UNT 16,519
FIU 16,109
Charlotte 15,248

Average: 19,362

Sun Belt:

Texas St. 25,908
Arkansas St. 24,921
Louisiana-Lafayette 24,294
Ga. Southern 23,981
App. St. 22,594
New Mexico St. 22,205
Troy 20,166
South Alabama 17,381
ULM 16,318
Idaho 12,554
Ga. State 10,622

Average: 20,085

Divided by 13 is 20,851

(10-25-2015 04:37 PM)usm99 Wrote:  Team - avg attendance - home games
USM 28,714 (4)
Charlotte 15,248 (4)
This is from CUSA football stats website

(10-28-2015 03:45 PM)jwniner Wrote:  Why are you so concerned with our ticket prices anyway? Is it because nobody wants to watch Southern Miss and you want ideas?

It's because you're in our conference now and I'm interested in how our brothers do things. Y'all are a jumpy fan base, aren't you? The original reply stated there was only one price. I've never heard of any college with only one price per ticket, so I inquired more. Another fan provided a link and multiple ticket prices. Your most recent reply looks silly when you consider what you're suggesting. But yes, I am now interested in Niner football.

(10-28-2015 05:07 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 04:37 PM)usm99 Wrote:  Team - avg attendance - home games
USM 28,714 (4)
Charlotte 15,248 (4)
This is from CUSA football stats website

(10-28-2015 03:45 PM)jwniner Wrote:  Why are you so concerned with our ticket prices anyway? Is it because nobody wants to watch Southern Miss and you want ideas?

It's because you're in our conference now and I'm interested in how our brothers do things. Y'all are a jumpy fan base, aren't you? The original reply stated there was only one price. I've never heard of any college with only one price per ticket, so I inquired more. Another fan provided a link and multiple ticket prices. Your most recent reply looks silly when you consider what you're suggesting. But yes, I am now interested in Niner football.

USM 28,714/36,000 capacity = 79.8%
Charlotte 15,248/15,314 capacity = 99.6%

Yes, a bit jumpy... You all just beat us very badly. But yes, there are some options, but mainly for groups. Would be nice to see them have more options. Will probably have to wait for expansion and a $20 upper level ticket or something.

I didn't realize the AAC had such a huge leg up over the rest of the G5 when it came to attendance.

(10-27-2015 07:05 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 06:36 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 04:44 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 03:02 PM)SVHerd Wrote:  MU scans all the tickets when you enter. We've had rain, cold, or combination thereof for all but 4 of our homes games the last two years. ugh!

WKU deserves more than 18K a game. I'd be pissed if I were Brohm.

What school doesn't scan tickets on entrance? I find it hard to believe Marshall would report that if everyone else reports tickets sold...

I bet you're right. Everybody scans. Unless MU states this policy, they use tickets sold.

I don't know what they do but I remember after the Marshall-WKU game last year some Marshall posters here admitted that there weren't as many actual fans in the stands as the "official" posted attendance....which made me think they count sold instead of actual butts in seats. I assumed everyone did that.

Last year we did not use scanning, just ticket stubs, wasn't set up for it. This is the first year we have used ticket scanning, the announced attendance has been spot on.

(10-29-2015 09:19 AM)Farmer Jack Wrote:  I didn't realize the AAC had such a huge leg up over the rest of the G5 when it came to attendance.

Other than a few schools, you don't. What was Houston's attendance last year again with a brand new stadium? Thought so.

I would venture to say that ECU is the only one who is consistent, might include NAVY and Cincy as well, the rest do not show up if their teams are not great that year.

Looking at sunbelt and cusa attendance just proves that cusa totally dropped the ball last round of expansion.

We went after markets instead of football programs.

(10-29-2015 10:26 AM)herdinva Wrote:  

(10-29-2015 09:19 AM)Farmer Jack Wrote:  I didn't realize the AAC had such a huge leg up over the rest of the G5 when it came to attendance.

Other than a few schools, you don't. What was Houston's attendance last year again with a brand new stadium? Thought so.

I would venture to say that ECU is the only one who is consistent, might include NAVY and Cincy as well, the rest do not show up if their teams are not great that year.

It doesn't really matter WHY they are 10's of thousands ahead of us. It just matters that they are. Winning is a good reason to have to drive attendance.

(10-29-2015 10:59 AM)HerdinNY Wrote:  

(10-29-2015 10:26 AM)herdinva Wrote:  

(10-29-2015 09:19 AM)Farmer Jack Wrote:  I didn't realize the AAC had such a huge leg up over the rest of the G5 when it came to attendance.

Other than a few schools, you don't. What was Houston's attendance last year again with a brand new stadium? Thought so.

I would venture to say that ECU is the only one who is consistent, might include NAVY and Cincy as well, the rest do not show up if their teams are not great that year.

It doesn't really matter WHY they are 10's of thousands ahead of us. It just matters that they are. Winning is a good reason to have to drive attendance.

Reread what I wrote, you totally missed my point. Most programs show good numbers with winning, that is a given, but there are a few in each conference that really can't do better no matter what. What do you think UTEP averaged when they were winning? What do you think UTSA could do? Or ODU if they had a bigger stadium?

Some programs just do not draw well for whatever reason, think of Tulane, LT, Rice, WKU, MTSU, UNT, not even going to mention the FL schools. This isn't a one season problem, this is as a program. WKU at 18K and playing exciting ball, MTSU just a few years ago had 8 wins, yet drew little.

There are very very few AAC programs that average better on a consistent basis than CUSA programs and most are similar to the top half of CUSA (MU, USM, UTEP, UTSA), while the bottom half of CUSA typically equals sunbelt or MAC attendance, with some leaving you scratching your head. What could we expect though, they were brought in from the Sunbelt, so there isn't going to be an overnight change in support for them. The better options just so happened to be in less desirable locations during expansion.

Point is, as a program, not the year to year crap, the AAC is not that much better than CUSA minus ECU, Navy and Cincy.

Care to guess what Memphis averaged for years until they finally found some wins last year?

(10-29-2015 10:58 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  Looking at sunbelt and cusa attendance just proves that cusa totally dropped the ball last round of expansion.

We went after markets instead of football programs.

Agreed, minus LT.

All honesty here....

WKU will likely never have 30,000 or more attendance averages (even if we expanded the stadium). At best, I think we can get up to the low 20's, posssibly mid-20's.......with good weather, scheduling, timing, etc.

We haven't played FBS long enough. We are a small community, comparatively speaking.

Funny thing is, counting this year (with one more win) we'll have had 17 of the last 20 years with winning seasons. There are teams with home attendance averages in the 30, 40, 50, 60, 70 thousands that rarely having winning seasons.

Our stadium is right-sized, meaning our 18,000 looks fairly good on TV in our 23,000 seat stadium as opposed to those programs that have 20,000 in a 70,000 seat stadium. Yep, we don't make as much money off home games as the others do but we are a winning program and that's what's important to me.

(10-29-2015 09:19 AM)Farmer Jack Wrote:  I didn't realize the AAC had such a huge leg up over the rest of the G5 when it came to attendance.

Considering how well several of your teams have done this year (3 ranked teams) as well as ECU has done well attendance wise it doesn't surprise me

(10-29-2015 11:45 AM)herdinva Wrote:  Care to guess what Memphis averaged for years until they finally found some wins last year?

For the curious, here are the Memphis numbers for CUSA2.

2005 39,991 (7-5)
2006 32,440 (2-10)
2007 29,670 (7-6)
2008 25,003 (6-7)
2009 25,795 (2-10)
2010 23,918 (1-11)
2011 20,078 (2-10)
2012 24,371 (4-8)
Ave. 27,659 (31-67)

They averaged over 40K a couple of times in CUSA1...once with no P5/BCS home games. Winning surely helps and these are ticket sold numbers. There are pics of the infamous 4,117 protest game floating around as well as others that were very sparcely attended. The Tigers are no different in that winning cures all ills. I think some of the discrepancy may be in the floors and ceilings of programs. Memphis has enough donor support (both individual and corporate) to pull them through multiple losing seasons while other programs might not have that built in bottom.

There were several points in CUSA history that Memphis and UAB crowds looked quite similar.

Some of those numbers are terribly inflated. Not that we don't play that game too. When we were 1-11 and the like.

^Absolutely, tickets sold...not game day attendance. However, they were able to ave. over 40k in the original CUSA butts in seats. They have proven winners will be supported...losers not so much. That's where corporate and donor dollars come into play buying tickets they can't even give away.