Games Won
Wagner # unranked FCS team (56-16) Awful 0-7 FCS team. DB Quote “It doesn’t get better than this, open the season with a W.”
North Texas # 127 out #128 (38-24) Awful 0-7 CUSA opponent. Fired the HC a couple of weeks ago. DB “Team looked good, is always great to get a win on the road”
Florida Atlantic U. #112 (27-26) Awful 1-6 CUSA team that lost yesterday to UTEP.
Army (38-31) #115 Very weak 2-6 independent team. DB “So proud of how we battled, we are getting better every play”
RECAP – we have beaten four teams with a combined record 3-26. Very consistent with last year pattern of beating the really bad teams however this year the team has not looked good at all during these wins. FAU and Army could have easily been losses. Very lucky to be 4-3.
Games Lost
Texas Longhorns #60 (28-42) – Below average if not bad UT team 3-4. “We were a few plays from making it a game, need to continue to work and get better”
Baylor – #2 (17-70) – Lost to an excellent team 7-0 Baylor team ranked in the top 5. The game was over during the first quarter.
Western Kentucky #39 (10-49) – Lost to a good 6-2 CUSA team. Game was over at the half, fortunately they stopped throwing and they only scored 14 points in the second half.
RECAP – we have not competed at all with any of these teams which is disappointing considering the expectation was that this team has the talent to compete with the better teams.
UPCOMING GAMES
LA TECH #53 – 5-3 and favorite to win division. We have home field advantage but has not been a huge factor considering attendance. Prediction – L ; 4-4
At UTEP #123 – (3-4) Not a good team. Probably worst than Army. Prediction a W; 5-4
Southern Miss #84 – (5-3) A team on the rise, they are playing well and should be a close game. We have home field advantage but my prediction is that we win if it rains otherwise it goes to them. L 5-5
At UTSA #116 (1-6) – Awful team that is young and has issues on both sides of the ball. Should win easily by 4. W 6-5
Charlotte (2-5) #119 – Outside of Wagner could be the weakest team we face at home. Team wins by a blowout and DB spins it that we are going bowling again and he will ask for an extension given the impressive 7-5 record.
Observations
We will make it to another bowl probably the New Mexico Bowl and we will get another 6-6 team however this year will be considered a tremendous failure unless something changed and we won the CUSA but not realistic.
We have been outcoached all year, we have the talent but we have not been prepared to play. Our defense got burned yesterday by the running game which does not give us too much hope since we have not been able to stop the pass. Our offense is just as poor outside of our running game. We have more games throwing under 200 (3) than over 300 games (1).
Enjoy and let it rain this Friday…..

(10-25-2015 06:21 PM)UTOWL94 Wrote:  We have been outcoached all year, we have the talent but ...

People keep repeating this, but where is the evidence?

Our recruiting class last year came in at a cool #107: http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Footbal...amRankings

Hard to see why the 2016 class would be ranked better. More importantly, the visual evidence is simply not there. In what game other than Wagner did we blatantly outsize/outspeed/outtalent the opposition? That wasn't the case even with Army.

We were heavier and taller than WKU by position. I ran the numbers and posted them in the post game thread. I'll pull the rest and post them as well

(10-25-2015 06:51 PM)Antarius Wrote:  We were heavier and taller than WKU by position. I ran the numbers and posted them in the post game thread. I'll pull the rest and post them as well

I'll grant that WKU appears to overperform their recruiting. That said, it just doesn't pass the eye test to say we had more talent on the field than they did.

(10-25-2015 06:38 PM)Bailiff_Lingo_Bingo Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 06:21 PM)UTOWL94 Wrote:  We have been outcoached all year, we have the talent but ...

People keep repeating this, but where is the evidence?

Our recruiting class last year came in at a cool #107: http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Footbal...amRankings

Hard to see why the 2016 class would be ranked better. More importantly, the visual evidence is simply not there. In what game other than Wagner did we blatantly outsize/outspeed/outtalent the opposition? That wasn't the case even with Army.

Agreed on this. I never got the view that we recruited better than people in our conference. We usually have a lower ranked class.

(10-25-2015 06:51 PM)Antarius Wrote:  We were heavier and taller than WKU by position. I ran the numbers and posted them in the post game thread. I'll pull the rest and post them as well

Being tall and being heavy are not talents.

(10-25-2015 08:30 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 06:51 PM)Antarius Wrote:  We were heavier and taller than WKU by position. I ran the numbers and posted them in the post game thread. I'll pull the rest and post them as well

Being tall and being heavy are not talents.

D'ohh! There goes my claim to importance...

(10-25-2015 08:30 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 06:51 PM)Antarius Wrote:  We were heavier and taller than WKU by position. I ran the numbers and posted them in the post game thread. I'll pull the rest and post them as well

Being tall and being heavy are not talents.

I don't disagree. Just countering the comments that we are somehow smaller than other teams , which isn't really true.

I don't understand why the "observation" that Rice's players are smaller keeps coming up. The facts are readily available. Are some people so anxious to find somewhere to put the blame for bad performances against bad teams that they imagine size differences that aren't there?

(10-25-2015 06:21 PM)UTOWL94 Wrote:  Games Won
Wagner # unranked FCS team (56-16) Awful 0-7 FCS team. DB Quote “It doesn’t get better than this, open the season with a W.”
North Texas # 127 out #128 (38-24) Awful 0-7 CUSA opponent. Fired the HC a couple of weeks ago. DB “Team looked good, is always great to get a win on the road”
Florida Atlantic U. #112 (27-26) Awful 1-6 CUSA team that lost yesterday to UTEP.
Army (38-31) #115 Very weak 2-6 independent team. DB “So proud of how we battled, we are getting better every play”
RECAP – we have beaten four teams with a combined record 3-26. Very consistent with last year pattern of beating the really bad teams however this year the team has not looked good at all during these wins. FAU and Army could have easily been losses. Very lucky to be 4-3.
Games Lost
Texas Longhorns #60 (28-42) – Below average if not bad UT team 3-4. “We were a few plays from making it a game, need to continue to work and get better”
Baylor – #2 (17-70) – Lost to an excellent team 7-0 Baylor team ranked in the top 5. The game was over during the first quarter.
Western Kentucky #39 (10-49) – Lost to a good 6-2 CUSA team. Game was over at the half, fortunately they stopped throwing and they only scored 14 points in the second half.
RECAP – we have not competed at all with any of these teams which is disappointing considering the expectation was that this team has the talent to compete with the better teams.
UPCOMING GAMES
LA TECH #53 – 5-3 and favorite to win division. We have home field advantage but has not been a huge factor considering attendance. Prediction – L ; 4-4
At UTEP #123 – (3-4) Not a good team. Probably worst than Army. Prediction a W; 5-4
Southern Miss #84 – (5-3) A team on the rise, they are playing well and should be a close game. We have home field advantage but my prediction is that we win if it rains otherwise it goes to them. L 5-5
At UTSA #116 (1-6) – Awful team that is young and has issues on both sides of the ball. Should win easily by 4. W 6-5
Charlotte (2-5) #119 – Outside of Wagner could be the weakest team we face at home. Team wins by a blowout and DB spins it that we are going bowling again and he will ask for an extension given the impressive 7-5 record.
Observations
We will make it to another bowl probably the New Mexico Bowl and we will get another 6-6 team however this year will be considered a tremendous failure unless something changed and we won the CUSA but not realistic.
We have been outcoached all year, we have the talent but we have not been prepared to play. Our defense got burned yesterday by the running game which does not give us too much hope since we have not been able to stop the pass. Our offense is just as poor outside of our running game. We have more games throwing under 200 (3) than over 300 games (1).
Enjoy and let it rain this Friday…..

Good recap and agree that we have been outcoached. So far this season has been frustrating. We don't play exciting football period. Every season I hear that we are going to speed up. I recall Bailiff stating this when Reagan left yet Edmondson is no better. I think it has gotten worst because now we burn timeouts. Our offense and defense have not performed. It would be typical Bailiff to protect them and make some excuses. JK has to step up and do something. He has to send a message that average is not acceptable. He has to see what Herman has done with the Cougars. He has literally made UH more relevant in half of season than Bailiff in nine years. He has a marquee player being mentioned for the Heisman, they are ranked in the top 25 yet we celebrate because we beat Army. It's going backwards IMO.

Change has to come. It would be a disgrace if some new faces are not hired. This would tell me that JK drank Bailiff's kool aid. I would hope he learned better at Stanford. To make it worst the recruiting has been awful. 2015 class was poor and 2016 is not any better. I have not interest in going to any games, tickets going to waste. I rather tape it and watch it in 30 minutes.

JK is most definitely not drinking the Koolaide. He was at the annual Baseball Banquet tonight, and was clearly not happy with the past two games, despite them ending in victories. What he does about it remains to be seen. The general consensus of folks I spoke with this evening was that we simply do not have the killer instinct under Bailiff. Yesterday's game should have been a route, especially how easily and quickly we jumped out to a 14-point lead. For whatever reason, we took our foot off the pedal, and Army took full advantage. Whether it's play calling, focus level or sense of urgency, something is definitely missing.

After this year, I would love to see JK bring in a new offensive coordinator and get rid of Edmondson if we are stuck with Bailiff another year.

(10-25-2015 09:48 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  JK is most definitely not drinking the Koolaide. He was at the annual Baseball Banquet tonight, and was clearly not happy with the past two games, despite them ending in victories. What he does about it remains to be seen. The general consensus of folks I spoke with this evening was that we simply do not have the killer instinct under Bailiff. Yesterday's game should have been a route, especially how easily and quickly we jumped out to a 14-point lead. For whatever reason, we took our foot off the pedal, and Army took full advantage. Whether it's play calling, focus level or sense of urgency, something is definitely missing.

(10-25-2015 11:32 PM)OldOwl Wrote:  After this year, I would love to see JK bring in a new offensive coordinator and get rid of Edmondson if we are stuck with Bailiff another year.

(10-25-2015 09:48 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  JK is most definitely not drinking the Koolaide. He was at the annual Baseball Banquet tonight, and was clearly not happy with the past two games, despite them ending in victories. What he does about it remains to be seen. The general consensus of folks I spoke with this evening was that we simply do not have the killer instinct under Bailiff. Yesterday's game should have been a route, especially how easily and quickly we jumped out to a 14-point lead. For whatever reason, we took our foot off the pedal, and Army took full advantage. Whether it's play calling, focus level or sense of urgency, something is definitely missing.

I'm torn on the idea about JK being involved with assistand coaching decisions, as his primary role is not to know who can best develop a QB.

I am however of the belief that we need a new QB coach ASAP. If that means we get a new OC as well, so be it. But QBs do not seem to be performing well at all. Also, I have to think a new S&C coach could be due. Not impressed with out S&C recently.

(10-25-2015 11:46 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 11:32 PM)OldOwl Wrote:  After this year, I would love to see JK bring in a new offensive coordinator and get rid of Edmondson if we are stuck with Bailiff another year.

(10-25-2015 09:48 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  JK is most definitely not drinking the Koolaide. He was at the annual Baseball Banquet tonight, and was clearly not happy with the past two games, despite them ending in victories. What he does about it remains to be seen. The general consensus of folks I spoke with this evening was that we simply do not have the killer instinct under Bailiff. Yesterday's game should have been a route, especially how easily and quickly we jumped out to a 14-point lead. For whatever reason, we took our foot off the pedal, and Army took full advantage. Whether it's play calling, focus level or sense of urgency, something is definitely missing.

I'm torn on the idea about JK being involved with assistand coaching decisions, as his primary role is not to know who can best develop a QB.

I am however of the belief that we need a new QB coach ASAP. If that means we get a new OC as well, so be it. But QBs do not seem to be performing well at all. Also, I have to think a new S&C coach could be due. Not impressed with out S&C recently.

Uhhhhh.... He has the best track record of any coach on staff.. http://www.riceowls.com/sports/m-footbl/...15403.html

Strength coaches don't cause torn ACL's.

(10-26-2015 12:17 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 11:46 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 11:32 PM)OldOwl Wrote:  After this year, I would love to see JK bring in a new offensive coordinator and get rid of Edmondson if we are stuck with Bailiff another year.

(10-25-2015 09:48 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  JK is most definitely not drinking the Koolaide. He was at the annual Baseball Banquet tonight, and was clearly not happy with the past two games, despite them ending in victories. What he does about it remains to be seen. The general consensus of folks I spoke with this evening was that we simply do not have the killer instinct under Bailiff. Yesterday's game should have been a route, especially how easily and quickly we jumped out to a 14-point lead. For whatever reason, we took our foot off the pedal, and Army took full advantage. Whether it's play calling, focus level or sense of urgency, something is definitely missing.

I'm torn on the idea about JK being involved with assistand coaching decisions, as his primary role is not to know who can best develop a QB.

I am however of the belief that we need a new QB coach ASAP. If that means we get a new OC as well, so be it. But QBs do not seem to be performing well at all. Also, I have to think a new S&C coach could be due. Not impressed with out S&C recently.

Uhhhhh.... He has the best track record of any coach on staff.. http://www.riceowls.com/sports/m-footbl/...15403.html

Strength coaches don't cause torn ACL's.

I wasn't referring to our injuries, but rather our overall athletic ability which seems to be lacking this year. I thought the results we saw with Yancy McKnight and then more notably under Coach K (Jared Kaaiohelo). He left after the 2012-2013 season, and if you think about some of the players he worked with, he obviously made a BIG impact.

(10-25-2015 11:32 PM)OldOwl Wrote:  After this year, I would love to see JK bring in a new offensive coordinator and get rid of Edmondson if we are stuck with Bailiff another year.

Number one, JK doesn't hire assistant coaches, Bailiff does.
Number two, when AD's get involved at that level, it almost always does more harm than good.
Number three, I think what's really missing is some underlying philosophical approach that is something more substantive than we're going to recruit better and hope to God that it works.

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(10-25-2015 09:48 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  JK is most definitely not drinking the Koolaide. He was at the annual Baseball Banquet tonight, and was clearly not happy with the past two games, despite them ending in victories. What he does about it remains to be seen. The general consensus of folks I spoke with this evening was that we simply do not have the killer instinct under Bailiff. Yesterday's game should have been a route, especially how easily and quickly we jumped out to a 14-point lead. For whatever reason, we took our foot off the pedal, and Army took full advantage. Whether it's play calling, focus level or sense of urgency, something is definitely missing.

I don't see that it's play calling per se. Our play calling never really changed during the game, given down, distance, field position, and other considerations. And we scored 38, which should have been enough to win in any event. I do think the frustration with play calling is more the lack of an overarching philosophical approach. If we had some idea what the hell they were trying to do, it might make more sense. Instead we just seem to have this grab bag approach, and it's nothing new. I've had this same complaint under Mensa, under Zaunbrecher, under Beaty, under Reagan, and under Lynchmondson (when you have two offensive coordinators, you have none). Quite frankly, it was probably somewhat less under Reagan than under anyone else, but pretty much there all along. The constant has been Bailiff.

I do think focus level has been a problem for years, and I've opined on that before. Again, I think it's hard to focus without knowing what to focus on, and I still don't understand what we are trying to do. Not that it needs to be explained to me, but it should be obvious by this point and it simply isn't.

(10-25-2015 11:46 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 11:32 PM)OldOwl Wrote:  After this year, I would love to see JK bring in a new offensive coordinator and get rid of Edmondson if we are stuck with Bailiff another year.

(10-25-2015 09:48 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  JK is most definitely not drinking the Koolaide. He was at the annual Baseball Banquet tonight, and was clearly not happy with the past two games, despite them ending in victories. What he does about it remains to be seen. The general consensus of folks I spoke with this evening was that we simply do not have the killer instinct under Bailiff. Yesterday's game should have been a route, especially how easily and quickly we jumped out to a 14-point lead. For whatever reason, we took our foot off the pedal, and Army took full advantage. Whether it's play calling, focus level or sense of urgency, something is definitely missing.

I'm torn on the idea about JK being involved with assistand coaching decisions, as his primary role is not to know who can best develop a QB.

IMO, if JK has to get involved in who Bailiff should hire, then Bailiff is the wrong guy for sure. You have to trust the people to hire to make the right decision, not micromanage them; if they seem to be incapable of doing so, then replace them.

JK getting involved with the day to day would be like Slick Rick patting butts on the sideline. Not his job and not good for anyone.

Pretty confident JK wouldn't, but just saying.

(10-25-2015 06:21 PM)UTOWL94 Wrote:  Games Won
Wagner # unranked FCS team (56-16) Awful 0-7 FCS team. DB Quote “It doesn’t get better than this, open the season with a W.”
North Texas # 127 out #128 (38-24) Awful 0-7 CUSA opponent. Fired the HC a couple of weeks ago. DB “Team looked good, is always great to get a win on the road”
Florida Atlantic U. #112 (27-26) Awful 1-6 CUSA team that lost yesterday to UTEP.
Army (38-31) #115 Very weak 2-6 independent team. DB “So proud of how we battled, we are getting better every play”
RECAP – we have beaten four teams with a combined record 3-26. Very consistent with last year pattern of beating the really bad teams however this year the team has not looked good at all during these wins. FAU and Army could have easily been losses. Very lucky to be 4-3.
Games Lost
Texas Longhorns #60 (28-42) – Below average if not bad UT team 3-4. “We were a few plays from making it a game, need to continue to work and get better”
Baylor – #2 (17-70) – Lost to an excellent team 7-0 Baylor team ranked in the top 5. The game was over during the first quarter.
Western Kentucky #39 (10-49) – Lost to a good 6-2 CUSA team. Game was over at the half, fortunately they stopped throwing and they only scored 14 points in the second half.
RECAP – we have not competed at all with any of these teams which is disappointing considering the expectation was that this team has the talent to compete with the better teams.
UPCOMING GAMES
LA TECH #53 – 5-3 and favorite to win division. We have home field advantage but has not been a huge factor considering attendance. Prediction – L ; 4-4
At UTEP #123 – (3-4) Not a good team. Probably worst than Army. Prediction a W; 5-4
Southern Miss #84 – (5-3) A team on the rise, they are playing well and should be a close game. We have home field advantage but my prediction is that we win if it rains otherwise it goes to them. L 5-5
At UTSA #116 (1-6) – Awful team that is young and has issues on both sides of the ball. Should win easily by 4. W 6-5
Charlotte (2-5) #119 – Outside of Wagner could be the weakest team we face at home. Team wins by a blowout and DB spins it that we are going bowling again and he will ask for an extension given the impressive 7-5 record.
Observations
We will make it to another bowl probably the New Mexico Bowl and we will get another 6-6 team however this year will be considered a tremendous failure unless something changed and we won the CUSA but not realistic.
We have been outcoached all year, we have the talent but we have not been prepared to play. Our defense got burned yesterday by the running game which does not give us too much hope since we have not been able to stop the pass. Our offense is just as poor outside of our running game. We have more games throwing under 200 (3) than over 300 games (1).
Enjoy and let it rain this Friday…..

Agree, but given the difficulties in pulling off wins against Army and FAU, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see one of the UTEP/UTSA/Charlotte games swing to an "L".

(10-25-2015 09:48 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  JK is most definitely not drinking the Koolaide. He was at the annual Baseball Banquet tonight, and was clearly not happy with the past two games, despite them ending in victories. What he does about it remains to be seen. The general consensus of folks I spoke with this evening was that we simply do not have the killer instinct under Bailiff. Yesterday's game should have been a route, especially how easily and quickly we jumped out to a 14-point lead. For whatever reason, we took our foot off the pedal, and Army took full advantage. Whether it's play calling, focus level or sense of urgency, something is definitely missing.

I wasn't at the annual baseball banquet, so I cannot comment as to what was or wasn't said at the event. So, I was wondering if you could provide some clarification. In your post you intimate that Karlgaard expressed displeasure with the performance of the football team in their past two games. Is this true? The reason I ask is I find it hard to believe that an Athletic Director would attend an event for sport A in which he publicly criticizes sport B's performance/personnel. If truly the case, then that would be irresponsible on their part.

Now, if you and fellow guests were expressing displeasure in the football team, than that's another story and you are in the right to do so. But, if that were the case, then wouldn't these sentiments be better attributed to fans in attendance rather than the Athletics Department leadership?

(10-26-2015 04:33 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 11:32 PM)OldOwl Wrote:  After this year, I would love to see JK bring in a new offensive coordinator and get rid of Edmondson if we are stuck with Bailiff another year.

Number one, JK doesn't hire assistant coaches, Bailiff does.
Number two, when AD's get involved at that level, it almost always does more harm than good.
Number three, I think what's really missing is some underlying philosophical approach that is something more substantive than we're going to recruit better and hope to God that it works.

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(10-25-2015 09:48 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  JK is most definitely not drinking the Koolaide. He was at the annual Baseball Banquet tonight, and was clearly not happy with the past two games, despite them ending in victories. What he does about it remains to be seen. The general consensus of folks I spoke with this evening was that we simply do not have the killer instinct under Bailiff. Yesterday's game should have been a route, especially how easily and quickly we jumped out to a 14-point lead. For whatever reason, we took our foot off the pedal, and Army took full advantage. Whether it's play calling, focus level or sense of urgency, something is definitely missing.

I don't see that it's play calling per se. Our play calling never really changed during the game, given down, distance, field position, and other considerations. And we scored 38, which should have been enough to win in any event. I do think the frustration with play calling is more the lack of an overarching philosophical approach. If we had some idea what the hell they were trying to do, it might make more sense. Instead we just seem to have this grab bag approach, and it's nothing new. I've had this same complaint under Mensa, under Zaunbrecher, under Beaty, under Reagan, and under Lynchmondson (when you have two offensive coordinators, you have none). Quite frankly, it was probably somewhat less under Reagan than under anyone else, but pretty much there all along. The constant has been Bailiff.

I do think focus level has been a problem for years, and I've opined on that before. Again, I think it's hard to focus without knowing what to focus on, and I still don't understand what we are trying to do. Not that it needs to be explained to me, but it should be obvious by this point and it simply isn't.

I generally agree with this, but I could easily see JK saying 'we need some clear indications of change of focus and intensity, up to and including some major shake-ups in the staff' and let David decide what that actually looks like. I don't know how David would take that, and maybe he'd be justified in saying 'my way or fire me'... but I don't think either of those men have egos such that it would get that way. I think David knows he has some issues and they need to work together to solve them.