(09-22-2015 07:24 PM)Okielite Wrote:  As far as realignment goes UCOnn would be better off to combine Genos salary with Diaco and get a good coach instead of dominating a sport nobody cares about. Not being good a football will cost more as far as perception and $ than being good at WBB will ever generate. Sucks but it's true.

The money they pay Geno is money well spent. Even with his salary, UConn's WBB is profitable. Lowering the salary would likely lose money, not help the bottom line.

(09-22-2015 08:16 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 08:10 PM)Okielite Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 08:06 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 08:02 PM)Okielite Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 07:52 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  I worked at the UCONN campuses in both Storrs and Hartford. UCONN to Rentschler Field is exactly 32 minutes when traveling the speed limit.

LOL. And your point is?

Makes no difference it it's 32 minutes or an hour. It's not on campus. IT's not good for UConn.

Your response says it all. Do you see how you still think it's' a good thing that the people of Connecticut decided to built an off campus stadium? It's clearly not but your husky tinted glasses won't' let you see what is so obvious.

Believe what you want but that decision was monumental in keeping UConn out of the p-5 IMO. Almost as bad as playing FCS until the 90's. What were you people thinking?

Just correcting your false information. I also didn't say anything about it being "good" so let me correct you there too.

You dint' correct anything. You gave a obviously biased information bsed on best case scenario that was slightly different than what I said. Take traffic into account and we are back at 45 minutes to an hour. Just like I said. Glad we got that straight.

You said the off campus stadium "served you well". It's right there for people to read.

I'm saying it has not. It has handicapped the program and held the entire state back.

There is a reason that good programs don't' build stadiums 45 minutes to an hour from campus. It was simply a monumental mistake.

Let me correct you again. Please show me where in this thread I, HuskyU, said "served us well."

Also, pretty sure there is nothing biased about distance. It is what it is.

Obviously you want to make it out to be as short as possible, thus we end up with comments like 32 minutes to the stadium. Laffin.

Does anybody else tell you exactly how many minutes it takes to get to their stadium like that? Nope.

Glad we got that straight.

(09-22-2015 08:43 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 07:24 PM)Okielite Wrote:  As far as realignment goes UCOnn would be better off to combine Genos salary with Diaco and get a good coach instead of dominating a sport nobody cares about. Not being good a football will cost more as far as perception and $ than being good at WBB will ever generate. Sucks but it's true.

The money they pay Geno is money well spent. Even with his salary, UConn's WBB is profitable. Lowering the salary would likely lose money, not help the bottom line.

Has focusing on WBB worked out well in realignment for anybody?

(09-22-2015 09:00 PM)Okielite Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 08:16 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 08:10 PM)Okielite Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 08:06 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 08:02 PM)Okielite Wrote:  LOL. And your point is?

Makes no difference it it's 32 minutes or an hour. It's not on campus. IT's not good for UConn.

Your response says it all. Do you see how you still think it's' a good thing that the people of Connecticut decided to built an off campus stadium? It's clearly not but your husky tinted glasses won't' let you see what is so obvious.

Believe what you want but that decision was monumental in keeping UConn out of the p-5 IMO. Almost as bad as playing FCS until the 90's. What were you people thinking?

Just correcting your false information. I also didn't say anything about it being "good" so let me correct you there too.

You dint' correct anything. You gave a obviously biased information bsed on best case scenario that was slightly different than what I said. Take traffic into account and we are back at 45 minutes to an hour. Just like I said. Glad we got that straight.

You said the off campus stadium "served you well". It's right there for people to read.

I'm saying it has not. It has handicapped the program and held the entire state back.

There is a reason that good programs don't' build stadiums 45 minutes to an hour from campus. It was simply a monumental mistake.

Let me correct you again. Please show me where in this thread I, HuskyU, said "served us well."

Also, pretty sure there is nothing biased about distance. It is what it is.

Obviously you want to make it out to be as short as possible, thus we end up with comments like 32 minutes to the stadium. Laffin.

Does anybody else tell you exactly how many minutes it takes to get to their stadium like that? Nope.

Glad we got that straight.

Way to not answer. Laffin all the way to the Rent (25 miles).

(09-22-2015 08:10 PM)Okielite Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 08:06 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 08:02 PM)Okielite Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 07:52 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 07:41 PM)Okielite Wrote:  If you want to argue over 10 minutes of drive time so be it. The stadium is 45 minutes to an hour away depending on traffic. It's' not on campus like the vast majority of p-5 schools.

If you think that is a good think you are entitled to your opinion but I can assure you that when the B1G looks at potential candidates that the off campus stadium is not a good thing.

UConn has 6 mens championships. Don't' get carried away with your "athletic success" talk. Like most schools you are good at 1-2 sports. It's not like you dominated the Big East in Football. Best season in history was a 5 loss effort as Big East co-champs. 3 bowl wins in your entire history, none of which are good bowls. That ain't much.

I worked at the UCONN campuses in both Storrs and Hartford. UCONN to Rentschler Field is exactly 32 minutes when traveling the speed limit.

LOL. And your point is?

Makes no difference it it's 32 minutes or an hour. It's not on campus. IT's not good for UConn.

Your response says it all. Do you see how you still think it's' a good thing that the people of Connecticut decided to built an off campus stadium? It's clearly not but your husky tinted glasses won't' let you see what is so obvious.

Believe what you want but that decision was monumental in keeping UConn out of the p-5 IMO. Almost as bad as playing FCS until the 90's. What were you people thinking?

Just correcting your false information. I also didn't say anything about it being "good" so let me correct you there too.

You dint' correct anything. You gave a obviously biased information bsed on best case scenario that was slightly different than what I said. Take traffic into account and we are back at 45 minutes to an hour. Just like I said. Glad we got that straight.

You said the off campus stadium "served you well". It's right there for people to read.

I'm saying it has not. It has handicapped the program and held the entire state back.

There is a reason that good programs don't' build stadiums 45 minutes to an hour from campus. It was simply a monumental mistake.

I said it served us well and it has, given the circumstances. If campus had better highway access, there may have been a different decision. It's been a great place to watch football though and is convenient for me and most other UConn fans. UConn has had a lot success in multiple sports and our fan base for mbb, wbb, soccer, and now hockey are great. Football has been good before and will rebound. My point was that CT cares about college sports, UConn, which is pretty distinct from the rest of New England.

(09-22-2015 09:02 PM)Okielite Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 08:43 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 07:24 PM)Okielite Wrote:  As far as realignment goes UCOnn would be better off to combine Genos salary with Diaco and get a good coach instead of dominating a sport nobody cares about. Not being good a football will cost more as far as perception and $ than being good at WBB will ever generate. Sucks but it's true.

The money they pay Geno is money well spent. Even with his salary, UConn's WBB is profitable. Lowering the salary would likely lose money, not help the bottom line.

Has focusing on WBB worked out well in realignment for anybody?

UConn is simply focused on building all of its programs and sustaining success.

(09-22-2015 09:10 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 09:02 PM)Okielite Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 08:43 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 07:24 PM)Okielite Wrote:  As far as realignment goes UCOnn would be better off to combine Genos salary with Diaco and get a good coach instead of dominating a sport nobody cares about. Not being good a football will cost more as far as perception and $ than being good at WBB will ever generate. Sucks but it's true.

The money they pay Geno is money well spent. Even with his salary, UConn's WBB is profitable. Lowering the salary would likely lose money, not help the bottom line.

Has focusing on WBB worked out well in realignment for anybody?

UConn is simply focused on building all of its programs and sustaining success.

They might want to start by getting fans to support the AD so the state doesn't' have to subsidize the AD. Ticket sales and donations have a long way to go to achieve p-5 levels. I'm sure that's alarming to the B1G compared to say Kansas who has a 2% subsidy compared to your 38%. KU has 49 million in ticket sales and donations compared to UConn at 17 million. Fan support is the major issue. It's the people of Connecticut's' fault.

(09-22-2015 11:52 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 09:21 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Cool link, thanks for sharing.

Something fishy with Nevada. $1million for an associate professor at a small state med school? More than the other professors (without the "associate")? No way.

This isn't as fishy as it sounds. At least it isn't unusual. In a medical school, the title isn't all that important. What matters more is the doctor's specialty, and the market value of that specialty in private practice. If a guy who is newly hired is in great demand, he's going to get paid - but not likely to be made a full professor out of the gate. As a rule, surgeons make more than other fields.

So the guy is just an associate professor, and he's making more than:

- (full) professors in the same department
- (full) professors in the same college/school
- (full) professors in the university
- the head of the department
- the dean of the college/school
- the president of the university

Hmmm.

(09-24-2015 09:24 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 11:52 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 09:21 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Cool link, thanks for sharing.

Something fishy with Nevada. $1million for an associate professor at a small state med school? More than the other professors (without the "associate")? No way.

This isn't as fishy as it sounds. At least it isn't unusual. In a medical school, the title isn't all that important. What matters more is the doctor's specialty, and the market value of that specialty in private practice. If a guy who is newly hired is in great demand, he's going to get paid - but not likely to be made a full professor out of the gate. As a rule, surgeons make more than other fields.

So the guy is just an associate professor, and he's making more than:

- (full) professors in the same department
- (full) professors in the same college/school
- (full) professors in the university
- the head of the department
- the dean of the college/school
- the president of the university

Hmmm.

You would probably find just this situation at many, if not most, of the medical schools in the country. I doubt there is a single university president or med school dean who is paid more than the highest paid doctor on his faculty.

(09-24-2015 09:24 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 11:52 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 09:21 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Cool link, thanks for sharing.

Something fishy with Nevada. $1million for an associate professor at a small state med school? More than the other professors (without the "associate")? No way.

This isn't as fishy as it sounds. At least it isn't unusual. In a medical school, the title isn't all that important. What matters more is the doctor's specialty, and the market value of that specialty in private practice. If a guy who is newly hired is in great demand, he's going to get paid - but not likely to be made a full professor out of the gate. As a rule, surgeons make more than other fields.

So the guy is just an associate professor, and he's making more than:

- (full) professors in the same department
- (full) professors in the same college/school
- (full) professors in the university
- the head of the department
- the dean of the college/school
- the president of the university

Hmmm.

If it's like most of these situations, being associate professor is one of his sources of income, not even his primary one. He's a state employee, but the state isn't the one paying him most of that.

If he's making 700K a year doing plastic surgery and 250K a year teaching, he's still an associate professor and still making 950K a year.

A ha! I knew there was something fishy.

Right. So he's a clinician. He makes his money as a clinician. The university pays him $50k as an associate, but public records show his full salary.

(09-24-2015 12:12 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  A ha! I knew there was something fishy.

Right. So he's a clinician. He makes his money as a clinician. The university pays him $50k as an associate, but public records show his full salary.

Not unusual. He is treating patients and the medical school gets money from his practice. I looked up his bio and he specializes in reconstructive hand surgery. In fact, he is apparently the only physician in the entire state who is fellowship trained in both plastic surgery and orthopedic surgery.

Given his credentials and being at the med school he is likely drawing referrals from the entire state and maybe even some neighboring states as well.

He might have an argument he is underpaid.

(09-24-2015 12:42 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 12:12 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  A ha! I knew there was something fishy.

Right. So he's a clinician. He makes his money as a clinician. The university pays him $50k as an associate, but public records show his full salary.

Not unusual. He is treating patients and the medical school gets money from his practice. I looked up his bio and he specializes in reconstructive hand surgery. In fact, he is apparently the only physician in the entire state who is fellowship trained in both plastic surgery and orthopedic surgery.

Given his credentials and being at the med school he is likely drawing referrals from the entire state and maybe even some neighboring states as well.

He might have an argument he is underpaid.

But the spirit of the article makes it seem that the university is paying him the figure shown for being a professor.

There was more to the story than that. Now I understand the full story. He's paid that much for being a gifted surgeon in the university hospital.

He's providing value that corresponds to revenue outside the typical revenue structure of the university. Same as a football or basketball coach. It's not exclusively tax dollars that support his salary.

OkieLite is TallGrass right?

(09-24-2015 12:55 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 12:42 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 12:12 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  A ha! I knew there was something fishy.

Right. So he's a clinician. He makes his money as a clinician. The university pays him $50k as an associate, but public records show his full salary.

Not unusual. He is treating patients and the medical school gets money from his practice. I looked up his bio and he specializes in reconstructive hand surgery. In fact, he is apparently the only physician in the entire state who is fellowship trained in both plastic surgery and orthopedic surgery.

Given his credentials and being at the med school he is likely drawing referrals from the entire state and maybe even some neighboring states as well.

He might have an argument he is underpaid.

But the spirit of the article makes it seem that the university is paying him the figure shown for being a professor.

There was more to the story than that. Now I understand the full story. He's paid that much for being a gifted surgeon in the university hospital.

He's providing value that corresponds to revenue outside the typical revenue structure of the university. Same as a football or basketball coach. It's not exclusively tax dollars that support his salary.

I think what you are saying is pure speculation, and unless there is some evidence that this is the case, it is irrelevant. Medical school salaries in this range may not be the norm, but neither are they unusual. Depending on the size of the med school, a dean might earn in the $300K -$600K range and have 15-20 faculty members who earn more than he does. That's not money from outside sources. That is straight salary.

(09-24-2015 02:57 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 12:55 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 12:42 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 12:12 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  A ha! I knew there was something fishy.

Right. So he's a clinician. He makes his money as a clinician. The university pays him $50k as an associate, but public records show his full salary.

Not unusual. He is treating patients and the medical school gets money from his practice. I looked up his bio and he specializes in reconstructive hand surgery. In fact, he is apparently the only physician in the entire state who is fellowship trained in both plastic surgery and orthopedic surgery.

Given his credentials and being at the med school he is likely drawing referrals from the entire state and maybe even some neighboring states as well.

He might have an argument he is underpaid.

But the spirit of the article makes it seem that the university is paying him the figure shown for being a professor.

There was more to the story than that. Now I understand the full story. He's paid that much for being a gifted surgeon in the university hospital.

He's providing value that corresponds to revenue outside the typical revenue structure of the university. Same as a football or basketball coach. It's not exclusively tax dollars that support his salary.

I think what you are saying is pure speculation, and unless there is some evidence that this is the case, it is irrelevant. Medical school salaries in this range may not be the norm, but neither are they unusual. Depending on the size of the med school, a dean might earn in the $300K -$600K range and have 15-20 faculty members who earn more than he does. That's not money from outside sources. That is straight salary.

Yes a salary ... but for doing what? Just being a researcher and professor? Or for also being a clinician in the university clinic (hospital)?

That matters.

(09-24-2015 03:00 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 02:57 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 12:55 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 12:42 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 12:12 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  A ha! I knew there was something fishy.

Right. So he's a clinician. He makes his money as a clinician. The university pays him $50k as an associate, but public records show his full salary.

Not unusual. He is treating patients and the medical school gets money from his practice. I looked up his bio and he specializes in reconstructive hand surgery. In fact, he is apparently the only physician in the entire state who is fellowship trained in both plastic surgery and orthopedic surgery.

Given his credentials and being at the med school he is likely drawing referrals from the entire state and maybe even some neighboring states as well.

He might have an argument he is underpaid.

But the spirit of the article makes it seem that the university is paying him the figure shown for being a professor.

There was more to the story than that. Now I understand the full story. He's paid that much for being a gifted surgeon in the university hospital.

He's providing value that corresponds to revenue outside the typical revenue structure of the university. Same as a football or basketball coach. It's not exclusively tax dollars that support his salary.

I think what you are saying is pure speculation, and unless there is some evidence that this is the case, it is irrelevant. Medical school salaries in this range may not be the norm, but neither are they unusual. Depending on the size of the med school, a dean might earn in the $300K -$600K range and have 15-20 faculty members who earn more than he does. That's not money from outside sources. That is straight salary.

Yes a salary ... but for doing what? Just being a researcher and professor? Or for also being a clinician in the university clinic (hospital)?

That matters.

I'm not sure why it matters. Med school professors don't just teach classes. Some never teach any. In fact, after the first year, there is very little classroom work for students. The teaching is, by necessity, happening in a clinical setting. Virtually all professors treat patients in their specialty.

(09-24-2015 12:55 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 12:42 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 12:12 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  A ha! I knew there was something fishy.

Right. So he's a clinician. He makes his money as a clinician. The university pays him $50k as an associate, but public records show his full salary.

Not unusual. He is treating patients and the medical school gets money from his practice. I looked up his bio and he specializes in reconstructive hand surgery. In fact, he is apparently the only physician in the entire state who is fellowship trained in both plastic surgery and orthopedic surgery.

Given his credentials and being at the med school he is likely drawing referrals from the entire state and maybe even some neighboring states as well.

He might have an argument he is underpaid.

But the spirit of the article makes it seem that the university is paying him the figure shown for being a professor.

There was more to the story than that. Now I understand the full story. He's paid that much for being a gifted surgeon in the university hospital.

He's providing value that corresponds to revenue outside the typical revenue structure of the university. Same as a football or basketball coach. It's not exclusively tax dollars that support his salary.

I would argue that coaching is not the same at all. In sports, there is ALWAYS a winner and a loser. The SEC has 14 teams playing an 8-game schedule, so there's 56 conference wins up for grabs. You could have 14 high school coaches in the SEC and they'd still split 56 wins amongst them. If Nick Saban was never hired and Bama was below average, odds are that Houston Nutt and/or Tommy Tuberville would be considered great coaches and never would have been fired.

In medicine (and most other fields), you're actually creating value. That hand surgeon can do things that can't be done by anyone else in Nevada (and given his salary, perhaps no one else in the world). Odds are that if he didn't do it then no one else would.

That's the complete opposite of a zero-sum game. If this hand surgeon had never been hired, it's not like some other hand surgeon would have been able to take on more patients or mimic his ground-breaking techniques.

(09-24-2015 02:00 PM)Huskies12 Wrote:  OkieLite is TallGrass right?

Thanks for proving my point about Uconn fans.

(09-24-2015 06:29 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  I would argue that coaching is not the same at all. In sports, there is ALWAYS a winner and a loser. The SEC has 14 teams playing an 8-game schedule, so there's 56 conference wins up for grabs. You could have 14 high school coaches in the SEC and they'd still split 56 wins amongst them. If Nick Saban was never hired and Bama was below average, odds are that Houston Nutt and/or Tommy Tuberville would be considered great coaches and never would have been fired.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tie_(draw)

But I get your point. I just wanted to be an anal nit-picking Nazi for a minute.