(09-20-2015 08:55 AM)westwolf Wrote:  Wow. I know I'm impressed. BTW, I make the AAC 3-10 vs Power 5 while MWC is 2-16. The gap continues to widen.

Nonconference:

American is 18-12
MWC is 12-22

Not counting P5:

American is 15-2
MWC is 10-6

This will bite Boise in the butt.

(09-20-2015 09:29 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-20-2015 02:39 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Yep I missed Houston somehow.

They don't have a future ranked team on the schedule so like Boise State this season they appear to be SOL.

True, but it's possible Memphis (or another AAC opponent) might be ranked by the time they play Houston. Most of Houston's games against the top of the AAC occur later in the season---so there is time for an AAC school to work its way into the top 25.

I will have to make an adjustment to the list when that happens.

(09-20-2015 02:39 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  They don't have a future ranked team on the schedule so like Boise State this season they appear to be SOL.

Idiotic statement.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...-the-field

(09-20-2015 09:43 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(09-20-2015 02:39 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  They don't have a future ranked team on the schedule so like Boise State this season they appear to be SOL.

Idiotic statement.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...-the-field

That list was from last week.

Last year the autobid race mostly came down to East Carolina (AAC) and Boise State (MWC) on the backs of their non-conference schedule.

ECU choked during AAC play ending up not winning the conference while Boise State delivered their conference championship.

This year the difference is the MAC has taken the place of the MWC in the discussion because they are the conference with the non-conference resume schools. They've made a New Years Day bowl before unlike CUSA/SBC and have a tradition of producing schools with near undefeated records.

Memphis and Temple at this point could finish 9-3 with Houston winning the AAC at 8-4. Very similar to last year where the AAC doesn't produce a champion with less than 2 wins. I would be surprised if any of these schools ended up better than 10-3 on the season because they all have to play each other.

There is a good chance the winner of the Toledo/NIU game finishes 11-2 or better which is why I think the conference has the inside track for the autobid at this point in time. Both schools are something like 30-1 vs. MAC competition the last 5 years EXCEPT Toledo has lost to NIU. These are facts the non-MAC fan is wholly unaware of I understand.

Toledo plays Bowling Green and NIU play Ohio the two best MAC East schools. NIU could beat Toledo for the West title, beat Ohio in the final game of the season which then hands the East title to Bowling Green. NIU could then defeat Bowling Green in the MAC title game the next week.

If Temple can beat Notre Dame or Memphis beats Ole Miss that would change the equation in favor of the AAC but for the moment the MAC has the inside track.

(09-20-2015 09:43 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(09-20-2015 02:39 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  They don't have a future ranked team on the schedule so like Boise State this season they appear to be SOL.

Idiotic statement.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...-the-field

With UCF losing to Furman, and East Carolina's 2 loses, plus Temple's 2 point win over U.Mass. hurts the AAC in a long run. We could see both Boise State and Toledo enter the Top 25. Wins or loses does not mean that you are that good. Ask Florida State last year? They played nobody really.

(09-20-2015 10:24 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-20-2015 09:43 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(09-20-2015 02:39 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  They don't have a future ranked team on the schedule so like Boise State this season they appear to be SOL.

Idiotic statement.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...-the-field

With UCF losing to Furman, and East Carolina's 2 loses, plus Temple's 2 point win over U.Mass. hurts the AAC in a long run. We could see both Boise State and Toledo enter the Top 25. Wins or loses does not mean that you are that good. Ask Florida State last year? They played nobody really.

Until Toledo manages to beat NIU, i don't give them the nod. More impressive resume right now no doubt, but they always get the shakes when they see NIU on the opposite side of the field...

(09-20-2015 12:29 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  This week there was 3 games involving the AAC and the MAC. The AAC ended up going 3-0 in those games showing the country what they were made of in an attempt to position themselves for the G5 autobid.

Fantastic wins against amazing opponents. It sure makes you feel like the AAC is on the fast track to becoming the 6th power conference......

Memphis 44 Bowling Green 41
Temple 25 Massachusetts 22
Cincinnati 37 Miami 33

Meanwhile Toledo took care of business beating Iowa State at home. Northern Illinois played the defending national champion Ohio State within 7 points on the road. Ohio is 3-0 and is setting up for a showdown against Minnesota another 3-0 team next week.

The winner of the Toledo/NIU game is on pace to win the MAC so that will be another quality win there and setting up for a MAC title game against what could be another quality win against a 10 win Ohio squad.

Bowling Green is a helluva football team and gave us more than we wanted. It was anybody's game all the way to the end.

Don't want a re match. Nothing but respect

(09-20-2015 10:17 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(09-20-2015 09:43 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(09-20-2015 02:39 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  They don't have a future ranked team on the schedule so like Boise State this season they appear to be SOL.

Idiotic statement.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...-the-field

That list was from last week.

Last year the autobid race mostly came down to East Carolina (AAC) and Boise State (MWC) on the backs of their non-conference schedule.

ECU choked during AAC play ending up not winning the conference while Boise State delivered their conference championship.

This year the difference is the MAC has taken the place of the MWC in the discussion because they are the conference with the non-conference resume schools. They've made a New Years Day bowl before unlike CUSA/SBC and have a tradition of producing schools with near undefeated records.

Memphis and Temple at this point could finish 9-3 with Houston winning the AAC at 8-4. Very similar to last year where the AAC doesn't produce a champion with less than 2 wins. I would be surprised if any of these schools ended up better than 10-3 on the season because they all have to play each other.

There is a good chance the winner of the Toledo/NIU game finishes 11-2 or better which is why I think the conference has the inside track for the autobid at this point in time. Both schools are something like 30-1 vs. MAC competition the last 5 years EXCEPT Toledo has lost to NIU. These are facts the non-MAC fan is wholly unaware of I understand.

Toledo plays Bowling Green and NIU play Ohio the two best MAC East schools. NIU could beat Toledo for the West title, beat Ohio in the final game of the season which then hands the East title to Bowling Green. NIU could then defeat Bowling Green in the MAC title game the next week.

If Temple can beat Notre Dame or Memphis beats Ole Miss that would change the equation in favor of the AAC but for the moment the MAC has the inside track.

True, but the AAC also has a similar scheduling quirk that would allow the possibility of 2 undefeated teams in the AAC CCG (Houston and Temple don't play in the regular season this year). That's all light years away. At this point it just week 3.

http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

With 29 polls reporting, the average rank for G5 conferences:

American 77

MWC 89
MAC 89
CUSA 92

Sun Belt 99

(09-20-2015 05:23 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

With 29 polls reporting, the average rank for G5 conferences:

American 77

MWC 89
MAC 89
CUSA 92

Sun Belt 99

I don't think the committee is going to be that fancy about it.

It going to be what champ has the best non-conference schedule vs. success against that schedule.

The MAC gained on AAC in the Sagarins from last week despite losing 3 home games to the AAC.

Last Week
31 Memphis
69 Bowling Green

51 Temple
158 Massachusetts

63 Cincinnati
163 Miami-Ohio

This Week
43 Memphis (-12)
65 Bowling Green (+4)

56 Temple (-5)
145 Massachusetts (+13)

78 Cincinnati (-15)
156 Miami-Ohio (+7)

(09-20-2015 06:25 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(09-20-2015 05:23 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

With 29 polls reporting, the average rank for G5 conferences:

American 77

MWC 89
MAC 89
CUSA 92

Sun Belt 99

I don't think the committee is going to be that fancy about it.

It going to be what champ has the best non-conference schedule vs. success against that schedule.

The MAC gained on AAC in the Sagarins from last week despite losing 3 home games to the AAC.

Last Week
31 Memphis
69 Bowling Green

51 Temple
158 Massachusetts

63 Cincinnati
163 Miami-Ohio

This Week
43 Memphis (-12)
65 Bowling Green (+4)

56 Temple (-5)
145 Massachusetts (+13)

78 Cincinnati (-15)
156 Miami-Ohio (+7)

it's the ENTIRE schedule. If one of the AAC west teams is the AAC champion- they are going to be tough to beat. Partly because of OOC- but also they have the others of Memphis, Houston, and Navy. That's going to be 2 really good games. That's something that isn't guaranteed with the MAC.

(09-20-2015 06:31 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-20-2015 06:25 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(09-20-2015 05:23 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

With 29 polls reporting, the average rank for G5 conferences:

American 77

MWC 89
MAC 89
CUSA 92

Sun Belt 99

I don't think the committee is going to be that fancy about it.

It going to be what champ has the best non-conference schedule vs. success against that schedule.

The MAC gained on AAC in the Sagarins from last week despite losing 3 home games to the AAC.

Last Week
31 Memphis
69 Bowling Green

51 Temple
158 Massachusetts

63 Cincinnati
163 Miami-Ohio

This Week
43 Memphis (-12)
65 Bowling Green (+4)

56 Temple (-5)
145 Massachusetts (+13)

78 Cincinnati (-15)
156 Miami-Ohio (+7)

it's the ENTIRE schedule. If one of the AAC west teams is the AAC champion- they are going to be tough to beat. Partly because of OOC- but also they have the others of Memphis, Houston, and Navy. That's going to be 2 really good games. That's something that isn't guaranteed with the MAC.

Toledo is playing Bowling Green and NIU.

NIU is playing Toledo and Ohio.

The problem with the AAC is it's not top heavy enough like MWC 1.0 was. To become a top heavy conference it takes a few years.

Cincinnati, Temple, Houston, UCF and USF have recruiting advantages over the others. It will take a few years for it to set in.

The MAC has been around 70 years so recruiting patterns are well established IMO.

right now future opponents-
Toledo 10-16
NIU 15-11(and already have a loss)

Temple 14-13
Cincy 16-10(already have a loss)
Navy 17-12
Memphis 17-8
Houston 15-14

Also Boise- their remaining schedule- only 9-18.

(09-20-2015 06:25 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  1. It going to be what champ has the best non-conference schedule vs. success against that schedule.

2. The MAC gained on AAC in the Sagarins from last week despite losing 3 home games to the AAC.

Last Week
31 Memphis
69 Bowling Green

51 Temple
158 Massachusetts

63 Cincinnati
163 Miami-Ohio

This Week
43 Memphis (-12)
65 Bowling Green (+4)

56 Temple (-5)
145 Massachusetts (+13)

78 Cincinnati (-15)
156 Miami-Ohio (+7)

1. Idiotic statement. The whole schedule will be considered. Not just nonconference. See Boise State at 9-2 being ahead of 11-0 Marshall by the committee last Thanksgiving when Marshall was ahead of Boise by 5 or 6 spots in the Coaches and AP poll.. If you don't agree conference SOS played a significant role in that committee ranking, then you are beyond help.

2. Only a shyster would pick one poll from which to show comparisons in order to make things look more dramatic in their favor.

Last week Massey Composite (58 rankings):

32 Memphis
45 Temple
61 Cincy

76 Bowling Green
119 UMass
123 Miami O

This week's Massey Composite (29 rankings and more to come):

32 Memphis (same)
45 Temple (same)
66 Cincy (lost 5 spots)

74 Bowling Green (gained 2)
117 UMass (gained 2)
121 Miami O (gained 2)

Congrats. The MAC played well in losing efforts. That and $4 gets you a Starbucks.

Lol wow

Excuse me. I normally have Kittenhead on ignore because I disagree or don't care about what he writes.

But this whole thread disrespecting the American conference after we took care of business yesterday in three MAC stadiums was too rich to pass up.

(09-20-2015 12:29 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  This week there was 3 games involving the AAC and the MAC. The AAC ended up going 3-0 in those games showing the country what they were made of in an attempt to position themselves for the G5 autobid.

Fantastic wins against amazing opponents. It sure makes you feel like the AAC is on the fast track to becoming the 6th power conference......

Memphis 44 Bowling Green 41
Temple 25 Massachusetts 22
Cincinnati 37 Miami 33

Meanwhile Toledo took care of business beating Iowa State at home. Northern Illinois played the defending national champion Ohio State within 7 points on the road. Ohio is 3-0 and is setting up for a showdown against Minnesota another 3-0 team next week.

The winner of the Toledo/NIU game is on pace to win the MAC so that will be another quality win there and setting up for a MAC title game against what could be another quality win against a 10 win Ohio squad.

It's not a very good look when you have to brag about losing 3 home games. Just an observation.

(09-20-2015 02:19 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-20-2015 12:29 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  This week there was 3 games involving the AAC and the MAC. The AAC ended up going 3-0 in those games showing the country what they were made of in an attempt to position themselves for the G5 autobid.

Fantastic wins against amazing opponents. It sure makes you feel like the AAC is on the fast track to becoming the 6th power conference......

Memphis 44 Bowling Green 41
Temple 25 Massachusetts 22
Cincinnati 37 Miami 33

Meanwhile Toledo took care of business beating Iowa State at home. Northern Illinois played the defending national champion Ohio State within 7 points on the road. Ohio is 3-0 and is setting up for a showdown against Minnesota another 3-0 team next week.

The winner of the Toledo/NIU game is on pace to win the MAC so that will be another quality win there and setting up for a MAC title game against what could be another quality win against a 10 win Ohio squad.

Bowling Green is a helluva football team and gave us more than we wanted. It was anybody's game all the way to the end.

Don't want a re match. Nothing but respect

Ditto. That's a hell of a team. MAC is good this year.

(09-20-2015 02:28 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(09-20-2015 12:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Looks like three touted AAC teams barely squeaked by some very mediocre MAC teams.

AAC teams were rated far higher in the Sagarins.

31 Memphis
69 Bowling Green

51 Temple
158 Massachusetts

63 Cincinnati
163 Miami-Ohio

Every school in the MAC out preformed its Sagarin prediction this week. All except Eastern Michigan who was -4 hosting Ball State but lost by 11.

LOL. The MAC teams were the home teams. So the fact that all of AAC teams won on the road should tell you something.

(09-20-2015 10:24 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-20-2015 09:43 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(09-20-2015 02:39 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  They don't have a future ranked team on the schedule so like Boise State this season they appear to be SOL.

Idiotic statement.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...-the-field

With UCF losing to Furman, and East Carolina's 2 loses, plus Temple's 2 point win over U.Mass. hurts the AAC in a long run. We could see both Boise State and Toledo enter the Top 25. Wins or loses does not mean that you are that good. Ask Florida State last year? They played nobody really.

Ummm, the MWC has lost 21 straight games against FBS competition. Boise has a cakewalk to the conference title, but they will not get the Access Bowl this year, because they are basically Marshall playing in CUSA.