(09-07-2015 01:00 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  No, but when you guys try to act as if your attendance would double in the AAC, it is a back handed slap to the rest of your conference mates.

I don't think its your attendance that bothers anyone. If that were the case then I'm sure EMU would have already been kicked from the conference. What's annoying are the excuses. Whats annoying to your conference mates is the comments that insinuate they are part of your attendance problems. Obviously moving to the MWC wouldn't help your attendance, that was proven by your week 1 attendance.

(09-07-2015 01:49 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 11:04 AM)HuskieAlumnus03 Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 10:59 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 09:24 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  Of course that's what happened. NIU always has some excuse for their attendance.

Just face it man, your attendance is pathetic for as much as you guys have been winning the last few years. Also, no one would really care if you weren't always out running your mouth about how NIU was a contender for a spot in the Big 12. Or if you would stop trying to claim the Chicago market. Start actually drawing the DeKalb market first.

At least 15,000 fans is an improvement from your average of 13k last year.

The more annoying part is the belief that if they were in the American their attendance would suddenly be 25-30k

Why does that annoy you?

A lot of things annoy him. See spin room.

Oh god no! I can't go back there, ill come out w/ -33 rep points. I'll look like Ben44 or Jons99 two of theNealT's past personas.

(09-07-2015 02:00 PM)westernwilly Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 01:00 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  No, but when you guys try to act as if your attendance would double in the AAC, it is a back handed slap to the rest of your conference mates.

I don't think its your attendance that bothers anyone. If that were the case then I'm sure EMU would have already been kicked from the conference. What's annoying are the excuses. Whats annoying to your conference mates is the comments that insinuate they are part of your attendance problems. Obviously moving to the MWC wouldn't help your attendance, that was proven by your week 1 attendance.

I know that this will make you MAC fans happy BUT very few want to pay money to see MAC teams in person. It is that simple. It is still seen as small time football and despite how many strides Toledo, NIU or other MAC teams make trying to change that, it will always remain.

"BUT very few want to pay money to see MAC teams in person."

Yes. Sadly, this includes their own teams.

(09-07-2015 10:03 AM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 09:24 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  Of course that's what happened. NIU always has some excuse for their attendance.

Just face it man, your attendance is pathetic for as much as you guys have been winning the last few years. Also, no one would really care if you weren't always out running your mouth about how NIU was a contender for a spot in the Big 12. Or if you would stop trying to claim the Chicago market. Start actually drawing the DeKalb market first.

At least 15,000 fans is an improvement from your average of 13k last year.

Cant argue attendence was ****

Yep. Our home attendance is pathetic. No excuses.

We just have to deal with poor attendance while the rest of the MAC has to deal with our football team. Good luck.

(09-07-2015 02:22 PM)axeme Wrote:  "BUT very few want to pay money to see MAC teams in person."

Yes. Sadly, this includes their own teams.

Did I say it didn't? This is why some NIU fans think moving from the MAC would probably increase attendance. Will it double probably not but will probably go up a few thousand(3-5) depending on the conference and teams in the conference.

Telling ESPN to take their TV scheduling of MAC games and shove it would help attendance greatly. can't expect fans to buy season tickets when 2 of the 5 or 6 hoome games are midweek and they aren't able to attend.

(09-07-2015 10:49 AM)HuskieAlumnus03 Wrote:  Has EMU changed the modus operendi on reporting attendance, seems awfully low, they usually average around 16-19K...

I think corps have given up buying most of the tickets on a sinking ship so they now have to reflect the actual attendance.

(09-07-2015 03:00 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 10:49 AM)HuskieAlumnus03 Wrote:  Has EMU changed the modus operendi on reporting attendance, seems awfully low, they usually average around 16-19K...

I think corps have given up buying most of the tickets on a sinking ship so they now have to reflect the actual attendance.

Yeah EMU is in a HORRIBLE spot being 7 miles away from U of Michigan... not sure it gets much worse than that. I mean all you can really do at that point is try your hardest to NEVER schedule a game when they play and try to tie yourself into a package deal of some sort with their tickets. And lower the prices drastically.

(09-07-2015 02:57 PM)Policiious Wrote:  Telling ESPN to take their TV scheduling of MAC games and shove it would help attendance greatly. can't expect fans to buy season tickets when 2 of the 5 or 6 hoome games are midweek and they aren't able to attend.

yes, that's the solution. take the MAC off of TV. I remember back when I was an undergrad me and my friends would stand in line for hours on those cold November Saturdays trying to get into another sold out MAC game. We had a good thing going until national exposure ruined it for everyone.

(09-07-2015 04:54 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 02:57 PM)Policiious Wrote:  Telling ESPN to take their TV scheduling of MAC games and shove it would help attendance greatly. can't expect fans to buy season tickets when 2 of the 5 or 6 hoome games are midweek and they aren't able to attend.

yes, that's the solution. take the MAC off of TV. I remember back when I was an undergrad me and my friends would stand in line for hours on those cold November Saturdays trying to get into another sold out MAC game. We had a good thing going until national exposure ruined it for everyone.

Can you say it has helped much for attendance? Has attendance really risen since those days? I think it helped get NIU to the Orange Bowl but that is about it.

(09-07-2015 03:00 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 10:49 AM)HuskieAlumnus03 Wrote:  Has EMU changed the modus operendi on reporting attendance, seems awfully low, they usually average around 16-19K...

I think corps have given up buying most of the tickets on a sinking ship so they now have to reflect the actual attendance.

Nope. Still have the Pepsi contract. Pepsi buys a bunch of tickets every other year. This is the off year.

(09-07-2015 05:14 PM)masttg Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 03:00 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 10:49 AM)HuskieAlumnus03 Wrote:  Has EMU changed the modus operendi on reporting attendance, seems awfully low, they usually average around 16-19K...

I think corps have given up buying most of the tickets on a sinking ship so they now have to reflect the actual attendance.

Nope. Still have the Pepsi contract. Pepsi buys a bunch of tickets every other year. This is the off year.

Ah. Thanks. Thought it was an every year thing.

You put every game on TV, or at least ESPN3, AND put 2-3 out of 5-6 home games on a weeknight, that is going to affect attendance, no question about it. The only question is, is the money and "exposure" worth it? Where are the numbers that indicate it's worth it? Maybe it is but I haven't seen anything to indicate that.

(09-07-2015 04:54 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 02:57 PM)Policiious Wrote:  Telling ESPN to take their TV scheduling of MAC games and shove it would help attendance greatly. can't expect fans to buy season tickets when 2 of the 5 or 6 hoome games are midweek and they aren't able to attend.

yes, that's the solution. take the MAC off of TV. I remember back when I was an undergrad me and my friends would stand in line for hours on those cold November Saturdays trying to get into another sold out MAC game. We had a good thing going until national exposure ruined it for everyone.

Everyone does realize the MAC football contract with ESPN was extended through the 2026-2027 season, right? NOTHING is going to change for the next 11+ years.

I don't know about the other MAC coaches, but Kill, Doeren and Carey all have said the ESPN deal was a positive thing for NIU football.

(09-07-2015 05:08 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 04:54 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 02:57 PM)Policiious Wrote:  Telling ESPN to take their TV scheduling of MAC games and shove it would help attendance greatly. can't expect fans to buy season tickets when 2 of the 5 or 6 hoome games are midweek and they aren't able to attend.

yes, that's the solution. take the MAC off of TV. I remember back when I was an undergrad me and my friends would stand in line for hours on those cold November Saturdays trying to get into another sold out MAC game. We had a good thing going until national exposure ruined it for everyone.

Can you say it has helped much for attendance? Has attendance really risen since those days? I think it helped get NIU to the Orange Bowl but that is about it.

yes, I can say it has risen for Ohio, the numbers bear it out.

Huskie Stadium holds 23,595, last season you played 5 home games with an average attendance of 13,563. That means 50,162 tickets went unsold, that is the value of your "opportunity". Now that we have a hard number for reference let me ask two questions-

1. If your goal is to get more people watching NIU play football which will give you the bigger audience, a full stadium or a half full stadium + broadcast on ESPN?
2. If your goal is more revenue then which will produce more- selling 50K additional tickets or getting a share of the TV contract ($833,333/yr)?

weeknight MACtion games are not ideal but the good outweighs the bad.

(09-07-2015 06:47 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 04:54 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 02:57 PM)Policiious Wrote:  Telling ESPN to take their TV scheduling of MAC games and shove it would help attendance greatly. can't expect fans to buy season tickets when 2 of the 5 or 6 hoome games are midweek and they aren't able to attend.

yes, that's the solution. take the MAC off of TV. I remember back when I was an undergrad me and my friends would stand in line for hours on those cold November Saturdays trying to get into another sold out MAC game. We had a good thing going until national exposure ruined it for everyone.

Everyone does realize the MAC football contract with ESPN was extended through the 2026-2027 season, right? NOTHING is going to change for the next 11+ years.

I don't know about the other MAC coaches, but Kill, Doeren and Carey all have said the ESPN deal was a positive thing for NIU football.

I think he was being sarcastic.

(09-07-2015 07:13 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 06:47 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 04:54 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 02:57 PM)Policiious Wrote:  Telling ESPN to take their TV scheduling of MAC games and shove it would help attendance greatly. can't expect fans to buy season tickets when 2 of the 5 or 6 hoome games are midweek and they aren't able to attend.

yes, that's the solution. take the MAC off of TV. I remember back when I was an undergrad me and my friends would stand in line for hours on those cold November Saturdays trying to get into another sold out MAC game. We had a good thing going until national exposure ruined it for everyone.

Everyone does realize the MAC football contract with ESPN was extended through the 2026-2027 season, right? NOTHING is going to change for the next 11+ years.

I don't know about the other MAC coaches, but Kill, Doeren and Carey all have said the ESPN deal was a positive thing for NIU football.

I think he was being sarcastic.

Did it occur to you that's why I responded with this?

(09-07-2015 06:51 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 05:08 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 04:54 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 02:57 PM)Policiious Wrote:  Telling ESPN to take their TV scheduling of MAC games and shove it would help attendance greatly. can't expect fans to buy season tickets when 2 of the 5 or 6 hoome games are midweek and they aren't able to attend.

yes, that's the solution. take the MAC off of TV. I remember back when I was an undergrad me and my friends would stand in line for hours on those cold November Saturdays trying to get into another sold out MAC game. We had a good thing going until national exposure ruined it for everyone.

Can you say it has helped much for attendance? Has attendance really risen since those days? I think it helped get NIU to the Orange Bowl but that is about it.

yes, I can say it has risen for Ohio, the numbers bear it out.

Huskie Stadium holds 23,595, last season you played 5 home games with an average attendance of 13,563. That means 50,162 tickets went unsold, that is the value of your "opportunity". Now that we have a hard number for reference let me ask two questions-

1. If your goal is to get more people watching NIU play football which will give you the bigger audience, a full stadium or a half full stadium + broadcast on ESPN?
2. If your goal is more revenue then which will produce more- selling 50K additional tickets or getting a share of the TV contract ($833,333/yr)?

weeknight MACtion games are not ideal but the good outweighs the bad.

And how many of those games were on weekdays due to ESPN coverage? I don't know about Athens but people up here work for a living and/or have families. Not to mention the time to drive to DeKalb from home and/or work. In some/many cases it isn't even possible to get to a game by the time it starts.

(09-07-2015 07:28 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 07:13 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 06:47 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 04:54 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 02:57 PM)Policiious Wrote:  Telling ESPN to take their TV scheduling of MAC games and shove it would help attendance greatly. can't expect fans to buy season tickets when 2 of the 5 or 6 hoome games are midweek and they aren't able to attend.

yes, that's the solution. take the MAC off of TV. I remember back when I was an undergrad me and my friends would stand in line for hours on those cold November Saturdays trying to get into another sold out MAC game. We had a good thing going until national exposure ruined it for everyone.

Everyone does realize the MAC football contract with ESPN was extended through the 2026-2027 season, right? NOTHING is going to change for the next 11+ years.

I don't know about the other MAC coaches, but Kill, Doeren and Carey all have said the ESPN deal was a positive thing for NIU football.

I think he was being sarcastic.

Did it occur to you that's why I responded with this?

I read that differently than you apparently meant.