(09-03-2015 04:59 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 04:50 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 03:08 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 03:04 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 03:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  And why is she refusing a court order?

And why didn't she simply resign and make a statement about why she resigned to the press?

Why should she have to give up her livelihood just so some degenerates can commit sin?

**** YOU *******. I AM NOT A DEGENERATE.

People like you, and Davis, are the scum of the earth. You and your type of no place in the United States. The USA is NOT a ******* Theocracy.

If you are so high and mighty about being a Christian, then ban divorce and a multitude of other things that Jesus actually preached about.

If not, STFU about calling AMERICANS and Humans degenerates.

1 - Jesus preached that divorce was ok if there was infidelity (ok but not preferred)

2 - Jesus said Marriage is a man and a woman

3 - Freedom of speech exists and people who say things that offend you do indeed have a place in america...

Other than that great post!

Jesus spoke nothing of marriage the way are portraying it.

And Jesus has NOTHING to do with the United States, our Constitution, or following the laws of the land.

(09-03-2015 05:04 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 04:55 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  How are gays being intolerant? By standing up to be treated equally? Not sure you understand what you are talking about.

If it began and ended there, with things like this clerk I could see your point. But we both known that if the bakery across the street refused to cater the wedding they would also feel the full force of government if the Gaytapo had their way.

If you are open to the public, then you must serve the public. Why is that so hard for Tealiban to understand?

(09-04-2015 12:37 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 04:33 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 04:14 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 03:46 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Yes, how dare those people being denied their rights at all stand up for themselves. Dramaqueens, right? I'm sure if you were denied the right to get married that you would just go elsewhere, right?

Absolutely. If you don't want to service me, I'll go elsewhere no matter what it's in regards to. It wouldn't be the first time and I highly doubt it'd be the last. You act like you've never been turned down or told no and I know that's a lie.

This is a government office, not a Dairy Queen. Regardless of your feelings about the infamous bakery issue, this is totally different.

So is going 10 miles the other direction to get a marriage license. Face it, most gays are intolerant and live their lives trying to find people like this that don't support them. I know it and you know it. They'd rather raise a stink (no pun intended) and be hateful than go get what they're supposedly looking for.

Oh really now. Did you actually just post this? The majority of gays are hateful and intolerant...? And you claim to not be a bigot how?

(09-03-2015 05:19 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Something to chew on... While I think she should comply or resign...

For the history of this nation wedding certificates have said "husband" and "Wife". Now we are going to change that for spouse and spouse... Why not just change the line with the clerks name to be "Clerks Office of X County"..

Then everyone wins.

Then what she should do is lobby to have this done, sign them until then, then ask for forgiveness. IF Jesus alledgely forgave her for divorce and adultery, as well as gluttony, she can be forgiven for doing her job.

(09-03-2015 04:42 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 04:14 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 03:46 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Yes, how dare those people being denied their rights at all stand up for themselves. Dramaqueens, right? I'm sure if you were denied the right to get married that you would just go elsewhere, right?

Absolutely. If you don't want to service me, I'll go elsewhere no matter what it's in regards to. It wouldn't be the first time and I highly doubt it'd be the last. You act like you've never been turned down or told no and I know that's a lie.

Seriously? This is a *government* office. There is no choice in who they can "service". We're not even in the grey area of a private business.

The precedent was set when Eric Holder told all state AGs that if they want to issue marriage licenses to same sex couples then they could do so if it was still banned in their state. Why wasn't he jailed? Or fined? Or even frowned upon? The constitution is the constitution and the law is the law, no? Why is it ok for one to break them both, but not the other?

(09-04-2015 07:51 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Just another Major reason to make sure No Leftwing Liberal gets elected for another 4 years of this Gay driven Agenda that smacks in the face of the majority of Americans that are Straight.

No, we need to make sure no Theocratic Conservative gets elected and advances their un-American bigoted Agenda.

(09-03-2015 04:50 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 03:08 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 03:04 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 03:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:56 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  For refusing a court order. She could either resign, do her job, or go to jail. In no way, shape, or form was she ever forced to go against her religious beliefs. If she didn't want to do the job of the office for which she was elected because she felt as though it would go against her religion, she should resign.

Do you understand the difference there? Because acting as if she's actually being jailed for her religious beliefs does a disservice to those who are actually persecuted for their religious beliefs.

And why is she refusing a court order?

And why didn't she simply resign and make a statement about why she resigned to the press?

Why should she have to give up her livelihood just so some degenerates can commit sin?

**** YOU *******. I AM NOT A DEGENERATE.

People like you, and Davis, are the scum of the earth. You and your type of no place in the United States. The USA is NOT a ******* Theocracy.

If you are so high and mighty about being a Christian, then ban divorce and a multitude of other things that Jesus actually preached about.

If not, STFU about calling AMERICANS and Humans degenerates.

OOOOOOOOOO, someone felt the guilty stick rap their face...

You did a fine job proving his point. I knew your intolerance and hatred would come out.

(09-04-2015 12:43 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 05:19 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Something to chew on... While I think she should comply or resign...

For the history of this nation wedding certificates have said "husband" and "Wife". Now we are going to change that for spouse and spouse... Why not just change the line with the clerks name to be "Clerks Office of X County"..

Then everyone wins.

Then what she should do is lobby to have this done, sign them until then, then ask for forgiveness. IF Jesus alledgely forgave her for divorce and adultery, as well as gluttony, she can be forgiven for doing her job.

Mrs. Davis is surely taking a very legalistic point of view when it comes to her faith. It was stated a few times that she would be OK with issuing the licenses so long as her name wasn't on the paper, correct? In the eyes of God, would she really be exonerated in His eyes if she washed her hands of it simply because her name is removed? What does that prove? What changes in the end? If she truly objects to gay marriage, then she would disassociate herself with any jobs that would condone, in any way, the right of gays to marry. That's what makes this such a farce.

(09-04-2015 12:42 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 12:37 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 04:33 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 04:14 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 03:46 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Yes, how dare those people being denied their rights at all stand up for themselves. Dramaqueens, right? I'm sure if you were denied the right to get married that you would just go elsewhere, right?

Absolutely. If you don't want to service me, I'll go elsewhere no matter what it's in regards to. It wouldn't be the first time and I highly doubt it'd be the last. You act like you've never been turned down or told no and I know that's a lie.

This is a government office, not a Dairy Queen. Regardless of your feelings about the infamous bakery issue, this is totally different.

So is going 10 miles the other direction to get a marriage license. Face it, most gays are intolerant and live their lives trying to find people like this that don't support them. I know it and you know it. They'd rather raise a stink (no pun intended) and be hateful than go get what they're supposedly looking for.

Oh really now. Did you actually just post this? The majority of gays are hateful and intolerant...? And you claim to not be a bigot how?

Sadly he is one of the millions of intolerant, bigoted so-called Christians that think that if anyone stands up to their hatred and bigotry, then that person is the intolerant one.

Sad, Deluded, Un-American and un-Christian they are.

(09-04-2015 12:48 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 04:50 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 03:08 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 03:04 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 03:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  And why is she refusing a court order?

And why didn't she simply resign and make a statement about why she resigned to the press?

Why should she have to give up her livelihood just so some degenerates can commit sin?

**** YOU *******. I AM NOT A DEGENERATE.

People like you, and Davis, are the scum of the earth. You and your type of no place in the United States. The USA is NOT a ******* Theocracy.

If you are so high and mighty about being a Christian, then ban divorce and a multitude of other things that Jesus actually preached about.

If not, STFU about calling AMERICANS and Humans degenerates.

OOOOOOOOOO, someone felt the guilty stick rap their face...

You did a fine job proving his point. I knew your intolerance and hatred would come out.

The only thing that I, like any REAL American, is intolerant of, is people that deny equality to other Americans, and hide behind their interpretation of a fairytale to belittle and discriminate against other Americans.

But you are too ignorant to see that. Pathetic, really.

(09-04-2015 12:17 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 11:59 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 11:24 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 06:16 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 03:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  And why is she refusing a court order?

Why doesn't matter...she violated a court order...that's all it takes to go to jail.

Yes...She violated her oath of office. She is also a white trash hypocrite. Her personal life reads like something from redneck joke book. She is the LAST person to get on a religious high horse. Fck her.

She's not on a religious high horse. She just doesn't want her name on their certificate because she thinks its wrong.

This argument is completely off the rails. I'm a Christian. There is no way in the world that God would hold an ounce of disdain for me if I opposed gay marriage but still had my name on a piece of paper that allowed a gay couple to be considered married by a government.

I'm not endorsing sinful behavior...I'm not condoning it...and I'm not participating in it.

It makes no sense whatsoever.

Sounds like you believe Pontius Pilate did nothing wrong. He didn't condemn Jesus to death. He just washed his hands of it.

With your name on the document, you are endorsing it.

(09-04-2015 11:29 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 10:48 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 10:32 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 10:26 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 04:11 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  The clerk isn't stomping her feet and pouting because someone told her no. She hasn't issued ANY licenses, and said she wouldn't until her name was removed from them. Heard about that yet?

Some would say that yes she is stomping her feet and pouting. Refusing to issue any marriage licenses because of you're religious beliefs seems pretty self-centered to me. Nobody is forcing her to go against her beliefs, that would be against her 1st amendment rights. But the alternative she has is to step down. Whether you support her or not, that's the law.

Incorrect on multiple counts.

1. it is NOT THE LAW. Laws are passed by congress, and signed by the president.

2. A law can not be passed that violates someones CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

Whenever #2 is in question, as it is here, the person has a RIGHT TO DUE PROCESS. A judge just cant come in and violate her due process rights.

The person in question is accountable to the people in an elected office. The remedy here is that the people can vote her out, or she can be impeached.

And just as a final point, if you believe this woman should be in jail, THEN YOU ALSO BELIEVE OBAMA SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOR NOT FOLLOWING THE LAW.

She had due process & still refused, hence the contempt of court charge that got her in jail.

The judge has to rule that her constitutional rights arent violated. He didnt do that.

So you agree Obama should be in jail?

What court orders has he violated?

(09-03-2015 04:55 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 03:29 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  One thing is for sure, the LGBT people are extremely intolerant... Why the hell are gays coming from miles away to get married in a little rural 96% white county with a population of 23K?

They must be coming in from Ohio, not to raise their girly voices and point their limp wrists at Kim Davis, but to visit the Carrington Rock or the Folk Art Center while they're in town to get hitched...

How freaking ironic. On top of that, they make sure there are blood thirsty media gays surrounding them while they do all this.

Dude, that's why people say gays have a chemical imbalance or mental illness, because a normal couple would have gone one town over if getting out to a wide open country county was that important. Quite typical of the attitude you get when you tell a gay no.

How are gays being intolerant? By standing up to be treated equally? Not sure you understand what you are talking about.


there are gay couples everywhere. They live in rowan County.

You are just a typical, ignorant bigot who is clueless about life and think you are better than everyone else.

news flash - you are not.

Two posts above this one, you proved just how tolerant you are towards those that hold an opinion different than yours. And speaking of ignorance, do you have any idea what a bigot is? Allow me to explain you to a tee.

Bigot - a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

As a confident and normal man, I have no doubt that I am better than you and any other hateful and intolerant bigot like yourself.

(09-04-2015 12:52 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 12:48 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 04:50 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 03:08 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 03:04 PM)miko33 Wrote:  And why didn't she simply resign and make a statement about why she resigned to the press?

Why should she have to give up her livelihood just so some degenerates can commit sin?

**** YOU *******. I AM NOT A DEGENERATE.

People like you, and Davis, are the scum of the earth. You and your type of no place in the United States. The USA is NOT a ******* Theocracy.

If you are so high and mighty about being a Christian, then ban divorce and a multitude of other things that Jesus actually preached about.

If not, STFU about calling AMERICANS and Humans degenerates.

OOOOOOOOOO, someone felt the guilty stick rap their face...

You did a fine job proving his point. I knew your intolerance and hatred would come out.

The only thing that I, like any REAL American, is intolerant of, is people that deny equality to other Americans, and hide behind their interpretation of a fairytale to belittle and discriminate against other Americans.

But you are too ignorant to see that. Pathetic, really.

And yet you are intolerant of someone who has a different set of religious beliefs than you. You consider them to believe in a fairytale and that they are ignorant and bigoted and un-American.

(09-03-2015 04:59 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Why is this even a debate? The bible doesn't support her action. The law doesn't support her action. Liberals shouldn't. Conservatives shouldn't.


She sucks in every which way.

And she's one of yours, LULZ.

(09-04-2015 12:37 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 04:33 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 04:14 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 03:46 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Yes, how dare those people being denied their rights at all stand up for themselves. Dramaqueens, right? I'm sure if you were denied the right to get married that you would just go elsewhere, right?

Absolutely. If you don't want to service me, I'll go elsewhere no matter what it's in regards to. It wouldn't be the first time and I highly doubt it'd be the last. You act like you've never been turned down or told no and I know that's a lie.

This is a government office, not a Dairy Queen. Regardless of your feelings about the infamous bakery issue, this is totally different.

So is going 10 miles the other direction to get a marriage license. Face it, most gays are intolerant and live their lives trying to find people like this that don't support them. I know it and you know it. They'd rather raise a stink (no pun intended) and be hateful than go get what they're supposedly looking for.

Raising a stink when a government office treats you unfairly is what any good American would do, because by doing so, you are protecting the rights of every American. But what you're doing, blaming the person holding the government accountable, is the opposite of this.

And lets not even start on the idiotic bigotry and lack of critical thinking you espouse in that last post, either. You're an embarrassment.

(09-03-2015 06:16 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Why doesn't matter...she violated a court order...that's all it takes to go to jail.

I don't remember you condemning Eric Holder for telling people they could break the law if they wanted to. He'd also taken an oath.

(09-04-2015 12:44 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 04:42 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 04:14 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 03:46 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Yes, how dare those people being denied their rights at all stand up for themselves. Dramaqueens, right? I'm sure if you were denied the right to get married that you would just go elsewhere, right?

Absolutely. If you don't want to service me, I'll go elsewhere no matter what it's in regards to. It wouldn't be the first time and I highly doubt it'd be the last. You act like you've never been turned down or told no and I know that's a lie.

Seriously? This is a *government* office. There is no choice in who they can "service". We're not even in the grey area of a private business.

The precedent was set when Eric Holder told all state AGs that if they want to issue marriage licenses to same sex couples then they could do so if it was still banned in their state. Why wasn't he jailed? Or fined? Or even frowned upon? The constitution is the constitution and the law is the law, no? Why is it ok for one to break them both, but not the other?

One reason may be because Eric Holder never said that. So how is that a precedent?

(09-03-2015 06:49 PM)dcCid Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 06:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  Of course the Supreme Court dramatically changed the law from when she took that oath.

And that matters because?????

Because she didn't swear under oath to issue special privilege marriage licenses.

(09-04-2015 12:40 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 04:35 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 04:21 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 04:12 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Is it not a requirement for her name to be on marriage licenses? And does that not go against her oath she took when she took this job>

She wanted it off due to her beliefs. I don't find that anymore shocking than wanting to totally redefine a traditional term that's been interpreted only one way for thousands of years. Can her job not be redefined too, or is her wheel just not squeaky enough for grease?

Two completely different issues, and conflating them together is in no way a defense of her actions. She agreed to follow the law in an oath she swore under god, she refuses to do that. She had every right to resign and make her point, instead she chose to go to jail. Her decision isn't admirable, it's objectively idiotic and hypocritical.

She promised, so help her god, to follow the laws and judicial rulings as part of her job. If she were truly worried about sin, she would look inward and resign.

Do you believe in God?

Furthermore, when she took those oaths, special privilege marriage was nonexistent in her area.

My religious beliefs could not be any less relevant to this issue, and the fact you even bring them up raises serious doubts in your ability to have adult conversations.

As for your second comment, she didn't take an oath to uphold the law as it was currently written, she took an oath to uphold the law. If the law changes and she has religious issues with upholding those changes, she needs to resign because refusing to do so means she lied to take the office. She is a liar, period, and she lied while placing her hand on a Bible and stating 'so help me god'.