(08-21-2015 10:16 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 08:12 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 08:50 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Obligatory GTS Tennessee request.

Do away with divisions and have permanent rivals (probably 5).

Negative Ghost Rider. You'd probably be able to see the fire from Greenville of the Knoxville campus burning to the ground if such a move were made.

The same could have been said for Maryland.

CREAM get's the money...

While UTK made some terrible financial deals during the AD Hamilton era, if the ACC can't keep UMD in the fold, where is it going to find the ends to even convince AD Hart to meet Swofford at some run down Waffle House off of I-40?

(08-21-2015 11:32 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  CREAM get's the money...

While UTK made some terrible financial deals during the AD Hamilton era, if the ACC can't keep UMD in the fold, where is it going to find the ends to even convince AD Hart to meet Swofford at some run down Waffle House off of I-40?

$$$$$$. The B1G has a huge and well documented demographic problem. Maryland's move was penny wise and pound foolish. More than half the television sets in the country are in the ACC footprint. Ask yourself this: would FSU have won more titles in the SEC ... or the ACC? Do you *really* want to line up and exclusively play against teams for which the ends justify the means and have abhorrent fanbases week after week? (Looking at you, UGAg and Bama in particular). Vanderbilt isn't really a rivalry. Neither is Kentucky. Louisville is the much better I-75 rival for you. Wake Forest isn't much further away than Vanderbilt and can be your creampuff rival if you want. You'd replace the puppies with "The Dodd Rivalry" ... and gain VT and Clemson as well. The days of Bama-TN and Bama-FL huge games have ended with SEC divisions and the Gator (as well as Vol for that matter) implosion from the National Spotlight. Most of the TN love affair with the SEC is over big games in the Fulmer zenith. In terms of practical regional rivals ... the ACC is no worse than a lateral move. It will offer TN big time TV money potential, a much better home for non-football sports, and a chance to breathe in football.

(08-21-2015 12:04 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  $$$$$$. The B1G has a huge and well documented demographic problem. Maryland's move was penny wise and pound foolish. More than half the television sets in the country are in the ACC footprint.

UMD felt they were the redheaded step-child of the ACC. If that's all they were going amount to in the B1G at least they are being paid handsomely to do so.

Quote: Ask yourself this: would FSU have won more titles in the SEC ... or the ACC? Do you *really* want to line up and exclusively play against teams for which the ends justify the means and have abhorrent fanbases week after week? (Looking at you, UGAg and Bama in particular).

No, everyone acknowledges that the SEC is a grind. And while you consider Bama and Jawja fans troglodytes, they and the other SEC schools are able to do something that no school in the ACC can come close to accomplishing...helping fill Neylend Stadium every year.

Quote: Vanderbilt isn't really a rivalry. Neither is Kentucky. Louisville is the much better I-75 rival for you. Wake Forest isn't much further away than Vanderbilt and can be your creampuff rival if you want.

So basically its a wash.

Quote:You'd replace the puppies with "The Dodd Rivalry" ... and gain VT and Clemson as well. The days of Bama-TN and Bama-FL huge games have ended with SEC divisions and the Gator (as well as Vol for that matter) implosion from the National Spotlight.

Gaining Clemson and VT is offset by the tepidness of Duke, UVa and UNC and others. Ole Miss and MSST games have more passion. Vol fan like bball, but love CFB a thousand times more.

Quote: Most of the TN love affair with the SEC is over big games in the Fulmer zenith. In terms of practical regional rivals ... the ACC is no worse than a lateral move.

I see it as at best a lateral move for UTK that help solve some issues within the ACC.

Quote:It will offer TN big time TV money potential, a much better home for non-football sports, and a chance to breathe in football.

Winning the conference more often is dubious since I'm not sure the Vols would get the same caliber of recruits. But is that chance to breathe in CFB in the best interest of VT, GT and FSU? I'm not sure how you figure the Vols would make more money in the ACC than the SEC nor do I see how it would by a better home for Olympic sports.

So when is the announcement of our full membership?

I want to schedule a day off so I can take it all in...

"More than half the television sets in the country are in the ACC footprint"


Guess we can expect an ACC Channel any day now.

Or maybe ESPN has no experience setting one of these money makers up and they need more time.

(08-21-2015 12:27 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  UMD felt they were the redheaded step-child of the ACC. If that's all they were going amount to in the B1G at least they are being paid handsomely to do so.

Their status was entirely their own doing *points at Ralph Friedgen being fired*

(08-21-2015 12:27 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  No, everyone acknowledges that the SEC is a grind. And while you consider Bama and Jawja fans troglodytes, they and the other SEC schools are able to do something that no school in the ACC can come close to accomplishing...helping fill Neylend Stadium every year.

I don't think any ACC school would bring as many as UGAg or Bama. But it aint like you're flooded on gameday by Kentucky or Ole Miss or Miss State or Vandy. I think you'd get reliably a sold out visitor section from Clemson, VT, FSU, GT, and UofL. I don't see this as a big of a downgrade as you do.

(08-21-2015 12:27 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Gaining Clemson and VT is offset by the tepidness of Duke, UVa and UNC and others. Ole Miss and MSST games have more passion. Vol fan like bball, but love CFB a thousand times more.

UNC and UVA have more historical relevance than the Mississippi schools do in the sport. Hell until last year Miss State fans considered the Jackie Sherrill JuCo Wheel of Fortune "good times".

(08-21-2015 12:27 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  I see it as at best a lateral move for UTK that help solve some issues within the ACC.

Presently? Yes. But if the ACC presses home that TV set advantage and turns on a money printing press? No.

(08-21-2015 12:27 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Winning the conference more often is dubious since I'm not sure the Vols would get the same caliber of recruits. But is that chance to breathe in CFB in the best interest of VT, GT and FSU? I'm not sure how you figure the Vols would make more money in the ACC than the SEC nor do I see how it would by a better home for Olympic sports.

The ACC has been putting in more draft picks than the SEC with regularity. Yes, that is in the interest of VT/GT/FSU/Clemson/UofL because it brings on board two more major CFB TV markets and another school that puts butts in seats and travels to their regional rivals. Regarding more money, see above. The SEC and ACC are a wash in baseball. In basketball and everything else aside from maybe gymnastics ... there is no comparison, the ACC is way better. The only real competition with the ACC in non-revenue sports is the Pac-12 .... and they inflate their numbers by cleaning up titles in the Director's Cup sports that very few schools field (water polo, etc).

Well having been to a game in Louisville with Tennessee years ago in the Old Stadium and while Wade and Alan Houston both from Louisville were back in town, it was an electric atmosphere to say the least. Heck even the Goodyear Blimp and ESPN were in town that night. The Vol fans came in by the Thousands and everyone was Pumped up. I remember the Vol fans drinking Beer and Bourbon like Fish. They couldn't believe You could Drink in the Stadium as You aren't allowed to in the SEC. We lost the game but gained respect that night from a national audience and a great Tennessee Team for most of that game. I could see Them as a Rival game down the road. We travel well to Knoxville also . Home of the 1983 "Dream Game" beating Kentucky in O.T. to reach the Final Four.

Maryland was always the "red-headed stepchild".

They were called Alaska for a reason.

Ok, Notre Dame stays in the ACC as the 17th team but remains independent:

New 8 team divisions:

Boston College
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Louisville
Virginia Tech
Tennessee
Miami

Virginia
Duke
Wake Forest
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Clemson
Georgia Tech
FSU

2. cart
1. horse

(08-21-2015 12:40 PM)nole Wrote:  "More than half the television sets in the country are in the ACC footprint"


Guess we can expect an ACC Channel any day now.

Or maybe ESPN has no experience setting one of these money makers up and they need more time.

The Atlantic Ocean was once just outside my back door, but I couldn't get to Europe without a ship. You may have 1/2 of the television sets in America but you are barely 4th out of the P5 in utilization of markets. You have to develop a compelling product before those sets tune in. Then you can get there. Notre Dame all in would help greatly. But, I doubt Texas ever comes without buddies if they go all in too.

You know this is just BS to pass the time for a couple of weeks, right?

(08-21-2015 12:40 PM)nole Wrote:  "More than half the television sets in the country are in the ACC footprint"

I suppose that depends on what you mean by "in the footprint" and how you count television sets. Based on census data, the states which have ACC members contain roughly 30% of the US population. Now, if you count the spaces between states, and include Ohio, New Jersey, Maryland, Connecticut, etc. you can get that in the 40% range. Maybe we just own more tv sets than other parts of the country.

(08-21-2015 01:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 12:40 PM)nole Wrote:  "More than half the television sets in the country are in the ACC footprint"


Guess we can expect an ACC Channel any day now.

Or maybe ESPN has no experience setting one of these money makers up and they need more time.

The Atlantic Ocean was once just outside my back door, but I couldn't get to Europe without a ship. You may have 1/2 of the television sets in America but you are barely 4th out of the P5 in utilization of markets. You have to develop a compelling product before those sets tune in. Then you can get there. Notre Dame all in would help greatly. But, I doubt Texas ever comes without buddies if they go all in too.

Not sure if you missed it, but I was quoting another poster and followed with doubting comments.


From those comments, perhaps too subtle, I clearly doubt the ACC is able to monetize

(08-21-2015 01:36 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 12:40 PM)nole Wrote:  "More than half the television sets in the country are in the ACC footprint"

I suppose that depends on what you mean by "in the footprint" and how you count television sets. Based on census data, the states which have ACC members contain roughly 30% of the US population. Now, if you count the spaces between states, and include Ohio, New Jersey, Maryland, Connecticut, etc. you can get that in the 40% range. Maybe we just own more tv sets than other parts of the country.

I didn't write that....I quoted from another poster.

Navy for football only.

9 conference games. 3 permanent and rotate 6 each year.

ND permanent = Navy, BC, Pitt
FSU = um, Clemson, gt
Clem = FSU, gt, vt
UM = FSU, Louisville, syracuse
Gt= FSU, Clemson, vt
Unc= Uva, duke, ncst.
Ncst = unc, wake,
Duke = unc, wake, UVA.
Wake = ncst, duke,
Louisville = um, Pitt, navy
Navy = nd, Louisville, Syracuse (annual game at meadowlands stadium)
UVA = unc, duke, vt.
VT = UVA, gt, Clemson
Pitt = nd, Louisville, bc
BC = nd, Pitt, Syracuse
Syracuse = navy, bc, um

(08-21-2015 02:09 PM)Bigtexnole Wrote:  Navy for football only.

9 conference games. 3 permanent and rotate 6 each year.

ND permanent = Navy, BC, Pitt
FSU = um, Clemson, gt
Clem = FSU, gt, vt
UM = FSU, Louisville, syracuse
Gt= FSU, Clemson, vt
Unc= Uva, duke, ncst.
Ncst = unc, wake,
Duke = unc, wake, UVA.
Wake = ncst, duke,
Louisville = um, Pitt, navy
Navy = nd, Louisville, Syracuse (annual game at meadowlands stadium)
UVA = unc, duke, vt.
VT = UVA, gt, Clemson
Pitt = nd, Louisville, bc
BC = nd, Pitt, Syracuse
Syracuse = navy, bc, um

If that is our permanent then we will never join... It would likely be FSU, Miami or Clemson that would be included.. We have NO interest in BC as a yearly a opponent

Navy is not joining a P5 conference. ND would never ask them to do so.

(08-21-2015 02:26 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Navy is not joining a P5 conference. ND would never ask them to do so.

You doesn't matter how many times you or I tell them Vandiver, they still keep making the assertions. I think that says a lot about the state of things as a whole beyond the world of sports.

(08-21-2015 12:48 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Well having been to a game in Louisville with Tennessee years ago in the Old Stadium and while Wade and Alan Houston both from Louisville were back in town, it was an electric atmosphere to say the least. Heck even the Goodyear Blimp and ESPN were in town that night. The Vol fans came in by the Thousands and everyone was Pumped up. I remember the Vol fans drinking Beer and Bourbon like Fish. They couldn't believe You could Drink in the Stadium as You aren't allowed to in the SEC. We lost the game but gained respect that night from a national audience and a great Tennessee Team for most of that game. I could see Them as a Rival game down the road. We travel well to Knoxville also . Home of the 1983 "Dream Game" beating Kentucky in O.T. to reach the Final Four.

Spot on. I was at that game as well, would love to see it happen more often.

As far as recruiting, the SEC & ACC have been 1 & 2 for awhile now so I don't think their recruiting would be any different.