http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...0-pound-te

This is an interesting read, in the first part of two Dodd goes into this particular player for Baylor and what he could mean for the future of the game and the size we see in the future.

It is an interesting read but for me, Dodd's part 2 was much more broad ranging and interesting.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...-the-field

He tackles multiple subjects, including Conference Realignment. He understands it is inevitable. As I say, it is just a matter of Pressure and Time.

Quote:Scott seemingly hasn't lost his appetite to expand into the Central Time Zone. A lot of those Pac-12 games still end after midnight in the East.

Have said this more times than I could even attempt to count. The PAC needs to get into the CTZ so badly that they showed all their cards in their attempt to get Texas and friends to come out West. That didn't work but the need for CTZ is still present, perhaps even more so now than just a couple years ago. More coverage on TV means more potential viewings, not just by fans and viewers but also by the CFP Committee.

Quote:The ultimate question is, what will be the next trigger? All the primary conference deals have a decade, or less, to run. Maybe it's technology. Who's to say Netflix isn't bidding against ESPN in the next round of realignment? If Notre Dame goes 11-1 and doesn't get in the playoff, does it head for a conference and that 13th game? The champion of each of four 16-team conferences would fit nicely into the current playoff structure.

I hadn't even thought of the Netflix angle but I could see it happening someday. The rhetoric in the media is adapting and becoming something very similar to what we have already been talking about on this forum. Told you guys that it was coming, a media blitz to prepare the way for the big changes. You may not have believed me then but you see it now.


A guy like Dodd hears a lot of things but he cant directly quote most of it, off the record kind of stuff. What he can do though is to take all of that and put together pieces like this one.

I rate Part 2 of this series as a must read. There is a whole lot more to this piece than just realignment though. I'm interested in seeing what parts stand out to all of you.

(08-08-2015 10:56 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...0-pound-te

This is an interesting read, in the first part of two Dodd goes into this particular player for Baylor and what he could mean for the future of the game and the size we see in the future.

It is an interesting read but for me, Dodd's part 2 was much more broad ranging and interesting.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...-the-field

He tackles multiple subjects, including Conference Realignment. He understands it is inevitable. As I say, it is just a matter of Pressure and Time.

Quote:Scott seemingly hasn't lost his appetite to expand into the Central Time Zone. A lot of those Pac-12 games still end after midnight in the East.

Have said this more times than I could even attempt to count. The PAC needs to get into the CTZ so badly that they showed all their cards in their attempt to get Texas and friends to come out West. That didn't work but the need for CTZ is still present, perhaps even more so now than just a couple years ago. More coverage on TV means more potential viewings, not just by fans and viewers but also by the CFP Committee.

Quote:The ultimate question is, what will be the next trigger? All the primary conference deals have a decade, or less, to run. Maybe it's technology. Who's to say Netflix isn't bidding against ESPN in the next round of realignment? If Notre Dame goes 11-1 and doesn't get in the playoff, does it head for a conference and that 13th game? The champion of each of four 16-team conferences would fit nicely into the current playoff structure.

I hadn't even thought of the Netflix angle but I could see it happening someday. The rhetoric in the media is adapting and becoming something very similar to what we have already been talking about on this forum. Told you guys that it was coming, a media blitz to prepare the way for the big changes. You may not have believed me then but you see it now.


A guy like Dodd hears a lot of things but he cant directly quote most of it, off the record kind of stuff. What he can do though is to take all of that and put together pieces like this one.

I rate Part 2 of this series as a must read. There is a whole lot more to this piece than just realignment though. I'm interested in seeing what parts stand out to all of you.

The first article is another argument for limited substitution. Those 400 pounders (and 300 pounders) can't play 60 minutes. The body can't take being hit by 5.3 40 four hundred pounders. And its not good for them when they get out of football.

There have been big guys before and there will be in the future. Linemen have gotten steadily bigger. I don't think this means that you won't be able to play football unless you weigh 300+ lbs.

That's an interesting revolutionary idea. What if football imposed a weight limit on all its players. If anybody meets the technical definition of obese, then they can't play.

(08-08-2015 11:21 AM)goofus Wrote:  That's an interesting revolutionary idea. What if football imposed a weight limit on all its players. If anybody meets the technical definition of obese, then they can't play.

NCAA sanction PeeWee football.

I have thought for a long time that Netflix, Google, Apple, Microsoft, Sony, Facebook all make sense as potential rights bidders.

Netflix I doubt has the cash to make a big play but they have the infrastructure. Would probably need to create a standalone service and offer bundles with regular Netflix.

Youtube has been playing around with live sports streaming (carry quite a few US Open Cup soccer games), with the Google war chest they can afford a loss leader investment and they knew the delivery business both ad supported and subscriber.

Apple has enough cash on hand to buy all the NFL rights at a 50% premium for 60+ years. They are great at selling content and devices to view that content and the payment infrastructure.

Sony knows content and messes some with delivery via PS3 and the Crackle service.

Microsoft has the war chest to come in as well, selling via Xbox they are fully equipped for, other channels they would need some work.

Facebook has the war chest to play, they have the capacity to deliver the content. What they are weak at would be charging for it.

(08-08-2015 11:21 AM)goofus Wrote:  That's an interesting revolutionary idea. What if football imposed a weight limit on all its players. If anybody meets the technical definition of obese, then they can't play.

This might be scoffed at, but youth football has weight limits. For good reason.

Concussions are a serious issue.

I could see Netflix getting into football condensed replays after the main broadcaster is done with the live broadcast, the way it streams shows that are 1 year old.

Who would want to see that? I would.

(08-08-2015 11:52 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  I have thought for a long time that Netflix, Google, Apple, Microsoft, Sony, Facebook all make sense as potential rights bidders.

Netflix I doubt has the cash to make a big play but they have the infrastructure. Would probably need to create a standalone service and offer bundles with regular Netflix.

Youtube has been playing around with live sports streaming (carry quite a few US Open Cup soccer games), with the Google war chest they can afford a loss leader investment and they knew the delivery business both ad supported and subscriber.

Apple has enough cash on hand to buy all the NFL rights at a 50% premium for 60+ years. They are great at selling content and devices to view that content and the payment infrastructure.

Sony knows content and messes some with delivery via PS3 and the Crackle service.

Microsoft has the war chest to come in as well, selling via Xbox they are fully equipped for, other channels they would need some work.

Facebook has the war chest to play, they have the capacity to deliver the content. What they are weak at would be charging for it.

Netflix doesn't have the money to make a serious bid. Unless it's for the Sun Belt or maybe even the FCS level.

They have the "infrastructure" only in the sense that they rely on Comcast, Charter, et al to bring the content to their customers.


Sure, you can say the same for ESPN and FS1 relying on cable, but it's a much higher quality, dependable signal in a traditional setting that has already achieved saturation in the market.

And ABC, FOX, NBC, etc. do have actual infrastructure to bypass cable altogether to get the content to the consumer (OTA signals). It wouldn't be super difficult to encrypt those signals and only provide the unlocking key to paying customers, rather than giving away entirely for free.

(08-08-2015 12:12 PM)goofus Wrote:  I could see Netflix getting into football condensed replays after the main broadcaster is done with the live broadcast, the way it streams shows that are 1 year old.

Who would want to see that? I would.

That's another great point.

1 hr condensed games are great for time strapped fans. No commercials and they even cut out the 'dead time' between plays.

(08-08-2015 12:14 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 12:12 PM)goofus Wrote:  I could see Netflix getting into football condensed replays after the main broadcaster is done with the live broadcast, the way it streams shows that are 1 year old.

Who would want to see that? I would.

That's another great point.

1 hr condensed games are great for time strapped fans. No commercials and they even cut out the 'dead time' between plays.

That would be ESPN and FOX reselling the tv rights that they bought from the conferences. That's not a bad idea considering the current state of ESPN

(08-08-2015 10:56 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...0-pound-te

This is an interesting read, in the first part of two Dodd goes into this particular player for Baylor and what he could mean for the future of the game and the size we see in the future.

It is an interesting read but for me, Dodd's part 2 was much more broad ranging and interesting.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...-the-field

He tackles multiple subjects, including Conference Realignment. He understands it is inevitable. As I say, it is just a matter of Pressure and Time.

Quote:Scott seemingly hasn't lost his appetite to expand into the Central Time Zone. A lot of those Pac-12 games still end after midnight in the East.

Have said this more times than I could even attempt to count. The PAC needs to get into the CTZ so badly that they showed all their cards in their attempt to get Texas and friends to come out West. That didn't work but the need for CTZ is still present, perhaps even more so now than just a couple years ago. More coverage on TV means more potential viewings, not just by fans and viewers but also by the CFP Committee.

Quote:The ultimate question is, what will be the next trigger? All the primary conference deals have a decade, or less, to run. Maybe it's technology. Who's to say Netflix isn't bidding against ESPN in the next round of realignment? If Notre Dame goes 11-1 and doesn't get in the playoff, does it head for a conference and that 13th game? The champion of each of four 16-team conferences would fit nicely into the current playoff structure.

I hadn't even thought of the Netflix angle but I could see it happening someday. The rhetoric in the media is adapting and becoming something very similar to what we have already been talking about on this forum. Told you guys that it was coming, a media blitz to prepare the way for the big changes. You may not have believed me then but you see it now.


A guy like Dodd hears a lot of things but he cant directly quote most of it, off the record kind of stuff. What he can do though is to take all of that and put together pieces like this one.

I rate Part 2 of this series as a must read. There is a whole lot more to this piece than just realignment though. I'm interested in seeing what parts stand out to all of you.

The PAC absolutely does not need to expand into the Central timezone.

We're not talking about a mutual fund here, where it's grow or die.


So what if the PAC media deal doesn't disperse exactly the same amount as the B1G's or SEC's media deals. It has the west coast locked up and it's always going to get the same payouts and access in the post season as whomever the power conferences are do. Good enough.

(08-08-2015 11:21 AM)goofus Wrote:  That's an interesting revolutionary idea. What if football imposed a weight limit on all its players. If anybody meets the technical definition of obese, then they can't play.

How about the ncaa actually limit college football to people who can qualify for college.

(08-08-2015 12:13 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 11:52 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  I have thought for a long time that Netflix, Google, Apple, Microsoft, Sony, Facebook all make sense as potential rights bidders.

Netflix I doubt has the cash to make a big play but they have the infrastructure. Would probably need to create a standalone service and offer bundles with regular Netflix.

Youtube has been playing around with live sports streaming (carry quite a few US Open Cup soccer games), with the Google war chest they can afford a loss leader investment and they knew the delivery business both ad supported and subscriber.

Apple has enough cash on hand to buy all the NFL rights at a 50% premium for 60+ years. They are great at selling content and devices to view that content and the payment infrastructure.

Sony knows content and messes some with delivery via PS3 and the Crackle service.

Microsoft has the war chest to come in as well, selling via Xbox they are fully equipped for, other channels they would need some work.

Facebook has the war chest to play, they have the capacity to deliver the content. What they are weak at would be charging for it.

Netflix doesn't have the money to make a serious bid. Unless it's for the Sun Belt or maybe even the FCS level.

They have the "infrastructure" only in the sense that they rely on Comcast, Charter, et al to bring the content to their customers.


Sure, you can say the same for ESPN and FS1 relying on cable, but it's a much higher quality, dependable signal in a traditional setting that has already achieved saturation in the market.

And ABC, FOX, NBC, etc. do have actual infrastructure to bypass cable altogether to get the content to the consumer (OTA signals). It wouldn't be super difficult to encrypt those signals and only provide the unlocking key to paying customers, rather than giving away entirely for free.

The problem with unlocking an OTA signal is getting the hardware needed into homes. We pushed back the rollout of digital TV because hardware adoption was slower than expected. Right now no one has such hardware in their home.

(08-08-2015 12:18 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 10:56 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...0-pound-te

This is an interesting read, in the first part of two Dodd goes into this particular player for Baylor and what he could mean for the future of the game and the size we see in the future.

It is an interesting read but for me, Dodd's part 2 was much more broad ranging and interesting.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...-the-field

He tackles multiple subjects, including Conference Realignment. He understands it is inevitable. As I say, it is just a matter of Pressure and Time.

Quote:Scott seemingly hasn't lost his appetite to expand into the Central Time Zone. A lot of those Pac-12 games still end after midnight in the East.

Have said this more times than I could even attempt to count. The PAC needs to get into the CTZ so badly that they showed all their cards in their attempt to get Texas and friends to come out West. That didn't work but the need for CTZ is still present, perhaps even more so now than just a couple years ago. More coverage on TV means more potential viewings, not just by fans and viewers but also by the CFP Committee.

Quote:The ultimate question is, what will be the next trigger? All the primary conference deals have a decade, or less, to run. Maybe it's technology. Who's to say Netflix isn't bidding against ESPN in the next round of realignment? If Notre Dame goes 11-1 and doesn't get in the playoff, does it head for a conference and that 13th game? The champion of each of four 16-team conferences would fit nicely into the current playoff structure.

I hadn't even thought of the Netflix angle but I could see it happening someday. The rhetoric in the media is adapting and becoming something very similar to what we have already been talking about on this forum. Told you guys that it was coming, a media blitz to prepare the way for the big changes. You may not have believed me then but you see it now.


A guy like Dodd hears a lot of things but he cant directly quote most of it, off the record kind of stuff. What he can do though is to take all of that and put together pieces like this one.

I rate Part 2 of this series as a must read. There is a whole lot more to this piece than just realignment though. I'm interested in seeing what parts stand out to all of you.

The PAC absolutely does not need to expand into the Central timezone.

We're not talking about a mutual fund here, where it's grow or die.


So what if the PAC media deal doesn't disperse exactly the same amount as the B1G's or SEC's media deals. It has the west coast locked up and it's always going to get the same payouts and access in the post season as whomever the power conferences are do. Good enough.

thats what I was thimking. its up to Fox and ESPN to find content for its early time slot and they already got that content. If the PAC adds some central time zone schools, Fox and ESPN will in theory pay more to the PAC, to show the same teams they were already showing, but the PAC will have more teams, so its only worth it if they make more per team. throw in extra travel and reduced rivalries, is it all worth it?

(08-08-2015 11:21 AM)goofus Wrote:  That's an interesting revolutionary idea. What if football imposed a weight limit on all its players. If anybody meets the technical definition of obese, then they can't play.

I'd just make them play 60 minutes so it would be a disadvantage to be so big. Now if you have a drive of 10 plays, those giant defensive linemen are sitting their with their hands on their hips out of breath. And they are only playing for 7-10 seconds at a time.

Netflix will not go into the sports business against ESPN. They will not do anything to jeopardize their contracts with Disney,MARVEL,and Lucasfilms.

(08-08-2015 12:14 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 12:12 PM)goofus Wrote:  I could see Netflix getting into football condensed replays after the main broadcaster is done with the live broadcast, the way it streams shows that are 1 year old.

Who would want to see that? I would.

That's another great point.

1 hr condensed games are great for time strapped fans. No commercials and they even cut out the 'dead time' between plays.

That's called BTN, SECN and ESPN Classic.

(08-08-2015 12:31 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 12:18 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 10:56 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...0-pound-te

This is an interesting read, in the first part of two Dodd goes into this particular player for Baylor and what he could mean for the future of the game and the size we see in the future.

It is an interesting read but for me, Dodd's part 2 was much more broad ranging and interesting.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...-the-field

He tackles multiple subjects, including Conference Realignment. He understands it is inevitable. As I say, it is just a matter of Pressure and Time.

Quote:Scott seemingly hasn't lost his appetite to expand into the Central Time Zone. A lot of those Pac-12 games still end after midnight in the East.

Have said this more times than I could even attempt to count. The PAC needs to get into the CTZ so badly that they showed all their cards in their attempt to get Texas and friends to come out West. That didn't work but the need for CTZ is still present, perhaps even more so now than just a couple years ago. More coverage on TV means more potential viewings, not just by fans and viewers but also by the CFP Committee.

Quote:The ultimate question is, what will be the next trigger? All the primary conference deals have a decade, or less, to run. Maybe it's technology. Who's to say Netflix isn't bidding against ESPN in the next round of realignment? If Notre Dame goes 11-1 and doesn't get in the playoff, does it head for a conference and that 13th game? The champion of each of four 16-team conferences would fit nicely into the current playoff structure.

I hadn't even thought of the Netflix angle but I could see it happening someday. The rhetoric in the media is adapting and becoming something very similar to what we have already been talking about on this forum. Told you guys that it was coming, a media blitz to prepare the way for the big changes. You may not have believed me then but you see it now.


A guy like Dodd hears a lot of things but he cant directly quote most of it, off the record kind of stuff. What he can do though is to take all of that and put together pieces like this one.

I rate Part 2 of this series as a must read. There is a whole lot more to this piece than just realignment though. I'm interested in seeing what parts stand out to all of you.

The PAC absolutely does not need to expand into the Central timezone.

We're not talking about a mutual fund here, where it's grow or die.


So what if the PAC media deal doesn't disperse exactly the same amount as the B1G's or SEC's media deals. It has the west coast locked up and it's always going to get the same payouts and access in the post season as whomever the power conferences are do. Good enough.

thats what I was thimking. its up to Fox and ESPN to find content for its early time slot and they already got that content. If the PAC adds some central time zone schools, Fox and ESPN will in theory pay more to the PAC, to show the same teams they were already showing, but the PAC will have more teams, so its only worth it if they make more per team. throw in extra travel and reduced rivalries, is it all worth it?

How do you figure in that there are reduced rivalries and extra travel? You are inserting those ideas as if they are fact and they are not.

First off, you have to understand that the two division system is dead when we get to 16. It will be four divisions. You put your California teams in the same division and that actually increases their rivalries because they are competing for the California Crown and representation in an expanded conference tournament. The northwestern schools will be grouped up together which improves all of their regional rivalries. With the two Arizona schools leading the way with Utah and Colorado that is a combination of similar cultural areas and could build up some quality rivalries there with two new schools to the PAC that currently don't have any rivalries. Then you have your four Central Time Zone expansion schools put together in their own division. The concept is all about rivalries.

Now, for travel? It's three games in division which isn't a travel issue. You then have two games against every other division. One is home and one is away so travel is heavily mitigated.

Cost factor? It's 90 new time slots that the PAC can now fill and it is largely considered the second most difficult football conference in the country. Getting that content during the initial kick offs would be big money, absolutely.

Conference Championships brought the PAC and Big Ten 20 million. Add in two semifinal games and that could be a boost of 30 million. That right there alone is almost two million a year to each school in that expanded 16 team PAC. If they enable the assimilation of the entire big 12 conference then they are absolutely going to get a major pay increase from the Networks because without it, The PAC doesn't do it.