This is also S&C Connors kind of guy. Rough and needs a swift kick in the a$$. Connors will push him farther and harder then he has ever been. Make a man out of him. Connors loves damaged goods that have a chance to be better.

So much trust in Ruff too. No wiggle room to screw up or you are off the team. No matter who you are.

I mind giving him another chance less than some of these idiots out there that do premeditated crimes. This guy was drinking and got punched. The results were horrible, but fights happen all the time usually not to this damaging extent thankfully. When you get big 225lb athletes involved certainly changes the dynamics of damage you can do. The other guy punched first doesn't make good but I can understand how you could go off having been punched in the face before and have 8 seconds of rage/fight. Only thing I really fault him on is if you take your girl to the club, you got to expect she's going to get hit on too and not freak out.

Does anybody know what happened with South Alabama?

He announced he was going there in May, then something fell apart and they passed on him. It sounded like it was their choice and not his in the newspapers.

Seems like a gradual change in philosophy here lately. Jacobs, Benkert and Nelson all dual threat guys. We are targeting a few dual threat guys in recruiting too. Id guess a little more of a shift to zone read/QB draw plays more often instead of 50 and 60 passes a game. Goes along with our recruitment of RBs too. We have a crazy amount of talent at RB, not something a prototypical Mike Leach style O needs. I'd be fine with a shift to Oregon type spread.

If it ain't broke don't fix it

(08-07-2015 12:24 PM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  Seems like a gradual change in philosophy here lately. Jacobs, Benkert and Nelson all dual threat guys. We are targeting a few dual threat guys in recruiting too. Id guess a little more of a shift to zone read/QB draw plays more often instead of 50 and 60 passes a game. Goes along with our recruitment of RBs too. We have a crazy amount of talent at RB, not something a prototypical Mike Leach style O needs. I'd be fine with a shift to Oregon type spread.

Auburn, Oregon style is what we are going to (almost back to Florida with Tebow) Just out run people, quick passes, etc.. One more month can't wait....... GDP

True that.

(08-07-2015 10:58 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(08-07-2015 10:48 AM)rosewater Wrote:  It is hard to say what will happen. Qb is a unique position that success has a lot to do with knowledge of a system and whether the system fits the quarterbacks style. I know we(Cincinnati) brought in a former 5 star starter at Notre Dame and he ended up at linebacker before he quit. He obviously did not fit our system. On the other hand, we have had Gunner(former 5 star Notre Dame transfer) come in and play very well.

Like I said before. Dominque Davis had been a crappy starter at Boston College and couldn't practice until fall camp that first year because of academics. He seemliness transitioned into the system with no problem and had one of the best years in college football that first year. Whoever starts in this system will put up production. That's all I know and really care about. If not this guy someone else and he appears like he can play TE, WR or something as athletic as he is too. Wouldn't worry to much about coming in late though.

Are you trying to say that you can transition anyone into the starting qb role regardless of skills and experience and they will excel. That is just naïve and foolish. Sure you can cherry pick and find some examples, but it is not the norm. Like I said earlier, our system worked out well for 5 star transfer Gunnar Kiel, but not for 5 star transfer Demetrious Jones.

Anybody talking about his passing statistics must not have watched Minnesota football since Jerry Kill has been there. Anyway he might not even be eligible to play until next year they are working on that now but hopefully he will be eligible this year. Kurt will likely be our starter no matter what but having a former big 10 starting quarterback as our backup sure wouldn't be bad.

This kid is a punk that luckily didn't get a murder charge.
He started a fight with an innocent guy thinking the guy was a bouncer who kissed his girlfriend?
Then waits til his friend beats him to the ground before kicking him in the head?

(08-08-2015 07:36 AM)knight-stick Wrote:  This kid is a punk that luckily didn't get a murder charge.
He started a fight with an innocent guy thinking the guy was a bouncer who kissed his girlfriend?
Then waits til his friend beats him to the ground before kicking him in the head?

That's obviously not what happened if you would read

(08-08-2015 07:36 AM)knight-stick Wrote:  This kid is a punk that luckily didn't get a murder charge.
He started a fight with an innocent guy thinking the guy was a bouncer who kissed his girlfriend?
Then waits til his friend beats him to the ground before kicking him in the head?

Now for the rest of the story. No fight was started just words. The guy sucker punched Nelson after that from behind when he did Nelson's friend retaliated knocking the other gentleman to the ground Nelson got up embarrassed drunk and angry and kicked the guy in the head. When all the facts came out in court Nelson charges were reduced and he only had to do 10 hours of community service.

(08-07-2015 01:21 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(08-07-2015 10:58 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(08-07-2015 10:48 AM)rosewater Wrote:  It is hard to say what will happen. Qb is a unique position that success has a lot to do with knowledge of a system and whether the system fits the quarterbacks style. I know we(Cincinnati) brought in a former 5 star starter at Notre Dame and he ended up at linebacker before he quit. He obviously did not fit our system. On the other hand, we have had Gunner(former 5 star Notre Dame transfer) come in and play very well.

Like I said before. Dominque Davis had been a crappy starter at Boston College and couldn't practice until fall camp that first year because of academics. He seemliness transitioned into the system with no problem and had one of the best years in college football that first year. Whoever starts in this system will put up production. That's all I know and really care about. If not this guy someone else and he appears like he can play TE, WR or something as athletic as he is too. Wouldn't worry to much about coming in late though.

Are you trying to say that you can transition anyone into the starting qb role regardless of skills and experience and they will excel. That is just naïve and foolish. Sure you can cherry pick and find some examples, but it is not the norm. Like I said earlier, our system worked out well for 5 star transfer Gunnar Kiel, but not for 5 star transfer Demetrious Jones.

Not what he said at all. The Leach Air Raid makes QBs look really good, that's a fact. We can go down the list if you'd like.

(08-08-2015 09:53 AM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  

(08-07-2015 01:21 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(08-07-2015 10:58 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(08-07-2015 10:48 AM)rosewater Wrote:  It is hard to say what will happen. Qb is a unique position that success has a lot to do with knowledge of a system and whether the system fits the quarterbacks style. I know we(Cincinnati) brought in a former 5 star starter at Notre Dame and he ended up at linebacker before he quit. He obviously did not fit our system. On the other hand, we have had Gunner(former 5 star Notre Dame transfer) come in and play very well.

Like I said before. Dominque Davis had been a crappy starter at Boston College and couldn't practice until fall camp that first year because of academics. He seemliness transitioned into the system with no problem and had one of the best years in college football that first year. Whoever starts in this system will put up production. That's all I know and really care about. If not this guy someone else and he appears like he can play TE, WR or something as athletic as he is too. Wouldn't worry to much about coming in late though.

Are you trying to say that you can transition anyone into the starting qb role regardless of skills and experience and they will excel. That is just naïve and foolish. Sure you can cherry pick and find some examples, but it is not the norm. Like I said earlier, our system worked out well for 5 star transfer Gunnar Kiel, but not for 5 star transfer Demetrious Jones.

Not what he said at all. The Leach Air Raid makes QBs look really good, that's a fact. We can go down the list if you'd like.

Whatever, how is it different from what he said and what you currently say. Lets go down the list, and see if these qbs hold up to objective analysis.

You can NEVER have too many QB's...

(08-07-2015 01:21 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(08-07-2015 10:58 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(08-07-2015 10:48 AM)rosewater Wrote:  It is hard to say what will happen. Qb is a unique position that success has a lot to do with knowledge of a system and whether the system fits the quarterbacks style. I know we(Cincinnati) brought in a former 5 star starter at Notre Dame and he ended up at linebacker before he quit. He obviously did not fit our system. On the other hand, we have had Gunner(former 5 star Notre Dame transfer) come in and play very well.

Like I said before. Dominque Davis had been a crappy starter at Boston College and couldn't practice until fall camp that first year because of academics. He seemliness transitioned into the system with no problem and had one of the best years in college football that first year. Whoever starts in this system will put up production. That's all I know and really care about. If not this guy someone else and he appears like he can play TE, WR or something as athletic as he is too. Wouldn't worry to much about coming in late though.

Are you trying to say that you can transition anyone into the starting qb role regardless of skills and experience and they will excel. That is just naïve and foolish. Sure you can cherry pick and find some examples, but it is not the norm. Like I said earlier, our system worked out well for 5 star transfer Gunnar Kiel, but not for 5 star transfer Demetrious Jones.

#1 I don't give a crap about high school rankings when they have been in college several years and actually on the field. Maybe Kiel was just that good and a legit big time prospect and that's why it worked for you but I think our system has proven over an over it can take marginal talents and make them some of the most productive QB's in the history of the NCAA. Carden was a nobody recruit for example and we just rolled him into the system and produced. I'd rather have it that way too and not have to have to constantly recruit the next Bortles to have a big time offense.

Texas Tech
Kingsbury: 6th round, 2 NFL passes
Symons: 7th round never played a down
Cumbie: undrafted never played a down
Hodges: undrafted never played a down
Harrell: undrafted 4 NFL passes
Potts: undrafted, never played a down

ECU
Davis undrafted, 7 NFL passes
Carden undrafted

So 13 NFL passes and 2 late draft picks early on in 15 years worth of QB's that all put up monster passing stats with pretty marginal actual talent.

Give me the system that puts up hundreds of yards a game on everyone, including the Texas and Oklahoma's of the world with very marginal talent. It's not even like Texas Tech had a lot of other NFL talent either around them. TT had like 10 total picks on offense in 10 years under Leach and we had about 7 here for perspective, despite putting up top 10 offenses in the Big 12. It's a system that maximizes talent and produces simple as that.

Draft picks, Year and round while Leach was there....

2000 5 round Sammy Morris FB Buffalo Bills
2003 6 round Kliff Kingsbury‡ QB New England Patriots
2004 4 round Carlos Francis WR Oakland Raiders
2004 7 round B. J. Symons QB Houston Texans
2005 4 round Dylan Gandy‡ G Indianapolis Colts
2005 5 round Daniel Loper OT Tennessee Titans
2006 7 round E. J. Whitley C Dallas Cowboys
2007 4 round Manny Ramirez G Detroit Lions
2007 6 round Joel Filani WR Tennessee Titans
2009 1 round Michael Crabtree WR San Francisco 49ers
2009 3 round Louis Vasquez G San Diego Chargers

and 2 since so not like he left tons of NFL talent either

They move the ball and shattered NCAA records 40+ ppg in the BIG 12 with pretty marginal high talent even compared to what AAC schools are producing.

ECU had had 2 draft picks under Ruff and some of the best offenses in the nation. I can only imagine what they could do with a Garrard or Chris Johnson in this system.

(08-07-2015 07:52 AM)PGPirate Wrote:  How does a kid from Minnesota, via Rutgers end up here? Coach connection somewhere?

South Alabamas administration said no

(08-08-2015 09:42 AM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 07:36 AM)knight-stick Wrote:  This kid is a punk that luckily didn't get a murder charge.
He started a fight with an innocent guy thinking the guy was a bouncer who kissed his girlfriend?
Then waits til his friend beats him to the ground before kicking him in the head?

Now for the rest of the story. No fight was started just words. The guy sucker punched Nelson after that from behind when he did Nelson's friend retaliated knocking the other gentleman to the ground Nelson got up embarrassed drunk and angry and kicked the guy in the head. When all the facts came out in court Nelson charges were reduced and he only had to do 10 hours of community service.

The dude had a 3% chance to live and suffered permanent brain damage. Sucker punch or not he shouldn't have stomped his head after he was on the ground. Suh was given a worse time after stomping someone with a helmet on

(08-08-2015 03:31 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 09:42 AM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 07:36 AM)knight-stick Wrote:  This kid is a punk that luckily didn't get a murder charge.
He started a fight with an innocent guy thinking the guy was a bouncer who kissed his girlfriend?
Then waits til his friend beats him to the ground before kicking him in the head?

Now for the rest of the story. No fight was started just words. The guy sucker punched Nelson after that from behind when he did Nelson's friend retaliated knocking the other gentleman to the ground Nelson got up embarrassed drunk and angry and kicked the guy in the head. When all the facts came out in court Nelson charges were reduced and he only had to do 10 hours of community service.

The dude had a 3% chance to live and suffered permanent brain damage. Sucker punch or not he shouldn't have stomped his head after he was on the ground. Suh was given a worse time after stomping someone with a helmet on

It was determined in court the fall to the concrete and his head hitting said concrete likely caused the brain damage not the kick. If you were sucker punched and the guy that just punched you was on the ground and you had a couple drinks in you i'm sure you would've just helped him up? Right?