(07-31-2015 03:18 PM)toohandsome Wrote:  I thought the AAC was supposed to be the conference to get the access bowl every year?

BYU is going to be really good this year and should beat Boise by double digits. That might be the only decent team boise plays outside of Air Force.
That is a donkey schedule

(08-05-2015 10:29 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 10:21 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 10:02 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 09:45 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 09:07 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  I think with all this arguing you guys are missing the truly egregious error here...







NIU is still stuck in the MAC =(

Not an error.

You can't honestly sit here and say with a straight face NIU's football program isn't too good for the MAC and deserving of a better home

Fo you really want to move into a spread out CUSA? Marshall struggled for how many years?

Have you SEEN the MAC?

What would 10 years of 6-6 to 8-4 records do to NIU support? Can you handle the expense of extra travel?

Boise St.'s Hypothetical AAC West 2014 Schedule

@UConn [actually played]
USF
Cincinnati
@Tulane
SMU
@Memphis
Houston
@Tulsa

Wins: Tulane, Tulsa, SMU, UConn, USF
Toss Ups: Memphis, Houston, Cincinnati

Boise St. goes at least 5-3, but still with a chance for 8-0. IMO, Boise St. likely loses at least one of the toss-ups to go 7-1, but very easily could go 6-2. The West Division winner would likely comes down to the head-to-head matchups and frankly who Boise St., Memphis, and Houston play in cross-division games.

Boise St. is absolutely a primary contender for the West Division crown, but by no means a shoe-in. IMO, Boise St. beats Houston and Memphis, but loses to Cincy. But that Memphis-Boise game would be HUGE!

WEST STANDINGS
Boise St. (7-1)
Memphis (7-1)
Houston (5-3)
Tulsa (2-6)
Tulane (2-6)
SMU (1-7)

(08-05-2015 11:04 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 10:29 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 10:21 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 10:02 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 09:45 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Not an error.

You can't honestly sit here and say with a straight face NIU's football program isn't too good for the MAC and deserving of a better home

Fo you really want to move into a spread out CUSA? Marshall struggled for how many years?

Have you SEEN the MAC?

What would 10 years of 6-6 to 8-4 records do to NIU support? Can you handle the expense of extra travel?

I wouldn't be so sure NIU wouldn't come in and do very well in football in the AAC... which teams WITH CONFIDENCE can you claim would beat NIU outright at this moment?

In a more likely AAC expansion scenario, the AAC adds at least 4 western teams. But, I like the new 6-team western division to simply supplement the 2015 status quo. Here's where I think it would have finished based on a 2014 hypothetical:

EAST
Cincinnati (7-1)
UCF (7-1)
ECU (5-3)
Temple (3-5)
USF (2-6)
UConn (1-7)

CENTRAL
Memphis (6-2)
Houston (5-3)
Navy (4-4)
Tulsa (2-6)
Tulane (2-6)
SMU (1-7)

WEST
Boise St. (7-1)
CSU (6-2)
AFA (5-3)
BYU (4-4)
Fresno St. (3-5)
SDSU (2-6)

Conference Championship Tournament would have been Memphis (CENTRAL) @ Cincinnati (EAST) and UCF (WILD) @ Boise St. (WEST) on December 6. IMO, the CCG in Las Vegas or New Orleans would have paired Cincinnati v. Boise St.

The AAC conference champ would have EASILY won the Fiesta Bowl bid over any other G5 champ.

(08-05-2015 10:41 AM)bignow Wrote:  

(07-31-2015 03:18 PM)toohandsome Wrote:  I thought the AAC was supposed to be the conference to get the access bowl every year?

BYU is going to be really good this year and should beat Boise by double digits. That might be the only decent team boise plays outside of Air Force.
That is a donkey schedule

When people are mad, they say dumb things..

Did I make you mad?

Udubb - P5 - Went to bowl game last year - great recruiting - have coach Pete
Virginia - P5 - They aren't good, but they aren't bad either. I'd stick them in the decent category.
Utah State - won 10 games last year
Colorado State - won 10 games last year
AFA - won 10 games last year

BYU is going to be good, but I don't think they "should beat Boise by double digits". I'm curious, why do you think that? What match ups make you think Boise will lose by double digits to byu?

(08-05-2015 12:29 PM)toohandsome Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 10:41 AM)bignow Wrote:  

(07-31-2015 03:18 PM)toohandsome Wrote:  I thought the AAC was supposed to be the conference to get the access bowl every year?

BYU is going to be really good this year and should beat Boise by double digits. That might be the only decent team boise plays outside of Air Force.
That is a donkey schedule

When people are mad, they say dumb things..

Did I make you mad?

Udubb - P5 - Went to bowl game last year - great recruiting - have coach Pete
Virginia - P5 - They aren't good, but they aren't bad either. I'd stick them in the decent category.
Utah State - won 10 games last year
Colorado State - won 10 games last year
AFA - won 10 games last year

BYU is going to be good, but I don't think they "should beat Boise by double digits". I'm curious, why do you think that? What match ups make you think Boise will lose by double digits to byu?

Lol great recruiting as if that is any indicator to how they'll be this year. Look at USF

(08-05-2015 12:32 PM)TforTempleU Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 12:29 PM)toohandsome Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 10:41 AM)bignow Wrote:  

(07-31-2015 03:18 PM)toohandsome Wrote:  I thought the AAC was supposed to be the conference to get the access bowl every year?

BYU is going to be really good this year and should beat Boise by double digits. That might be the only decent team boise plays outside of Air Force.
That is a donkey schedule

When people are mad, they say dumb things..

Did I make you mad?

Udubb - P5 - Went to bowl game last year - great recruiting - have coach Pete
Virginia - P5 - They aren't good, but they aren't bad either. I'd stick them in the decent category.
Utah State - won 10 games last year
Colorado State - won 10 games last year
AFA - won 10 games last year

BYU is going to be good, but I don't think they "should beat Boise by double digits". I'm curious, why do you think that? What match ups make you think Boise will lose by double digits to byu?

Lol great recruiting as if that is any indicator to how they'll be this year. Look at USF

Since 2010 they've had 5 top 25 recruiting classes. They've lacked a coach that can develop talent (sark), now they have one (Pete).

5 top 25 recruiting classes since 2010 is "great recruiting".

(08-05-2015 11:14 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 11:04 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 10:29 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 10:21 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 10:02 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  You can't honestly sit here and say with a straight face NIU's football program isn't too good for the MAC and deserving of a better home

Fo you really want to move into a spread out CUSA? Marshall struggled for how many years?

Have you SEEN the MAC?

What would 10 years of 6-6 to 8-4 records do to NIU support? Can you handle the expense of extra travel?

I wouldn't be so sure NIU wouldn't come in and do very well in football in the AAC... which teams WITH CONFIDENCE can you claim would beat NIU outright at this moment?

I was talking about NIU moving up to CUSA...

(08-05-2015 02:05 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 11:14 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 11:04 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 10:29 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 10:21 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Fo you really want to move into a spread out CUSA? Marshall struggled for how many years?

Have you SEEN the MAC?

What would 10 years of 6-6 to 8-4 records do to NIU support? Can you handle the expense of extra travel?

I wouldn't be so sure NIU wouldn't come in and do very well in football in the AAC... which teams WITH CONFIDENCE can you claim would beat NIU outright at this moment?

I was talking about NIU moving up to CUSA...

Oh god no! Why the hell would NIU move laterally (or even backwards) like that?!?!?!?!

(08-05-2015 02:15 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 02:05 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 11:14 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 11:04 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 10:29 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  Have you SEEN the MAC?

What would 10 years of 6-6 to 8-4 records do to NIU support? Can you handle the expense of extra travel?

I wouldn't be so sure NIU wouldn't come in and do very well in football in the AAC... which teams WITH CONFIDENCE can you claim would beat NIU outright at this moment?

I was talking about NIU moving up to CUSA...

Oh god no! Why the hell would NIU move laterally (or even backwards) like that?!?!?!?!

Because its the next step.

Teams that I am confident would beat NIU: Memphis, Cincy, Houston, UCF, ECU, Navy
50/50 or little better to beat NIU: Temple

(08-05-2015 02:26 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 02:15 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 02:05 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 11:14 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 11:04 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  What would 10 years of 6-6 to 8-4 records do to NIU support? Can you handle the expense of extra travel?

I wouldn't be so sure NIU wouldn't come in and do very well in football in the AAC... which teams WITH CONFIDENCE can you claim would beat NIU outright at this moment?

I was talking about NIU moving up to CUSA...

Oh god no! Why the hell would NIU move laterally (or even backwards) like that?!?!?!?!

Because its the next step.

Teams that I am confident would beat NIU: Memphis, Cincy, Houston, UCF, ECU, Navy
50/50 or little better to beat NIU: Temple

Take the homer glasses off compadre... there is a reason NIU is being mentioned as one of the top teams to make the access bowl along with Boise St. You're high if you think all the teams comfortably beat NIU

(08-05-2015 02:28 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 02:26 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 02:15 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 02:05 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 11:14 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  I wouldn't be so sure NIU wouldn't come in and do very well in football in the AAC... which teams WITH CONFIDENCE can you claim would beat NIU outright at this moment?

I was talking about NIU moving up to CUSA...

Oh god no! Why the hell would NIU move laterally (or even backwards) like that?!?!?!?!

Because its the next step.

Teams that I am confident would beat NIU: Memphis, Cincy, Houston, UCF, ECU, Navy
50/50 or little better to beat NIU: Temple

Take the homer glasses off compadre... there is a reason NIU is being mentioned as one of the top teams to make the access bowl along with Boise St. You're high if you think all the teams comfortably beat NIU

NIU loses 3 OL, RB, one of best WR, and top safety. You play in a stadium in front of just over 20, 000. Not even a unanimous pick to win your division in the MAC. No homer glasses here, just tougher teams with more depth and in some cases much larger crowds.

(08-05-2015 02:40 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 02:28 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 02:26 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 02:15 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 02:05 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  I was talking about NIU moving up to CUSA...

Oh god no! Why the hell would NIU move laterally (or even backwards) like that?!?!?!?!

Because its the next step.

Teams that I am confident would beat NIU: Memphis, Cincy, Houston, UCF, ECU, Navy
50/50 or little better to beat NIU: Temple

Take the homer glasses off compadre... there is a reason NIU is being mentioned as one of the top teams to make the access bowl along with Boise St. You're high if you think all the teams comfortably beat NIU

NIU loses 3 OL, RB, one of best WR, and top safety. You play in a stadium in front of just over 20, 000. Not even a unanimous pick to win your division in the MAC. No homer glasses here, just tougher teams with more depth and in some cases much larger crowds.

Blah blah blah, this is said about NIU almost every year.

Each OL taking over have played many snaps over the past 1-2 years. If you followed NIU you would know that they use 2-3 RB's plus the QB for running, so losing our starting RB from last year is not a big deal. We also lost our top WR but if you noticed, our actual #1 was injured all last year and NIU probably has their deepest, most talented WR corps I have ever seen. They will be better than last year, especially with our starting QB having a year under his belt and the defense returning 8 starters from a year ago.

(08-05-2015 02:44 PM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 02:40 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 02:28 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 02:26 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 02:15 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  Oh god no! Why the hell would NIU move laterally (or even backwards) like that?!?!?!?!

Because its the next step.

Teams that I am confident would beat NIU: Memphis, Cincy, Houston, UCF, ECU, Navy
50/50 or little better to beat NIU: Temple

Take the homer glasses off compadre... there is a reason NIU is being mentioned as one of the top teams to make the access bowl along with Boise St. You're high if you think all the teams comfortably beat NIU

NIU loses 3 OL, RB, one of best WR, and top safety. You play in a stadium in front of just over 20, 000. Not even a unanimous pick to win your division in the MAC. No homer glasses here, just tougher teams with more depth and in some cases much larger crowds.

Blah blah blah, this is said about NIU almost every year.

Each OL taking over have played many snaps over the past 1-2 years. If you followed NIU you would know that they use 2-3 RB's plus the QB for running, so losing our starting RB from last year is not a big deal. We also lost our top WR but if you noticed, our actual #1 was injured all last year and NIU probably has their deepest, most talented WR corps I have ever seen. They will be better than last year, especially with our starting QB having a year under his belt and the defense returning 8 starters from a year ago.

But why would a "P6" (lol that cracks me up when AAC fans forget they arent the big east anymore) care about a perennial G5 powerhouse

(08-05-2015 02:44 PM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 02:40 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 02:28 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 02:26 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 02:15 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  Oh god no! Why the hell would NIU move laterally (or even backwards) like that?!?!?!?!

Because its the next step.

Teams that I am confident would beat NIU: Memphis, Cincy, Houston, UCF, ECU, Navy
50/50 or little better to beat NIU: Temple

Take the homer glasses off compadre... there is a reason NIU is being mentioned as one of the top teams to make the access bowl along with Boise St. You're high if you think all the teams comfortably beat NIU

NIU loses 3 OL, RB, one of best WR, and top safety. You play in a stadium in front of just over 20, 000. Not even a unanimous pick to win your division in the MAC. No homer glasses here, just tougher teams with more depth and in some cases much larger crowds.

Blah blah blah, this is said about NIU almost every year.

Each OL taking over have played many snaps over the past 1-2 years. If you followed NIU you would know that they use 2-3 RB's plus the QB for running, so losing our starting RB from last year is not a big deal. We also lost our top WR but if you noticed, our actual #1 was injured all last year and NIU probably has their deepest, most talented WR corps I have ever seen. They will be better than last year, especially with our starting QB having a year under his belt and the defense returning 8 starters from a year ago.

Cool story bro. Go surprise people and win your division in the MAC if you're that talented.

(08-05-2015 03:48 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 02:44 PM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 02:40 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 02:28 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 02:26 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Because its the next step.

Teams that I am confident would beat NIU: Memphis, Cincy, Houston, UCF, ECU, Navy
50/50 or little better to beat NIU: Temple

Take the homer glasses off compadre... there is a reason NIU is being mentioned as one of the top teams to make the access bowl along with Boise St. You're high if you think all the teams comfortably beat NIU

NIU loses 3 OL, RB, one of best WR, and top safety. You play in a stadium in front of just over 20, 000. Not even a unanimous pick to win your division in the MAC. No homer glasses here, just tougher teams with more depth and in some cases much larger crowds.

Blah blah blah, this is said about NIU almost every year.

Each OL taking over have played many snaps over the past 1-2 years. If you followed NIU you would know that they use 2-3 RB's plus the QB for running, so losing our starting RB from last year is not a big deal. We also lost our top WR but if you noticed, our actual #1 was injured all last year and NIU probably has their deepest, most talented WR corps I have ever seen. They will be better than last year, especially with our starting QB having a year under his belt and the defense returning 8 starters from a year ago.

Cool story bro. Go surprise people and win your division in the MAC if you're that talented.

So basically do what NIU has done consistently the past few years... roger roger

(08-05-2015 03:54 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 03:48 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 02:44 PM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 02:40 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 02:28 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  Take the homer glasses off compadre... there is a reason NIU is being mentioned as one of the top teams to make the access bowl along with Boise St. You're high if you think all the teams comfortably beat NIU

NIU loses 3 OL, RB, one of best WR, and top safety. You play in a stadium in front of just over 20, 000. Not even a unanimous pick to win your division in the MAC. No homer glasses here, just tougher teams with more depth and in some cases much larger crowds.

Blah blah blah, this is said about NIU almost every year.

Each OL taking over have played many snaps over the past 1-2 years. If you followed NIU you would know that they use 2-3 RB's plus the QB for running, so losing our starting RB from last year is not a big deal. We also lost our top WR but if you noticed, our actual #1 was injured all last year and NIU probably has their deepest, most talented WR corps I have ever seen. They will be better than last year, especially with our starting QB having a year under his belt and the defense returning 8 starters from a year ago.

Cool story bro. Go surprise people and win your division in the MAC if you're that talented.

So basically do what NIU has done consistently the past few years... roger roger

Pretty much. MAC seems to fit NIU well.

(08-05-2015 10:18 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 03:54 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 03:48 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 02:44 PM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 02:40 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  NIU loses 3 OL, RB, one of best WR, and top safety. You play in a stadium in front of just over 20, 000. Not even a unanimous pick to win your division in the MAC. No homer glasses here, just tougher teams with more depth and in some cases much larger crowds.

Blah blah blah, this is said about NIU almost every year.

Each OL taking over have played many snaps over the past 1-2 years. If you followed NIU you would know that they use 2-3 RB's plus the QB for running, so losing our starting RB from last year is not a big deal. We also lost our top WR but if you noticed, our actual #1 was injured all last year and NIU probably has their deepest, most talented WR corps I have ever seen. They will be better than last year, especially with our starting QB having a year under his belt and the defense returning 8 starters from a year ago.

Cool story bro. Go surprise people and win your division in the MAC if you're that talented.

So basically do what NIU has done consistently the past few years... roger roger

Pretty much. MAC seems to fit NIU well.

You're missing the point... the MAC is no challenge for NIU anymore. A football team isn't supposed to just dominate their division year in and year out, it's supposed to fluctuate regularly. It doesn't in the MAC, it's always NIU running straight through it. I mean, a 91% win rate in conference? That's absurd, that means a program playing WELL above the expectations and norm for the conference. I get that you think because you're in a former autonomous conference that that means something elite, but it doesn't. Is the AAC an amazing league? Not by a long shot, hell i don't even think it's the best G5 conference (although it is close with MWC). That being said, is it better than the MAC? Hell yeah it is, and if you're to blind or entitled or stubborn to see what NIU football and their market (chicago being the 3rd largest media market) could do for the AAC, then I'll just acknowledge that as you admitting your flawed thought processes and chalk it up as a lost cause (basically like any Marshall fan... don't be like Marshall fans)

(08-05-2015 11:35 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 10:18 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 03:54 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 03:48 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 02:44 PM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  Blah blah blah, this is said about NIU almost every year.

Each OL taking over have played many snaps over the past 1-2 years. If you followed NIU you would know that they use 2-3 RB's plus the QB for running, so losing our starting RB from last year is not a big deal. We also lost our top WR but if you noticed, our actual #1 was injured all last year and NIU probably has their deepest, most talented WR corps I have ever seen. They will be better than last year, especially with our starting QB having a year under his belt and the defense returning 8 starters from a year ago.

Cool story bro. Go surprise people and win your division in the MAC if you're that talented.

So basically do what NIU has done consistently the past few years... roger roger

Pretty much. MAC seems to fit NIU well.

You're missing the point... the MAC is no challenge for NIU anymore. A football team isn't supposed to just dominate their division year in and year out, it's supposed to fluctuate regularly. It doesn't in the MAC, it's always NIU running straight through it. I mean, a 91% win rate in conference? That's absurd, that means a program playing WELL above the expectations and norm for the conference. I get that you think because you're in a former autonomous conference that that means something elite, but it doesn't. Is the AAC an amazing league? Not by a long shot, hell i don't even think it's the best G5 conference (although it is close with MWC). That being said, is it better than the MAC? Hell yeah it is, and if you're to blind or entitled or stubborn to see what NIU football and their market (chicago being the 3rd largest media market) could do for the AAC, then I'll just acknowledge that as you admitting your flawed thought processes and chalk it up as a lost cause (basically like any Marshall fan... don't be like Marshall fans)

Its not flawed thinking. If niu is too good for the mac, move up to cusa and see how you do there. Id say you conference winnging percentage would slide to the mid 70's rather quickly. Speaking of, it's your flawed thinking to assume niu will always have a 91% win rate in the mac. A few good years does not define a program, especially playing competition like niu does.