You're trying to make it sound like playing 2 or 3 of Cincy, UCF, Houston, ECU, Temple and 4-5 bottom 25 teams this past year is leagues ahead of playing Utah St, Colorado St, Air Force, Nevada, SDSU, and 3 non bottom 25 opponents to go with it.

Sorry, doesn't compute.

I would say it is more likely that they would have gotten an easy draw like a couple AAC teams did and played Tulane, USF, SMU, Tulsa, UConn, and then only 2 or 3 difficult games. Probably would've been easier to go undefeated with that schedule than the MWC schedule they played.

You're pulling the ole SEC parity argument when you're not the SEC. Will the AAC be better than last year in the future? I'm sure it will, but Boise I would say more than likely ends up 7-1 or 8-0 in last year's AAC depending on their draw.

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(08-04-2015 01:24 PM)Shrack Wrote:  You're trying to make it sound like playing 2 or 3 of Cincy, UCF, Houston, ECU, Temple and 4-5 bottom 25 teams this past year is leagues ahead of playing Utah St, Colorado St, Air Force, Nevada, SDSU, and 3 non bottom 25 opponents to go with it.

Sorry, doesn't compute.

I would say it is more likely that they would have gotten an easy draw like a couple AAC teams did and played Tulane, USF, SMU, Tulsa, UConn, and then only 2 or 3 difficult games. Probably would've been easier to go undefeated with that schedule than the MWC schedule they played.

You're pulling the ole SEC parity argument when you're not the SEC. Will the AAC be better than last year in the future? I'm sure it will, but Boise I would say more than likely ends up 7-1 or 8-0 in last year's AAC depending on their draw.

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so you r are going to act like last year was our regular year?...on the average year we will have maybe 1 bottom 30 teams

we are going to pretend as if tulsa isnt top 5 in the g5 in win percentage over the last 15 years,...as if uconn wasnt in a bcs a few years ago, or that usf has spent over 100 weeks in the ap top 25 since 2000's (They had a horrbile 5 year run) but are a recruiting monster....hell smu isnt even anywhere as remotely bad as they were last year

the silly part of your arguments:
1) you are using a 1 year example to justify long term planning..

2) no one compared us to the SEC but that it would be relative, that theyd still be one of the top teams but it wouldn't be the team the bearcat 1 was insinuation who would win it almost every year...

3) why did you pick all our weak teams and then 3 difficult ones for your AAC Schedule but then pick all the good MWC teams and 3 not so bad ones for the MWC schedule for your obviously biased argument....i can say play houston, Cincy, navy, ucf, ecu, temple and 2 others from the AAC..and say Wyoming, ulnv, hawaii, sanjose UNM and then only 2 or 3 difficult games for the MWC....see how bias and manipulative your argument is ..when you start picking and choosing biased data to share

(08-04-2015 02:16 AM)Shrack Wrote:  They still beat UConn by 17 and only even played two other teams who won less than 6 games last year in which they beat by 11 and 49 points.

Boise had 7 wins against FBS teams with winning records. UCF, Memphis, and Cincy combined had 8. Not really a chance Boise wouldn't have ended up in the top 3 in the AAC.


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And Temple beat UConn by 26, so I guess we'd beat Boise by 9

I picked those teams because that is the schedule Memphis played and that is the schedule Boise played...which is why your argument is terrible. Memphis played Cincy, Houston, Temple, and 5 bottom feeder teams. Boise played the good MWC teams and maybe 1 bottom feeder team at best last year. Compare their actual schedules and it isn't even close last year. Last year is what we were talking about.



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(08-04-2015 01:54 PM)TforTempleU Wrote:  

(08-04-2015 02:16 AM)Shrack Wrote:  They still beat UConn by 17 and only even played two other teams who won less than 6 games last year in which they beat by 11 and 49 points.

Boise had 7 wins against FBS teams with winning records. UCF, Memphis, and Cincy combined had 8. Not really a chance Boise wouldn't have ended up in the top 3 in the AAC.


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And Temple beat UConn by 26, so I guess we'd beat Boise by 9

The point difference in comparison to how other teams played them was not the point. The point was: they still won the game by 3 possessions.

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(08-04-2015 01:59 PM)Shrack Wrote:  I picked those teams because that is the schedule Memphis played and that is the schedule Boise played...which is why your argument is terrible. Memphis played Cincy, Houston, Temple, and 5 bottom feeder teams. Boise played the good MWC teams and maybe 1 bottom feeder team at best last year. Compare their actual schedules and it isn't even close last year. Last year is what we were talking about.



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but memphis had a good draw and missed ecu and ucf, most teams didn't have that draw....and we aren't talking replacing memphis with boise ..but adding boise ..so putting boise in the place of memphis makes no sense..if we are talking about utep going to mwc and the increase in competition you dont take boise out and then compare the schedule..and lets not even forget we added navyy

and back to the point i said earlier we re talking long term...last year wont be our normal year

(08-04-2015 02:07 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-04-2015 01:59 PM)Shrack Wrote:  I picked those teams because that is the schedule Memphis played and that is the schedule Boise played...which is why your argument is terrible. Memphis played Cincy, Houston, Temple, and 5 bottom feeder teams. Boise played the good MWC teams and maybe 1 bottom feeder team at best last year. Compare their actual schedules and it isn't even close last year. Last year is what we were talking about.



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but memphis had a good draw and missed ecu and ucf, most teams didn't have that draw....and we aren't talking replacing memphis with boise ..but adding boise ..so putting boise in the place of memphis makes no sense..if we are talking about utep going to mwc and the increase in competition you dont take boise out and then compare the schedule..and lets not even forget we added navyy

and back to the point i said earlier we re talking long term...last year wont be our normal year

The MWC is without a doubt more top heavy. Houston, ECU, UCF, and Navy would consistently be near if not at the top of the MWC. If Memphis and Temple can continue their success they will be in that company as well. USF, Tulsa, SMU, and UConn can all find their stride again and Tulane looks to be getting there.

Use the same argument then: toss Memphis into the MWC and they probably don't win it with the increase in competition. Yes, if you make a conference more difficult by adding the best teams from other conferences it will be more difficult for anyone to win it. Lol.

ECU had a similar draw: 5 bottom feeders, temple, UCF, Cincy.

UCF had the same thing: 5 bottom feeders, ECU, Temple, Houston.

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(08-04-2015 02:16 PM)Shrack Wrote:  Use the same argument then: toss Memphis into the MWC and they probably don't win it with the increase in competition. Yes, if you make a conference more difficult by adding the best teams from other conferences it will be more difficult for anyone to win it. Lol.

ECU had a similar draw: 5 bottom feeders, temple, UCF, Cincy.

UCF had the same thing: 5 bottom feeders, ECU, Temple, Houston.

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your first point makes no sense and honestly has nothing to do with the conversation..i say boise wouldnt roll through the AAC on the regular like hey do the MWC if they were added..Your counter is replacing one of our top teams (aka not being able to play them) ..if i say cincy would roll through the ACC and put them in FSUs schedule as justification, thats a weak argument because cincy doesnt play FSU in that analogy

heres memphis schedule next year
http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/235

here is ECU
http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/151

here is ucf
http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/2116

and here is boise
http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/68

youve already shown you are ridicloulsy biased but try you best to remove the bias..who plays the weakest schedule and who plays the weakest conference schedule

What...I'm biased? I don't even have a team to watch for 2 years and don't have a dog in the fight. Anyone who isn't blind could see that Boise had far and away the best resume last year and likely would have won the AAC with any of the schedules actually played. That was and is still the point. I'll look at next years schedules later when I get home.

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(08-04-2015 02:33 PM)Shrack Wrote:  What...I'm biased? I don't even have a team to watch for 2 years and don't have a dog in the fight. Anyone who isn't blind could see that Boise had far and away the best resume last year and likely would have won the AAC with any of the schedules actually played. That was and is still the point. I'll look at next years schedules later when I get home.

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Cincy, UCF, ECU, Memphis, or even Houston could've been at the top of the MCW last year with Boise's schedule though.

(08-04-2015 02:33 PM)Shrack Wrote:  What...I'm biased? I don't even have a team to watch for 2 years and don't have a dog in the fight. Anyone who isn't blind could see that Boise had far and away the best resume last year and likely would have won the AAC with any of the schedules actually played. That was and is still the point. I'll look at next years schedules later when I get home.

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first off not sure what that point has to do with anything, i noted Boise wasn't that good to start the year, and our top 3 could have beaten them if we had drawn them early..but i also noted that boise at the end of the year comfortably beats them at the level they were playing

the argument in which you responded to was that boise would win our league if they joined most years going forward... and i said theyd be one of the top teams but they wouldnt be the top team that basically wins it most years like they do in the MWC....point being their is a huge talent gap in the mwc not here in the aac

(08-04-2015 02:51 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-04-2015 02:33 PM)Shrack Wrote:  What...I'm biased? I don't even have a team to watch for 2 years and don't have a dog in the fight. Anyone who isn't blind could see that Boise had far and away the best resume last year and likely would have won the AAC with any of the schedules actually played. That was and is still the point. I'll look at next years schedules later when I get home.

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first off not sure what that point has to do with anything, i noted Boise wasn't that good to start the year, and our top 3 could have beaten them if we had drawn them early..but i also noted that boise at the end of the year comfortably beats them at the level they were playing

the argument in which you responded to was that boise would win our league if they joined most years going forward... and i said theyd be one of the top teams but they wouldnt be the top team that basically wins it most years like they do in the MWC....point being their is a huge talent gap in the mwc not here in the aac

These are the arguments i initially responded to a few pages back in this thread:

"I have not seen Boise play that well the last few years" - FUB <---Boise played the best in the G5 last year.

"depending on how the schedule played out, boise might not have even been top 3..boise barely and i mean barely beat some mediocre teams last year" - pesik

Again, Boise nearly beat as many good/decent teams than the top 3 AAC teams combined and that is all that matters. Boise would've likely been undefeated or one loss in the AAC, especially if they had the easier schedules most of the AAC top teams had last year. Houston and Cincy had harder draws than UCF, ECU, Memphis since both schools drew 1 additional difficult game.

The argument then somehow evolved from Boise probably wouldn't have won the AAC last year into some garbage about most years/future years that haven't happened yet.

The facts are:

Boise played a tougher schedule and went 12-2. MWC easily had more parity than the AAC top to bottom last year. I'm not going to sit here and argue about future years because I don't know. Last year it should be obvious that Boise would've likely won the AAC.

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(07-31-2015 03:18 PM)toohandsome Wrote:  I thought the AAC was supposed to be the conference to get the access bowl every year?

The AAC has a better conference overall I think most ppl believe that. However, I wish Boise all the luck in the world. I pull for them when they play. I hope they make the playoff. That would be good for college football and all of us outside the Cartel 5.

Maybe one day BSU, SDSU, and BYu (maybe another) will join the AAC and make it the 6th power conference.

One can dream right? That conference would be stout.

I think with all this arguing you guys are missing the truly egregious error here...







NIU is still stuck in the MAC =(

(08-05-2015 09:07 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  I think with all this arguing you guys are missing the truly egregious error here...







NIU is still stuck in the MAC =(

Not an error.

(08-05-2015 09:45 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 09:07 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  I think with all this arguing you guys are missing the truly egregious error here...







NIU is still stuck in the MAC =(

Not an error.

You can't honestly sit here and say with a straight face NIU's football program isn't too good for the MAC and deserving of a better home

(08-05-2015 10:02 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 09:45 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 09:07 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  I think with all this arguing you guys are missing the truly egregious error here...







NIU is still stuck in the MAC =(

Not an error.

You can't honestly sit here and say with a straight face NIU's football program isn't too good for the MAC and deserving of a better home

Fo you really want to move into a spread out CUSA? Marshall struggled for how many years?

(08-05-2015 10:21 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 10:02 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 09:45 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-05-2015 09:07 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  I think with all this arguing you guys are missing the truly egregious error here...







NIU is still stuck in the MAC =(

Not an error.

You can't honestly sit here and say with a straight face NIU's football program isn't too good for the MAC and deserving of a better home

Fo you really want to move into a spread out CUSA? Marshall struggled for how many years?

Have you SEEN the MAC?