http://reignoftroy.com/2015/07/30/pac-12...expansion/

“I do not see us expanding for the foreseeable future,” Scott said. “We are delighted with 12 schools. It’s worked exceedingly well for us.”

"Scott emphasized the sweet spot the conference has found with 12 teams and nine conference games."

uh oh, so i guess we should hear on tuesday who is joining the P16?

(07-30-2015 03:51 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  uh oh, so i guess we should hear on tuesday who is joining the P16?

lol. Yep.

Inside voice: "Disclaimer: I can only see five years into the future. As far as the 2020's, watch this space."

As we all know, the rules that are faithfully followed by every pro-expansion message board poster are:

(1) If a commissioner, school president, athletic director, or coach says that there will be no expansion for the foreseeable future, then he is lying and/or he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

(2) If a commissioner, school president, athletic director, or coach says that there will be expansion very soon, then he is the most informed and best connected guy around and he is totally telling the truth.

So just apply those rules, guys, and carry on as usual.

(07-30-2015 05:16 PM)Wedge Wrote:  As we all know, the rules that are faithfully followed by every pro-expansion message board poster are:

(1) If a commissioner, school president, athletic director, or coach says that there will be no expansion for the foreseeable future, then he is lying and/or he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

(2) If a commissioner, school president, athletic director, or coach says that there will be expansion very soon, then he is the most informed and best connected guy around and he is totally telling the truth.

So just apply those rules, guys, and carry on as usual.

Nick Saban faxes hiring papers to Alabama.

Nick Saban goes to press conference to represent the Dolphins. Says he isn't going anywhere.

Nick Saban goes to team meeting and tells players he took the Alabama job and tells them good bye.

lol

People always deny and sometimes they are being honest. You just don't know. What we do know is that Oklahoma isn't happy.

(07-30-2015 05:19 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  People always deny and sometimes they are being honest.

You have illustrated my (sarcastic) point right there.

Conspiracy theorists think that these people are only being honest 10% of the time when they deny, but really their denial turns out to be right 90% of the time. Which is, apparently, a huge disappointment to many.

In my personal opinion, the PAC should stick to the Pacific and Mountain time zones. Otherwise, what's the point of calling yourself the PAC conference?

I know, money rules the day in the end.


But I always like using college football as a stand-in for waging actual civil war against the south. I always root for the PAC and B1G against those n'er-do-good-ers.

The PAC may not be actively pursuing expansion. That doesn't mean they WON'T if the right schools were to become available, however...he's not LYING by saying he doesn't see it happening in the foreseeable future, because he's not completely on the inside of what BigXII schools may want. He's not LYING by saying he's happy at 12 schools. That's not to say that a group of schools from the BigXII wouldn't make him HAPPIER, however.

(07-30-2015 05:31 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  In my personal opinion, the PAC should stick to the Pacific and Mountain time zones. Otherwise, what's the point of calling yourself the PAC conference?

And the Big Ten should have exactly 10 schools and all of them should be in the midwest. Right?

(07-30-2015 05:36 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 05:31 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  In my personal opinion, the PAC should stick to the Pacific and Mountain time zones. Otherwise, what's the point of calling yourself the PAC conference?

And the Big Ten should have exactly 10 schools and all of them should be in the midwest. Right?

I know there are yahoos and ultraconservatives who would like that.

(07-30-2015 05:41 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 05:36 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 05:31 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  In my personal opinion, the PAC should stick to the Pacific and Mountain time zones. Otherwise, what's the point of calling yourself the PAC conference?

And the Big Ten should have exactly 10 schools and all of them should be in the midwest. Right?

I know there are yahoos and ultraconservatives who would like that.

Why would that be a conservative or liberal thing? Conservatives are upset that there's a Big Ten team in New Jersey???

(07-30-2015 05:46 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 05:41 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 05:36 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 05:31 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  In my personal opinion, the PAC should stick to the Pacific and Mountain time zones. Otherwise, what's the point of calling yourself the PAC conference?

And the Big Ten should have exactly 10 schools and all of them should be in the midwest. Right?

I know there are yahoos and ultraconservatives who would like that.

Why would that be a conservative or liberal thing? Conservatives are upset that there's a Big Ten team in New Jersey???

I think we usually call them "traditionalists" but that's another way of saying "stubborn curmudgeons with a stick in the nether regions."

(07-30-2015 05:16 PM)Wedge Wrote:  As we all know, the rules that are faithfully followed by every pro-expansion message board poster are:

(1) If a commissioner, school president, athletic director, or coach says that there will be no expansion for the foreseeable future, then he is lying and/or he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

(2) If a commissioner, school president, athletic director, or coach says that there will be expansion very soon, then he is the most informed and best connected guy around and he is totally telling the truth.

So just apply those rules, guys, and carry on as usual.

Those aren't the rules that apply. The rule that applies is that the PAC was so damn excited to try and get to 16 when that included Texas, TTU, Oklahoma and OSU that this statement about being so happy at 12 seems very disingenuous but hey...you keep on toting the party line as if it doesn't matter that so many other times that a conference commissioner stated that the conference is happy just before it actually expanded further.

In fact, I bet you have said just as much when other conference commissioners made similar statements.

The truth is that this is merely a public negotiation tactic because the PAC wants more money for whom they are going to get.

(07-30-2015 06:03 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 05:16 PM)Wedge Wrote:  As we all know, the rules that are faithfully followed by every pro-expansion message board poster are:

(1) If a commissioner, school president, athletic director, or coach says that there will be no expansion for the foreseeable future, then he is lying and/or he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

(2) If a commissioner, school president, athletic director, or coach says that there will be expansion very soon, then he is the most informed and best connected guy around and he is totally telling the truth.

So just apply those rules, guys, and carry on as usual.

Those aren't the rules that apply. The rule that applies is that the PAC was so damn excited to try and get to 16 when that included Texas

If you stop there and go no further, then you are correct.

(07-30-2015 05:16 PM)Wedge Wrote:  As we all know, the rules that are faithfully followed by every pro-expansion message board poster are:

(1) If a commissioner, school president, athletic director, or coach says that there will be no expansion for the foreseeable future, then he is lying and/or he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

(2) If a commissioner, school president, athletic director, or coach says that there will be expansion very soon, then he is the most informed and best connected guy around and he is totally telling the truth.

So just apply those rules, guys, and carry on as usual.

Yup. My thinking in today's environment the power conferences are always analyzing expansion scenarios for themselves to see what would maximize revenues, but are not inclined to move unless either A) the maximization becomes significant enough or B) an external threat is emerging.

(07-30-2015 06:12 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 06:03 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 05:16 PM)Wedge Wrote:  As we all know, the rules that are faithfully followed by every pro-expansion message board poster are:

(1) If a commissioner, school president, athletic director, or coach says that there will be no expansion for the foreseeable future, then he is lying and/or he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

(2) If a commissioner, school president, athletic director, or coach says that there will be expansion very soon, then he is the most informed and best connected guy around and he is totally telling the truth.

So just apply those rules, guys, and carry on as usual.

Those aren't the rules that apply. The rule that applies is that the PAC was so damn excited to try and get to 16 when that included Texas

If you stop there and go no further, then you are correct.

Right, of course, the PAC was only going to invite Texas?

(07-30-2015 06:24 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 06:12 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 06:03 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 05:16 PM)Wedge Wrote:  As we all know, the rules that are faithfully followed by every pro-expansion message board poster are:

(1) If a commissioner, school president, athletic director, or coach says that there will be no expansion for the foreseeable future, then he is lying and/or he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

(2) If a commissioner, school president, athletic director, or coach says that there will be expansion very soon, then he is the most informed and best connected guy around and he is totally telling the truth.

So just apply those rules, guys, and carry on as usual.

Those aren't the rules that apply. The rule that applies is that the PAC was so damn excited to try and get to 16 when that included Texas

If you stop there and go no further, then you are correct.

Right, of course, the PAC was only going to invite Texas?

The Pac only invited central time zone schools on the condition that Texas was one of the group.

(07-30-2015 06:32 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 06:24 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 06:12 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 06:03 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 05:16 PM)Wedge Wrote:  As we all know, the rules that are faithfully followed by every pro-expansion message board poster are:

(1) If a commissioner, school president, athletic director, or coach says that there will be no expansion for the foreseeable future, then he is lying and/or he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

(2) If a commissioner, school president, athletic director, or coach says that there will be expansion very soon, then he is the most informed and best connected guy around and he is totally telling the truth.

So just apply those rules, guys, and carry on as usual.

Those aren't the rules that apply. The rule that applies is that the PAC was so damn excited to try and get to 16 when that included Texas

If you stop there and go no further, then you are correct.

Right, of course, the PAC was only going to invite Texas?

The Pac only invited central time zone schools on the condition that Texas was one of the group.

Which meant going past 12 teams. You are dodging.

(07-30-2015 06:33 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 06:32 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 06:24 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 06:12 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 06:03 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Those aren't the rules that apply. The rule that applies is that the PAC was so damn excited to try and get to 16 when that included Texas

If you stop there and go no further, then you are correct.

Right, of course, the PAC was only going to invite Texas?

The Pac only invited central time zone schools on the condition that Texas was one of the group.

Which meant going past 12 teams. You are dodging.

They only have enough votes to go past 12 teams if the Longhorns are included, as Scott found out when OU and Ok St wanted to join. So when he says, “I do not see us expanding for the foreseeable future,” he is saying that the foreseeable future does not include UT joining the Pac-12.