(07-28-2015 02:27 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 02:01 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 01:58 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 09:15 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  "the country has 'a history of putting affordable housing in poor communities,'"

NO idiot. "Affordable" housing is built in communities, then said housing is destroyed by the tenants, thus contributing to the demise of the entire community. Like a plague of locusts that destroys everything they touch. People forget that most of these inner city SHITT communities at one time used to be flourishing, in-demand communities where people actually wanted to live. Then the locusts invaded and destroyed.

The plague appears to be on the verge of spreading if nonsense like this is even entertained.

You can't even pay good money to get away from the dregs of society now? I've worked my ass off to live where the hell I want to live. AWAY from the locusts. Sounds like I will be forced to "co-exist" with them whether I like it or not. Obama's promise to increase crime in the suburbs so we can all enjoy it.

You mean "blacks". Why don't you just come out and say what you really mean?

You're a disgusting racist for implying that. You should be put on a terrorist watch list for this statement.

I'm so ******* triggered right now by RobertN. OFFENDED AND TRIGGERED. I'm about to write a freaking blog on Tumblr using RobertN's racism as my primary source of shitlordness.

Sorry for angering you. I guess I should have posted "people of less means than you" because I think that is actually more accurate.

So you view black people as a lesser people than whites? Good job racist.

I moved from the ghetto to escape the bullsh*t. Bringing S8 to the burbs is a completely stupid idea. Move to the inner-city and see what's going on before supporting such a stupid idea.

(07-29-2015 02:42 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I moved from the ghetto to escape the bullsh*t. Bringing S8 to the burbs is a completely stupid idea. Move to the inner-city and see what's going on before supporting such a stupid idea.

They put some S8 housing in DeKalb. It's given NIU the reputation as being a bit dicey. Which is an exaggeration, but still, there have been a few problems already.

(07-29-2015 11:54 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  As long as the first new subsidized housing goes in wealthy, Democrat-voting neighborhoods. We wouldn't want our downtrodden minority section 8ers living among a bunch of hateful bigots.

#Chappaquaorthecapesoundslikeagoodplacetostart.lolololol

(07-29-2015 12:43 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 02:27 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 02:01 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 01:58 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 09:15 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  "the country has 'a history of putting affordable housing in poor communities,'"

NO idiot. "Affordable" housing is built in communities, then said housing is destroyed by the tenants, thus contributing to the demise of the entire community. Like a plague of locusts that destroys everything they touch. People forget that most of these inner city SHITT communities at one time used to be flourishing, in-demand communities where people actually wanted to live. Then the locusts invaded and destroyed.

The plague appears to be on the verge of spreading if nonsense like this is even entertained.

You can't even pay good money to get away from the dregs of society now? I've worked my ass off to live where the hell I want to live. AWAY from the locusts. Sounds like I will be forced to "co-exist" with them whether I like it or not. Obama's promise to increase crime in the suburbs so we can all enjoy it.

You mean "blacks". Why don't you just come out and say what you really mean?

You're a disgusting racist for implying that. You should be put on a terrorist watch list for this statement.

I'm so ******* triggered right now by RobertN. OFFENDED AND TRIGGERED. I'm about to write a freaking blog on Tumblr using RobertN's racism as my primary source of shitlordness.

Sorry for angering you. I guess I should have posted "people of less means than you" because I think that is actually more accurate.

So you view black people as a lesser people than whites? Good job racist.

Not sure where you got that from but, no I don't.

(07-29-2015 10:05 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 02:29 PM)EnterSandman Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 09:43 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  I won't argue against that, but you're sort of sidestepping the question with that response. Why do children born on the other side of the tracks have such different outcomes than those born on the right side of the tracks?

Hell...That's easy.

If Mom and Dad set rules with morals and values, and tell you who you can and can't hang with and you cross the rules, you get your ass handed to you. If you do it enough you finally get tired of getting your ass wiped and you quit.

But on the other hand if your parent or guardian allows you to do what ever you what when ever you want you become the environment you run with. You hang with thugs you become a thug.

What you are implying is that poor people have no rules or morals. That's ridiculous.

That is EXACTLY what he is implying-and he isn't the only one on here.

(07-29-2015 02:42 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I moved from the ghetto to escape the bullsh*t. Bringing S8 to the burbs is a completely stupid idea. Move to the inner-city and see what's going on before supporting such a stupid idea.

So we just go back to stacking them in projects?

(07-30-2015 03:32 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 12:43 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 02:27 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 02:01 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 01:58 PM)RobertN Wrote:  You mean "blacks". Why don't you just come out and say what you really mean?

You're a disgusting racist for implying that. You should be put on a terrorist watch list for this statement.

I'm so ******* triggered right now by RobertN. OFFENDED AND TRIGGERED. I'm about to write a freaking blog on Tumblr using RobertN's racism as my primary source of shitlordness.

Sorry for angering you. I guess I should have posted "people of less means than you" because I think that is actually more accurate.

So you view black people as a lesser people than whites? Good job racist.

Not sure where you got that from but, no I don't.

Gee I don't know where I got that from Trollboy.

(07-30-2015 03:46 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 02:42 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I moved from the ghetto to escape the bullsh*t. Bringing S8 to the burbs is a completely stupid idea. Move to the inner-city and see what's going on before supporting such a stupid idea.

So we just go back to stacking them in projects?

Yes....

While I'm at it, defund S8.... Sure my cousin w/ 6 children would become homeless, but not my problem.

The old adage of "Good things come to those who wait" is that too many people wait for the good things instead of trying to work for the good things.

If you're living in S8 housing and working only part time flipping burgers, that's not CP's fault or my fault. I made my opportunities happen..

(07-28-2015 05:47 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 03:06 PM)EnterSandman Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 02:34 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 02:29 PM)EnterSandman Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 09:43 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  I won't argue against that, but you're sort of sidestepping the question with that response. Why do children born on the other side of the tracks have such different outcomes than those born on the right side of the tracks?

Hell...That's easy.

If Mom and Dad set rules with morals and values, and tell you who you can and can't hang with and you cross the rules, you get your ass handed to you. If you do it enough you finally get tired of getting your ass wiped and you quit.

But on the other hand if your parent or guardian allows you to do what ever you what when ever you want you become the environment you run with. You hang with thugs you become a thug.

Yeah. I am sure that's it.

That's exactly it, period.

No, it isn't. It's nowhere near that simple, and if you as an adult truly believe in such simplistic nonsense, I feel bad for you. Might as well believe all poor people don't work hard or that the inverse is also true.

but it is poverty that heavily contributes to the problem....much more so than being of avg means or wealth

his statement is part of the value of true

you are right, it's not that simple

there is no answer that always yields true

humans have choice whether it's acknowledged by self

A former teacher of mine explaining the situation of S8 and other topics involving Clairton,

"Joe, I think it started either a Fti/Sat night , Oct. 2007. When that older Italian lady got murdered in 3 rd street right up from joes store of Waddell.
Kids took a very hardened stance in school..... " oh she was old anyways!... "
I honestly don't know much about the drug trade. I now it's there by old Skapiks.....I don't think it's hands just $....I could be dead wrong on that.
I'm just very perceptive on the attitudinal and cognitive perspectives of the citizenry and the influx of section 8 since that time. Allegedly owned by ttop officials. Clairton's % of that I'm told is v easy beyond what is allotted!!??

I think a to politician is in with Lori... Big real estate tycoon in sect 8' vile. Her picture and billboard is right of f 837 & bottom St Clair. The kids in that town have not been from that town or are extremely transient. Been almost 9? Years.. 2006/7? There is no history to many folks living their. Many b transplanted from the "City". Big projects ( No.vu heights for one,) have gone under renovations bringing the need for housing up. That keeps the schools #'s relatively high.... No one cares about anything except that " a" football team. That's why I got out of teaching there. So much phony ism. Crony capitalism am, etc. It's horrible.... Administrator are ( were) virtually invisible. I left 2012, Oct. Several left Aug 3..... The precious Superintend. ( 16 months?) Didn't even stay. School board is known to turn on anyone at any given time. Teacher assaults, new administrators, etc. If they don't do that they cannibalize reach other! I am not afraid to speak my mind on this... I am the one with the idiotic memory...... & they all know it! Boooooom!!"

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So yes RobertN, keep them in the projects!

(07-28-2015 10:05 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  No one is entitled to live in a neighborhood they otherwise can't afford. It is supposed to be earned not given.

^^^THIS^^^

x1,000

(07-30-2015 07:06 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  A former teacher of mine explaining the situation of S8 and other topics involving Clairton,

"Joe, I think it started either a Fti/Sat night , Oct. 2007. When that older Italian lady got murdered in 3 rd street right up from joes store of Waddell.
Kids took a very hardened stance in school..... " oh she was old anyways!... "
I honestly don't know much about the drug trade. I now it's there by old Skapiks.....I don't think it's hands just $....I could be dead wrong on that.
I'm just very perceptive on the attitudinal and cognitive perspectives of the citizenry and the influx of section 8 since that time. Allegedly owned by ttop officials. Clairton's % of that I'm told is v easy beyond what is allotted!!??

I think a to politician is in with Lori... Big real estate tycoon in sect 8' vile. Her picture and billboard is right of f 837 & bottom St Clair. The kids in that town have not been from that town or are extremely transient. Been almost 9? Years.. 2006/7? There is no history to many folks living their. Many b transplanted from the "City". Big projects ( No.vu heights for one,) have gone under renovations bringing the need for housing up. That keeps the schools #'s relatively high.... No one cares about anything except that " a" football team. That's why I got out of teaching there. So much phony ism. Crony capitalism am, etc. It's horrible.... Administrator are ( were) virtually invisible. I left 2012, Oct. Several left Aug 3..... The precious Superintend. ( 16 months?) Didn't even stay. School board is known to turn on anyone at any given time. Teacher assaults, new administrators, etc. If they don't do that they cannibalize reach other! I am not afraid to speak my mind on this... I am the one with the idiotic memory...... & they all know it! Boooooom!!"

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So yes RobertN, keep them in the projects!

...sounds like tejas

good for you to leave that crapola....

(07-30-2015 03:46 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 02:42 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I moved from the ghetto to escape the bullsh*t. Bringing S8 to the burbs is a completely stupid idea. Move to the inner-city and see what's going on before supporting such a stupid idea.

So we just go back to stacking them in projects?

Projects prove that concentrating poverty is a bad idea.

(07-30-2015 08:04 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 03:46 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 02:42 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I moved from the ghetto to escape the bullsh*t. Bringing S8 to the burbs is a completely stupid idea. Move to the inner-city and see what's going on before supporting such a stupid idea.

So we just go back to stacking them in projects?

Projects prove that concentrating poverty is a bad idea.

and those with means will just move again....

the fix shouldn't involve integrated housing requirements

the fix should involve job creation....first and foremost.....

I think I still live in america....or is it 'murica? it's too muddied at this point.....

The fix is education. Put the best teachers in the poorest schools

(07-30-2015 11:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The fix is education. Put the best teachers in the poorest schools

Teachers are rated so that they are only as good as their students. Put the teacher that passes 98% from the best school in the worst school and the teacher that passes 40% from the worst school in the best school and the the best teacher will become the worse teacher and vice versa. There has to be a better way. A teacher from a good school that has never dealt with major discipline problem, absent and careless parents, and an administration that refuses to deal with it will have no clue what to do. It would be like putting Pat Robertson in charge of the Crypts.

(07-30-2015 11:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The fix is education. Put the best teachers in the poorest schools

Hah! What? Are you serious? Re-assign the best teachers to the worst schools? Doesn't that then imply that the worst teachers will now be at the best schools thereby dragging the entire district downward? The best teachers say "fyck that" and leave, and the worst teachers teach poorly to the very population that values education? W WT WTF? Talk about moving to the lowest common denominator! This benefits no one.

My wife is a highly educated, highly valued, and outstanding teacher who started at a low income school. There is no better way to make the best teachers quit teaching all together than to force them back into the holding pens that are the poorest schools.

Now, maybe your idea has merit if you compensate and reward teachers appropriately to teach in these schools, but then the district would be admitting to the problem, especially in districts where school attendance is segregated. We all know which schools are the worst, and the poorest. The data shows it clearly.

The fix to education is to strengthen the value of education within poor communities not to force teachers into bad situations in an uncaring and potentially dangerous environment.

How you fix education makes for some pretty uncomfortable conversation in the poorest school communities:

Show me a poor school and I will show you a lack of commitment to
Family
Discipline
Education
Employment
Self-reliance

Show me a strong school and I will show you a commitment to
Family
Discipline
Education
Employment
Self-reliance

As long as the poorest schools also have the biggest discipline problems and lack of commitment to education from kids and parent (notice the lack of plural in parent) then the problem with the poorest schools remains the poor community's problem to need to fix.

(07-30-2015 11:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The fix is education. Put the best teachers in the poorest schools

The fix is indeed education; however, your solution is stupid.