(07-28-2015 11:31 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 11:21 AM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  To be fair, the Adrian Peterson they probably assume you're talking about definitely did not go to Georgia Southern.

My own silliness only proves my point, haha. I spend time around fans of these leagues and even I assumed it was the same guy. How much does anyone think the average popcorn eater knows about Sun Belt and FCS teams?

Not much I bet, but Appalachian's signature win and national championships really was different at the time. It changed the landscape of college football. More and more FCS (1-AA) teams started beating the bigger guys. The world took notice. The Florida win was just not the same and Georgia Southern has no recent FCS national championships to help bolster the Florida win.

their national championships did much of nothing for them in terms of naitonal branding, just like it did nothing for us, and did nothing for wku. Unless you go to or went to an fcs school, nobody cares about fcs championships. There is a reason why the lowest rated bowl game still gets more viewers than the FCS NC game.

And that isn't meant as a dig at app, that's just the truth.

you really think a regional school with 6 wins in your second yr of FBS in a low tier conference will get you to Orlando? If your AD can pull that one off, I would call him the best AD in the country!!

(07-28-2015 11:34 AM)moehler Wrote:  you really think a regional school with 6 wins in your second yr of FBS in a low tier conference will get you to Orlando? If your AD can pull that one off, I would call him the best AD in the country!!

since we aren't a regional school, I assume you are referring to app.
And you also seem to not grasp the fact that win-loss record doesn't have much to do with who goes to what bowl.

It's not like he's hypothetically getting the Cotton Bowl or something. We have a tie in, and it's not even our top bowl. It would make sense to pick the closest geographical team that was bowl eligible.

I hope we get it though, it's by far the most appealing as far as location, and opponent go.

(07-28-2015 11:33 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  their national championships did much of nothing for them in terms of naitonal branding, just like it did nothing for us, and did nothing for wku. Unless you go to or went to an fcs school, nobody cares about fcs championships. There is a reason why the lowest rated bowl game still gets more viewers than the FCS NC game.

And that isn't meant as a dig at app, that's just the truth.

I agree about WKU. I disagree about Appalachian State's national championships. By themselves, they would have meant nothing. Had it not been for their win over #5 Michigan, I would have never known they made three in a row, nor would I have cared. They made people care. Had Georgia Southern had won two national championships in '11 and '12 then beat Florida in '13, ESPN would have said about you what they said about Appalachian State: "they've won two in a row, 17 games straight, they are champions, and they don't know how to lose and they proved that today, they are not your typical 1-AA team at all". Why do you think I remember all this? It changed the college football world when they beat Michigan.

(07-28-2015 11:18 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 10:40 AM)sidslidkid Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 10:29 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  It's an in-state school game and we have higher attendance and a bigger national brand than Georgia Southern.

And no, you don't have a bigger national brand than Georgia Southern. How are you measuring this?

Appalachian State has a bigger national brand than Georgia Southern. I would argue much bigger. The win over #5 Michigan vaulted them way past Georgia Southern. Everyone still remembers that as the biggest upset in college football history.

That win lead to the discussion of their three national championships in a row (might have been two at the time). Lots of people followed them to see if they could win another one. That conversation never happened when Georgia Southern beat Florida. People remember, but it just wasn't that big of a deal.

They were what North Dakota State is now. No one ever thought of Georgia Southern in that manner. Georgia Southern won two in a row in 1999 and 2000, but it was at a time when less people cared about 1-AA football, and there was no signature win to make people say "wow".

Most people don't know Adrian Peterson played for Georgia Southern, just like most people don't know DeMarcus Ware and Osi Umenyiora played for Troy. "No way he played for Georgia Southern, look it up" is the response I get when I tell people where Peterson played.

(07-28-2015 11:08 AM)Scrotumus Wrote:  ...last year's running the conference table and all the press and TV exposure GS got...

Running the conference table means absolutely nothing to the average fan. They don't even know who's in the Sun Belt, so why would they care. Their knowledge of the Sun Belt is about 1/10th of most of our knowledge of the MAC.

Georgia Southern hasn't gotten anymore press than Louisiana or Arkansas State or troy has during their title runs and bowl seasons. We see press clippings and we think everyone reads them, all the time. That's just not the case.

Maybe its a matter of opinion but I think GS has a bigger name around the southeast and country than does App. Its probably close. Everywhere I go, being a former player, people ask me where I played, and when I tell them GS, the first thing out of their mouths are "Erk Russell" He is the one main reason so many people know about GS, plus all the success after he left.
There are tons of people who are older UGA fans, Auburn, and SEC fans alike that know who Erk Russell was because of his time and success as a defensive coordinator at UGA. Not to mention the 8 NC appearances and 6 NChampionship titles. The success building a program from scratch that came from nothing is and has been a big story itself with GS. You guys had 3 NC all in a row and a win over Michigan. That did allot for App but it wasnt the same success over a longer period of time than it was with GS, plus GS having a coach that every college football fan in the southeast over the age of 35 knew.

After the Florida win many where talking about how Erk Russell had built the program. ESPN did a several page spread on Erk. Paul Johnson, GT head coach often gets referred to as the former head coach of GS because of our offensive systems. The media attention just this past year alone with the close games at GT and NC St and going undefeated in conf play has been huge.

There is no way someone can convince me that App St is a more known football school than GS. Not so.

(07-28-2015 11:44 AM)eagle9098 Wrote:  Everywhere I go, being a former player, people ask me where I played, and when I tell them GS, the first thing out of their mouths are "Erk Russell" He is the one main reason so many people know about GS, plus all the success after he left.

I can't argue with that statement. My boss is an Auburn grad (He's 62) and he talks about Erk Russell a lot. He was a big deal back then. I also agree with the guy who said both are niche brands, and not truly national brands, though one can be more nationally relevant than the other. I just think it's Appalachian,my opinion of course, no way to prove it.

National brand? Why are y'all arguing over something that is nearly impossible to quantify? None of us are national brands anyway.

(07-28-2015 11:40 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 11:34 AM)moehler Wrote:  you really think a regional school with 6 wins in your second yr of FBS in a low tier conference will get you to Orlando? If your AD can pull that one off, I would call him the best AD in the country!!

since we aren't a regional school, I assume you are referring to app.
And you also seem to not grasp the fact that win-loss record doesn't have much to do with who goes to what bowl.

If we win the conference, I think we would go to the GoDaddy.com Bowl. If not and we are still fortunate enough to be bowl eligible, then I think the Cure Bowl will call.

(07-28-2015 11:49 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 11:44 AM)eagle9098 Wrote:  Everywhere I go, being a former player, people ask me where I played, and when I tell them GS, the first thing out of their mouths are "Erk Russell" He is the one main reason so many people know about GS, plus all the success after he left.

I can't argue with that statement. My boss is an Auburn grad (He's 62) and he talks about Erk Russell a lot. He was a big deal back then. I also agree with the guy who said both are niche brands, and not truly national brands, though one can be more nationally relevant than the other. I just think it's Appalachian,my opinion of course, no way to prove it.

I think if one has more national relevance, it is based on who has done more in the past season. Before the 2013 season, it was app, in the last 2 years, it is us. Now if app comes out and runs the table with a close loss to clemson, or if they have an ok season and beat clemson, it will sway back to them.

(07-28-2015 11:49 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 11:44 AM)eagle9098 Wrote:  Everywhere I go, being a former player, people ask me where I played, and when I tell them GS, the first thing out of their mouths are "Erk Russell" He is the one main reason so many people know about GS, plus all the success after he left.

I can't argue with that statement. My boss is an Auburn grad (He's 62) and he talks about Erk Russell a lot. He was a big deal back then.

Had we had the same success under a different coach I doubt we would even be as known as we are.

(07-28-2015 11:44 AM)eagle9098 Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 11:18 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 10:40 AM)sidslidkid Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 10:29 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  It's an in-state school game and we have higher attendance and a bigger national brand than Georgia Southern.

And no, you don't have a bigger national brand than Georgia Southern. How are you measuring this?

Appalachian State has a bigger national brand than Georgia Southern. I would argue much bigger. The win over #5 Michigan vaulted them way past Georgia Southern. Everyone still remembers that as the biggest upset in college football history.

That win lead to the discussion of their three national championships in a row (might have been two at the time). Lots of people followed them to see if they could win another one. That conversation never happened when Georgia Southern beat Florida. People remember, but it just wasn't that big of a deal.

They were what North Dakota State is now. No one ever thought of Georgia Southern in that manner. Georgia Southern won two in a row in 1999 and 2000, but it was at a time when less people cared about 1-AA football, and there was no signature win to make people say "wow".

Most people don't know Adrian Peterson played for Georgia Southern, just like most people don't know DeMarcus Ware and Osi Umenyiora played for Troy. "No way he played for Georgia Southern, look it up" is the response I get when I tell people where Peterson played.

(07-28-2015 11:08 AM)Scrotumus Wrote:  ...last year's running the conference table and all the press and TV exposure GS got...

Running the conference table means absolutely nothing to the average fan. They don't even know who's in the Sun Belt, so why would they care. Their knowledge of the Sun Belt is about 1/10th of most of our knowledge of the MAC.

Georgia Southern hasn't gotten anymore press than Louisiana or Arkansas State or troy has during their title runs and bowl seasons. We see press clippings and we think everyone reads them, all the time. That's just not the case.

Maybe its a matter of opinion but I think GS has a bigger name around the southeast and country than does App. Its probably close. Everywhere I go, being a former player, people ask me where I played, and when I tell them GS, the first thing out of their mouths are "Erk Russell" He is the one main reason so many people know about GS, plus all the success after he left.
There are tons of people who are older UGA fans, Auburn, and SEC fans alike that know who Erk Russell was because of his time and success as a defensive coordinator at UGA. Not to mention the 8 NC appearances and 6 NChampionship titles. The success building a program from scratch that came from nothing is and has been a big story itself with GS. You guys had 3 NC all in a row and a win over Michigan. That did allot for App but it wasnt the same success over a longer period of time than it was with GS, plus GS having a coach that every college football fan in the southeast over the age of 35 knew.

After the Florida win many where talking about how Erk Russell had built the program. ESPN did a several page spread on Erk. Paul Johnson, GT head coach often gets referred to as the former head coach of GS because of our offensive systems. The media attention just this past year alone with the close games at GT and NC St and going undefeated in conf play has been huge.

There is no way someone can convince me that App St is a more known football school than GS. Not so.

I think that's all a matter of where you go. If you're in the deep south, or in Georgia, of course more people will know about GS. Erk was a huge name throughout. If you go to B1G country, then App will be much more heard of.
Very few people people in NC know anything about Georgia Southern, just as I'm sure very few people in GA know anything about App State. That's just how it is for now.

(07-28-2015 11:53 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 11:49 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 11:44 AM)eagle9098 Wrote:  Everywhere I go, being a former player, people ask me where I played, and when I tell them GS, the first thing out of their mouths are "Erk Russell" He is the one main reason so many people know about GS, plus all the success after he left.

I can't argue with that statement. My boss is an Auburn grad (He's 62) and he talks about Erk Russell a lot. He was a big deal back then. I also agree with the guy who said both are niche brands, and not truly national brands, though one can be more nationally relevant than the other. I just think it's Appalachian,my opinion of course, no way to prove it.

I think if one has more national relevance, it is based on who has done more in the past season. Before the 2013 season, it was app, in the last 2 years, it is us. Now if app comes out and runs the table with a close loss to clemson, or if they have an ok season and beat clemson, it will sway back to them.

I would agree with that too, but as far as more people knowing the name as far as college football I give that edge to GS, mainly because of Erk Russell and his name alone connected with our program.

You guys need to pull out the measuring stick and get this over with.

Both schools are mid-majors. The Cure Bowl will take whoever it thinks can sell the most tickets. Living in Orlando, Georgia Southern probably has slightly more alums in the area (only because we pull a lot of FL kids to Statesboro) but does that make it swing one way or another? I doubt it.

App has better home attendance, but GS arguably travels better than App does. Add to that our fan base is closer and I think the Cure will have us at the top of their list in most scenarios.

As for the hope of getting ECU in the game…don't count on it. ECU is not going to finish low enough in the AAC to get picked for that bowl.

(07-28-2015 11:56 AM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 11:44 AM)eagle9098 Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 11:18 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 10:40 AM)sidslidkid Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 10:29 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  It's an in-state school game and we have higher attendance and a bigger national brand than Georgia Southern.

And no, you don't have a bigger national brand than Georgia Southern. How are you measuring this?

Appalachian State has a bigger national brand than Georgia Southern. I would argue much bigger. The win over #5 Michigan vaulted them way past Georgia Southern. Everyone still remembers that as the biggest upset in college football history.

That win lead to the discussion of their three national championships in a row (might have been two at the time). Lots of people followed them to see if they could win another one. That conversation never happened when Georgia Southern beat Florida. People remember, but it just wasn't that big of a deal.

They were what North Dakota State is now. No one ever thought of Georgia Southern in that manner. Georgia Southern won two in a row in 1999 and 2000, but it was at a time when less people cared about 1-AA football, and there was no signature win to make people say "wow".

Most people don't know Adrian Peterson played for Georgia Southern, just like most people don't know DeMarcus Ware and Osi Umenyiora played for Troy. "No way he played for Georgia Southern, look it up" is the response I get when I tell people where Peterson played.

(07-28-2015 11:08 AM)Scrotumus Wrote:  ...last year's running the conference table and all the press and TV exposure GS got...

Running the conference table means absolutely nothing to the average fan. They don't even know who's in the Sun Belt, so why would they care. Their knowledge of the Sun Belt is about 1/10th of most of our knowledge of the MAC.

Georgia Southern hasn't gotten anymore press than Louisiana or Arkansas State or troy has during their title runs and bowl seasons. We see press clippings and we think everyone reads them, all the time. That's just not the case.

Maybe its a matter of opinion but I think GS has a bigger name around the southeast and country than does App. Its probably close. Everywhere I go, being a former player, people ask me where I played, and when I tell them GS, the first thing out of their mouths are "Erk Russell" He is the one main reason so many people know about GS, plus all the success after he left.
There are tons of people who are older UGA fans, Auburn, and SEC fans alike that know who Erk Russell was because of his time and success as a defensive coordinator at UGA. Not to mention the 8 NC appearances and 6 NChampionship titles. The success building a program from scratch that came from nothing is and has been a big story itself with GS. You guys had 3 NC all in a row and a win over Michigan. That did allot for App but it wasnt the same success over a longer period of time than it was with GS, plus GS having a coach that every college football fan in the southeast over the age of 35 knew.

After the Florida win many where talking about how Erk Russell had built the program. ESPN did a several page spread on Erk. Paul Johnson, GT head coach often gets referred to as the former head coach of GS because of our offensive systems. The media attention just this past year alone with the close games at GT and NC St and going undefeated in conf play has been huge.

There is no way someone can convince me that App St is a more known football school than GS. Not so.

I think that's all a matter of where you go. If you're in the deep south, or in Georgia, of course more people will know about GS. Erk was a huge name throughout. If you go to B1G country, then App will be much more heard of.
Very few people people in NC know anything about Georgia Southern, just as I'm sure very few people in GA know anything about App State. That's just how it is for now.

You may be right about NC and more knowing App but if you take the SEC alone and ask the men 40 yrs old and up who have followed football there are tons of them who knew Erk and many know the story of what he did at GS, and thats all over the southeast. I have met people all over the country when asked where I played........many would even say "yeah I remember that old bald headed coach Erk something guy yall had" He alone has brought more notoriety to GS than even our success on the field. As I said many times when asked and I say GS, the first thing out of their mouths is Erk Russell. Lots of people loved and admired him.

(07-28-2015 12:06 PM)eagle9098 Wrote:  You may be right about NC and more knowing App but if you take the SEC alone and ask the men 40 yrs old and up who have followed football there are tons of them who knew Erk and many know the story of what he did at GS, and thats all over the southeast. I have met people all over the country when asked where I played........many would even say "yeah I remember that old bald headed coach Erk something guy yall had" He alone has brought more notoriety to GS than even our success on the field. As I said many times when asked and I say GS, the first thing out of their mouths is Erk Russell. Lots of people loved and admired him.

That's what I'm saying. People know about GS because of Erk, specifically in SEC country, and people know about App because of Michigan, specifically in B1G country. Neither of us are "brands" nationally though, people have just heard of both of us due to individual things. Regionally, we both do quite well.

(07-28-2015 12:10 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 12:06 PM)eagle9098 Wrote:  You may be right about NC and more knowing App but if you take the SEC alone and ask the men 40 yrs old and up who have followed football there are tons of them who knew Erk and many know the story of what he did at GS, and thats all over the southeast. I have met people all over the country when asked where I played........many would even say "yeah I remember that old bald headed coach Erk something guy yall had" He alone has brought more notoriety to GS than even our success on the field. As I said many times when asked and I say GS, the first thing out of their mouths is Erk Russell. Lots of people loved and admired him.

That's what I'm saying. People know about GS because of Erk, specifically in SEC country, and people know about App because of Michigan, specifically in B1G country. Neither of us are "brands" nationally though, people have just heard of both of us due to individual things. Regionally, we both do quite well.

I agree that neither of us are national brands, I was replying to the guy that said App St was a bigger national brand and I disagreed.

(07-28-2015 11:18 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 10:40 AM)sidslidkid Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 10:29 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  It's an in-state school game and we have higher attendance and a bigger national brand than Georgia Southern.

And no, you don't have a bigger national brand than Georgia Southern. How are you measuring this?

Appalachian State has a bigger national brand than Georgia Southern. I would argue much bigger. The win over #5 Michigan vaulted them way past Georgia Southern. Everyone still remembers that as the biggest upset in college football history.

That win lead to the discussion of their three national championships in a row (might have been two at the time). Lots of people followed them to see if they could win another one. That conversation never happened when Georgia Southern beat Florida. People remember, but it just wasn't that big of a deal.

They were what North Dakota State is now. No one ever thought of Georgia Southern in that manner. Georgia Southern won two in a row in 1999 and 2000, but it was at a time when less people cared about 1-AA football, and there was no signature win to make people say "wow".

Most people don't know Adrian Peterson played for Georgia Southern, just like most people don't know DeMarcus Ware and Osi Umenyiora played for Troy. "No way he played for Georgia Southern, look it up" is the response I get when I tell people where Peterson played.

(07-28-2015 11:08 AM)Scrotumus Wrote:  ...last year's running the conference table and all the press and TV exposure GS got...

Running the conference table means absolutely nothing to the average fan. They don't even know who's in the Sun Belt, so why would they care. Their knowledge of the Sun Belt is about 1/10th of most of our knowledge of the MAC.

Georgia Southern hasn't gotten anymore press than Louisiana or Arkansas State or Troy has during their title runs and bowl seasons. We see press clippings and we think everyone reads them, all the time. That's just not the case.

I'm sorry, but with those two statements you have lost all credibility with me concerning FCS and Georgia Southern. We DOMINATED 1-AA when it was a much bigger deal than it is now. 4 NC's within 6 years when 1-AA games could be seen on ESPN every so often. GS was a much bigger deal in the 80's than the mid to late 90's. We were universally known as the kings of 1-AA during that original stretch.

Let's see if I have this straight. Georgia Southern is a bigger "national" brand in Georgia, and App State has a bigger "national" brand in North Carolina. Got it.

(07-28-2015 12:35 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  Let's see if I have this straight. Georgia Southern is a bigger "national" brand in Georgia, and App State has a bigger "national" brand in North Carolina. Got it.

exactly!