This had nothing to do with a cost saving or that ESPN is in some trouble. Fox wanted him bad and overpaid. ESPN threw a big contract at him and Fox went over the top. It came down to the fact that ESPN wanted his content but wasnt willing to overpay since they have other talent that they can prop up.

Letting a few talent go that saves a few million isnt a sign of a problem when your talking about a company that spends hundred of billions of dollars. These guys salaries are a drop in the bucket. It wont affect their acquisition of content at all.

It came down to him wanting his radio show on ESPN/ESPN2 which was never going to happen.


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(07-16-2015 05:33 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 03:29 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Fire away ESPN...you clearly overpaid for conference rights like sec, big 12, and acc.

Didn't you want ESPN to overpay for the AAC as well?

No...I wanted a fair $6 million a year. $2 million is a joke for having a bunch of regular top 25 basketball teams and football teams in big markets that get "decent" ratings.

Oh well, we will just enjoy our $2 million for 5 more years and hopefully be in a better position in the future.

(07-16-2015 09:54 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 05:33 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 03:29 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Fire away ESPN...you clearly overpaid for conference rights like sec, big 12, and acc.

Didn't you want ESPN to overpay for the AAC as well?

No...I wanted a fair $6 million a year. $2 million is a joke for having a bunch of regular top 25 basketball teams and football teams in big markets that get "decent" ratings.

Oh well, we will just enjoy our $2 million for 5 more years and hopefully be in a better position in the future.

I dont think well stay under our contract for the entire 4 more years. My guess is that there will be an early extension announced within 2 years.

(07-16-2015 03:55 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 03:29 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Was he let go or is he leaving for more money? Also, why is this "boom"?

"... A person with knowledge of the negotiations said ESPN "bid aggressively" to keep Cowherd -- a notable point because the network is looking to cost cuts where possible."

http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/16/media/co...ving-espn/


The boom was because it is one more talking heading leaving ESPN. Now if they can just get rid of Skip, Woody and Steven A., then I might be able to actually listen to some of the stuff that those people say.

Stephen A, when not used on a 'debate show' (which he largely has been during his tenure) isn't bad. I never understood the popularity of Cowherd, so this is no big loss. I really can't stand the 'personalities' of ESPN anyway and wish they would just stick to televising live sports. Now get off my lawn.

I always thought Cowherd was a good ANALYST. I thought he was very good at finding the nuances of a situation. I also believe he is highly intelligent and actually understands what he is talking about. Better than just some golden boy saying what everyone wants to hear or talking about what outfits NBA draftees are wearing or their twitter habits. I hate ESPN and only listened to his show....now I don't have to listen to ESPN radio any more! HOORAY!

Never really cared for him, didn't dislike him though.

(07-17-2015 07:49 AM)40smokingcannon Wrote:  I always thought Cowherd was a good ANALYST. I thought he was very good at finding the nuances of a situation. I also believe he is highly intelligent and actually understands what he is talking about. Better than just some golden boy saying what everyone wants to hear or talking about what outfits NBA draftees are wearing or their twitter habits. I hate ESPN and only listened to his show....now I don't have to listen to ESPN radio any more! HOORAY!

Not all the times (which is the biggest fault of almost all elitist) when he makes comments like: "USC should win every game...just because they are USC."

He is glued to elitist thoughts that only elitist (especially in regards to college athletics and even in the general society), can win.

He used to actually analyze teams/games, etc...now he spends 5 secs by saying this "elitist team" should always win...and basically never lose.

He spent a lot more time on societal issues (many elitist) away from sports angling for a TV job with CNN/MSNBC and others....and wouldn't be surprised if FOX uses him in that way (i.e. draw up controversy on TV/radio about issues on and off the field).

(07-17-2015 10:52 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(07-17-2015 07:49 AM)40smokingcannon Wrote:  I always thought Cowherd was a good ANALYST. I thought he was very good at finding the nuances of a situation. I also believe he is highly intelligent and actually understands what he is talking about. Better than just some golden boy saying what everyone wants to hear or talking about what outfits NBA draftees are wearing or their twitter habits. I hate ESPN and only listened to his show....now I don't have to listen to ESPN radio any more! HOORAY!

Not all the times (which is the biggest fault of almost all elitist) when he makes comments like: "USC should win every game...just because they are USC."

He is glued to elitist thoughts that only elitist (especially in regards to college athletics and even in the general society), can win.

He used to actually analyze teams/games, etc...now he spends 5 secs by saying this "elitist team" should always win...and basically never lose.

He spent a lot more time on societal issues (many elitist) away from sports angling for a TV job with CNN/MSNBC and others....and wouldn't be surprised if FOX uses him in that way (i.e. draw up controversy on TV/radio about issues on and off the field).

Is he a USC homer? Sure. Does he overestimate the "elites" or "big boys"? Yes. Is he a "Top 40 kind of guy"? Yep. I dislike "Top 40 kind of guys" but there is no denying Cowherd is good at detail, motive, human behavior, human nature, etc. and (I think) breaking down arguments into their essence and he is mostly right....about sports or society. Anyway, I will follow him on Fox and hope he continues to go against the status quo of sports media.

(07-17-2015 12:12 PM)40smokingcannon Wrote:  

(07-17-2015 10:52 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(07-17-2015 07:49 AM)40smokingcannon Wrote:  I always thought Cowherd was a good ANALYST. I thought he was very good at finding the nuances of a situation. I also believe he is highly intelligent and actually understands what he is talking about. Better than just some golden boy saying what everyone wants to hear or talking about what outfits NBA draftees are wearing or their twitter habits. I hate ESPN and only listened to his show....now I don't have to listen to ESPN radio any more! HOORAY!

Not all the times (which is the biggest fault of almost all elitist) when he makes comments like: "USC should win every game...just because they are USC."

He is glued to elitist thoughts that only elitist (especially in regards to college athletics and even in the general society), can win.

He used to actually analyze teams/games, etc...now he spends 5 secs by saying this "elitist team" should always win...and basically never lose.

He spent a lot more time on societal issues (many elitist) away from sports angling for a TV job with CNN/MSNBC and others....and wouldn't be surprised if FOX uses him in that way (i.e. draw up controversy on TV/radio about issues on and off the field).

Is he a USC homer? Sure. Does he overestimate the "elites" or "big boys"? Yes. Is he a "Top 40 kind of guy"? Yep. I dislike "Top 40 kind of guys" but there is no denying Cowherd is good at detail, motive, human behavior, human nature, etc. and (I think) breaking down arguments into their essence and he is mostly right....about sports or society. Anyway, I will follow him on Fox and hope he continues to go against the status quo of sports media.

Not really...as he just says that elitist (USC, Oregon, Michigan, etc...) should always win, as he stopped doing analysis a long time ago.

He use to talk more about college football than all the other national radio host combined, which was one main reason for his popularity.

I guess he could end up in the Noon EDT time slot for FOX Sports Radio.

(07-16-2015 10:42 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 09:54 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 05:33 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 03:29 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Fire away ESPN...you clearly overpaid for conference rights like sec, big 12, and acc.

Didn't you want ESPN to overpay for the AAC as well?

No...I wanted a fair $6 million a year. $2 million is a joke for having a bunch of regular top 25 basketball teams and football teams in big markets that get "decent" ratings.

Oh well, we will just enjoy our $2 million for 5 more years and hopefully be in a better position in the future.

I dont think we'll stay under our contract for the entire 4 more years. My guess is that there will be an early extension announced within 2 years.

If they're serious about cutting and/or controlling costs, we most definitely ARE staying under ESPN control for the remainder of the contract.

(07-17-2015 03:06 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(07-17-2015 12:12 PM)40smokingcannon Wrote:  

(07-17-2015 10:52 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(07-17-2015 07:49 AM)40smokingcannon Wrote:  I always thought Cowherd was a good ANALYST. I thought he was very good at finding the nuances of a situation. I also believe he is highly intelligent and actually understands what he is talking about. Better than just some golden boy saying what everyone wants to hear or talking about what outfits NBA draftees are wearing or their twitter habits. I hate ESPN and only listened to his show....now I don't have to listen to ESPN radio any more! HOORAY!

Not all the times (which is the biggest fault of almost all elitist) when he makes comments like: "USC should win every game...just because they are USC."

He is glued to elitist thoughts that only elitist (especially in regards to college athletics and even in the general society), can win.

He used to actually analyze teams/games, etc...now he spends 5 secs by saying this "elitist team" should always win...and basically never lose.

He spent a lot more time on societal issues (many elitist) away from sports angling for a TV job with CNN/MSNBC and others....and wouldn't be surprised if FOX uses him in that way (i.e. draw up controversy on TV/radio about issues on and off the field).

Is he a USC homer? Sure. Does he overestimate the "elites" or "big boys"? Yes. Is he a "Top 40 kind of guy"? Yep. I dislike "Top 40 kind of guys" but there is no denying Cowherd is good at detail, motive, human behavior, human nature, etc. and (I think) breaking down arguments into their essence and he is mostly right....about sports or society. Anyway, I will follow him on Fox and hope he continues to go against the status quo of sports media.

Not really...as he just says that elitist (USC, Oregon, Michigan, etc...) should always win, as he stopped doing analysis a long time ago.

He use to talk more about college football than all the other national radio host combined, which was one main reason for his popularity.

I guess he could end up in the Noon EDT time slot for FOX Sports Radio.

Actually, he never said that they should always win. He says that the product is better when they win and he never puts Oregon in the same category with them. He praised Oregon's style, but says the fact that they have to play that way is the reason they'll always come up short.

He also said that the only reason USC was that dominate was because the PAC-10 was horrible. Stanford, UCLA, Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Arizona, and Arizona state all sucked. He said it was good to have their brand as a winning brand.

Now where I get miffed is when he says that he doesn't want to see anyone else do it. He's mentioned Boise State and TCU as those he doesn't want to see have regular success, because having them near the top is detrimental to some big brand who may have been knocked off by them.

(07-17-2015 04:35 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 10:42 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 09:54 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 05:33 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 03:29 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Fire away ESPN...you clearly overpaid for conference rights like sec, big 12, and acc.

Didn't you want ESPN to overpay for the AAC as well?

No...I wanted a fair $6 million a year. $2 million is a joke for having a bunch of regular top 25 basketball teams and football teams in big markets that get "decent" ratings.

Oh well, we will just enjoy our $2 million for 5 more years and hopefully be in a better position in the future.

I dont think we'll stay under our contract for the entire 4 more years. My guess is that there will be an early extension announced within 2 years.

If they're serious about cutting and/or controlling costs, we most definitely ARE staying under ESPN control for the remainder of the contract.

This is a company that spends hundreds of Billions... letting these guys go is only a few million. Its a drop in a bucket and not a sign that the company is having any issues at all.

(07-18-2015 11:33 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Actually, he never said that they should always win.

Actually, he has...multiple times....all because of their name and what they did in the past.

(07-18-2015 11:56 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(07-17-2015 04:35 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 10:42 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 09:54 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 05:33 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  Didn't you want ESPN to overpay for the AAC as well?

No...I wanted a fair $6 million a year. $2 million is a joke for having a bunch of regular top 25 basketball teams and football teams in big markets that get "decent" ratings.

Oh well, we will just enjoy our $2 million for 5 more years and hopefully be in a better position in the future.

I dont think we'll stay under our contract for the entire 4 more years. My guess is that there will be an early extension announced within 2 years.

If they're serious about cutting and/or controlling costs, we most definitely ARE staying under ESPN control for the remainder of the contract.

This is a company that spends hundreds of Billions... letting these guys go is only a few million. Its a drop in a bucket and not a sign that the company is having any issues at all.

You really don't understand the corporate world in 2015 if you believe that.

(07-19-2015 06:20 AM)UCF_SystemsEng Wrote:  

(07-18-2015 11:56 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(07-17-2015 04:35 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 10:42 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 09:54 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  No...I wanted a fair $6 million a year. $2 million is a joke for having a bunch of regular top 25 basketball teams and football teams in big markets that get "decent" ratings.

Oh well, we will just enjoy our $2 million for 5 more years and hopefully be in a better position in the future.

I dont think we'll stay under our contract for the entire 4 more years. My guess is that there will be an early extension announced within 2 years.

If they're serious about cutting and/or controlling costs, we most definitely ARE staying under ESPN control for the remainder of the contract.

This is a company that spends hundreds of Billions... letting these guys go is only a few million. Its a drop in a bucket and not a sign that the company is having any issues at all.

You really don't understand the corporate world in 2015 if you believe that.

and you really dont understand ESPNs strategy if you think they will let us go to open market again.

Last time they had to destroy us in order to secure the most valuable pieces because we went to open market. Weve learned our lesson and wont do it again.
ESPN will come to the table about 1-2 years before end of contract and extend it. Theyve done it multiple times with the most recent being the MAC. (last year)

Cowherd earned an early exit from ESPN with his recent remarks about Dominicans. He has been pulled from the air.

(07-24-2015 04:35 PM)subflea Wrote:  Cowherd earned an early exit from ESPN with his recent remarks about Dominicans. He has been pulled from the air.

I heard him say it, could not believe it, what a moron.

(07-24-2015 05:14 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(07-24-2015 04:35 PM)subflea Wrote:  Cowherd earned an early exit from ESPN with his recent remarks about Dominicans. He has been pulled from the air.

I heard him say it, could not believe it, what a moron.

what did he say? or if you don't want to say specifically, list a link with quotes.

(07-24-2015 05:14 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(07-24-2015 04:35 PM)subflea Wrote:  Cowherd earned an early exit from ESPN with his recent remarks about Dominicans. He has been pulled from the air.

I heard him say it, could not believe it, what a moron.

Heard his show yesterday (original comments) and today (slight backstepping).

Yesterday, he was trying to explain how tough it is to coach football vs managing in baseball, when many of your players don't even speak the language (MLB) and where approx 4% of players/managers have college degrees.

Dominican Republic is a very poor country and terrible academic standing in the world yet Herd doesn't even say that and the predictable twits in the world freak out.

ESPN could have and probably should have taken Herd off the air multiple times in the past for being such an arrogant prick and if not for Herd leaving soon for FOX, I doubt ESPN would have done anything in this case...but this was just an excuse for ESPN to pull the plug on Herd so he could never have his official going away show/week.

This controversy will probably help him draw in big crowds for his first shows on FOX.

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/sports/...propriate/