(06-24-2015 12:40 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Stop. Why ask?

+1

No, I'm actually showing the absurdity of taking the names off of buildings and tearing down monuments.

No other institution/association within the United States still in existence has a more direct relationship to slavery than the Democrat Party. Even the KKK is less attached to slavery than the Democrat Party. The KKK is a vile, racist organization that has had ignorant racists like Sen. Robert Byrd and Justice Hugo Black as members, but it never had the power to establish laws solidifying slavery as an institution like the Democrat Party. If you want to go after the real monuments to slavery, tear down the Democrat Party!

Tell me how I'm wrong.

By the way, I'm not for tearing anything down any monuments or taking any name off of anything. I'm not even for getting rid of the Democrat Party. I'm simply trying to show where this PC ridiculousness may eventually take us. All it (PC) is doing is dividing us as a people into hyphenated groups with our little grievances instead of being members of one culture; an American culture.

(07-09-2015 10:06 AM)JMU_71 Wrote:  I say we do away with the Democrat Party since it was the party associated with slavery. I think that all Democrats should have to atone for the history of their party as a bigoted, hate-filled party.

Discuss....

Seeing how those former Democratic political interests have morphed over the last 150 years into the Dixiecrat party, then the so-called "Southern Strategy" of Nixon born from the loins of 60s era reforms associated with the Civil Rights movement, and are today most closely associated with the ideologies of Republican Tea Baggers, yes, I agree with you. We should hold all Republican-Tea Bag/Dixiecrats responsible for their failures, and work towards their ultimate political elimination.

On second thought, why interfere? Those people are doing a great job of working themselves into a seething mass of irrelevance all on their own. Soon they'll be related to the dustbin of history, joining the Whigs and other such parties.

What's a tea bagger?

What does that mean?

(07-10-2015 01:28 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  What's a tea bagger?

What does that mean?

It's admittedly a sideways reference to fans of the "Tea Party"...offered up in the same spirit as 71's reference to the "Democrat Party"

(07-10-2015 02:36 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(07-10-2015 01:28 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  What's a tea bagger?

What does that mean?

It's admittedly a sideways reference to fans of the "Tea Party"...offered up in the same spirit as 71's reference to the "Democrat Party"

Hunh.

My understanding was that it was a rather crude sexual reference of sorts, often used as a gay slur.

Don't see anything comparable there to 71's "reference", they are Democrats, correct? It's a party or group of them, is it not?

I don't see how the Tea Party or the Republican Party has anything to do with your conclusions Longhorn. If it weren't for Sens. Dirksen and Vandenburg and their fellow Republicans the Civil Rights Act of 1964 would not have passed. Further, the Civil Rights Act of 1957 was passed with overwhelming support from Republicans and signed by a Republican President (Eisenhower). As for the long leap you made from Dixiecrats to Tea Party folks, well let's look at that more closely. First, the only so-called Dixiecrat to actually become a Republican was Strom Thurmond. Thurmond later became the first Southern Senator--of either party--to hire an African-American staffer in his Capitol Hill office. Thurmond left office on approx. January 3, 2003. The Tea Party didn't even exist until February, 2009--early in BHO's presidency. So, obviously there is a little bit of a disconnect there.

Besides, I do not ever recall seeing any Tea Party folks saying anything about race. It's mostly a movement calling for fiscal restraint and budgetary sanity. I know many on the left think that if you don't spend increasingly more and more money on every cradle-to-grave program and you do believe in the rights guaranteed under ALL the Bill of Rights-- Amendments 1-10, then you must be a racist, xenophobic, homophobic lunatic. Well, intentions are not every thing; I'm more results oriented.

Also, I don't think that Robert Byrd was from a time long since passed. He died in office in 2009 or 2010. In the early 2000s he was on Meet the Press with Tim Russert and repeatedly used the "N" word to describe people. If you want to see other racist comments made by Democrats look to what Harry Reid said about BHO. I'm paraphrasing but Harry said that BHO had a distinct negro dialect that he could turn on and off. Those remarks were made during the 2008 campaign. BHO's own VP, Joe Biden (the gift that keeps on giving) said that BHO was the first neat, clean African-American candidate that Democrats had run. This prompted Al Sharpton to say, "What's he talking about? I take showers!" Of course, Biden's racist remarks don't just stop with African-Americans, no he's an equal opportunity racist gaffe machine. Back in 2005 or 2006 Biden said about convenience stores in Delaware, the following: "You cannot go into a 7-11 or a Dunkin Doughnuts without a slight Indian accent, and I'm not joking!" We know Joe, we know!

Before you dig into your bag of anecdotal evidence of obscure Republican state legislators or city officials, remember the three people I mentioned above were/are the Democrat leader in the U.S. Senate or Vice President of the United States. So, obviously the Democrat Party condones this kind of behavior or at bare minimum doesn't care so long as they continue to vote "D".

Have a lovely weekend! God Bless America!

(07-10-2015 01:47 PM)JMU_71 Wrote:  I don't see how the Tea Party or the Republican Party has anything to do with your conclusions Longhorn. If it weren't for Sens. Dirksen and Vandenburg and their fellow Republicans the Civil Rights Act of 1964 would not have passed. Further, the Civil Rights Act of 1957 was passed with overwhelming support from Republicans and signed by a Republican President (Eisenhower). As for the long leap you made from Dixiecrats to Tea Party folks, well let's look at that more closely. First, the only so-called Dixiecrat to actually become a Republican was Strom Thurmond. Thurmond later became the first Southern Senator--of either party--to hire an African-American staffer in his Capitol Hill office. Thurmond left office on approx. January 3, 2003. The Tea Party didn't even exist until February, 2009--early in BHO's presidency. So, obviously there is a little bit of a disconnect there.

Besides, I do not ever recall seeing any Tea Party folks saying anything about race. It's mostly a movement calling for fiscal restraint and budgetary sanity. I know many on the left think that if you don't spend increasingly more and more money on every cradle-to-grave program and you do believe in the rights guaranteed under ALL the Bill of Rights-- Amendments 1-10, then you must be a racist, xenophobic, homophobic lunatic. Well, intentions are not every thing; I'm more results oriented.

Also, I don't think that Robert Byrd was from a time long since passed. He died in office in 2009 or 2010. In the early 2000s he was on Meet the Press with Tim Russert and repeatedly used the "N" word to describe people. If you want to see other racist comments made by Democrats look to what Harry Reid said about BHO. I'm paraphrasing but Harry said that BHO had a distinct negro dialect that he could turn on and off. Those remarks were made during the 2008 campaign. BHO's own VP, Joe Biden (the gift that keeps on giving) said that BHO was the first neat, clean African-American candidate that Democrats had run. This prompted Al Sharpton to say, "What's he talking about? I take showers!" Of course, Biden's racist remarks don't just stop with African-Americans, no he's an equal opportunity racist gaffe machine. Back in 2005 or 2006 Biden said about convenience stores in Delaware, the following: "You cannot go into a 7-11 or a Dunkin Doughnuts without a slight Indian accent, and I'm not joking!" We know Joe, we know!

Before you dig into your bag of anecdotal evidence of obscure Republican state legislators or city officials, remember the three people I mentioned above were/are the Democrat leader in the U.S. Senate or Vice President of the United States. So, obviously the Democrat Party condones this kind of behavior or at bare minimum doesn't care so long as they continue to vote "D".

Have a lovely weekend! God Bless America!

Agreed - the racism in the 1940's-1960's in the South was not owned by any political party. Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans needed to consider the interests of the black population - it's not like blacks were going to be allowed to vote anyways. (Maybe one day the South will allow that to happen...)

A couple of other points:
1.) If you have to use Strom Thurmond as an example of racial advancement, you are in a very unenviable situation. (Unless you are talking about politicians having sex with those they publicly attack.)

2.) It is good, however, to bring up the fact that Thurmond and Byrd were repeatedly re-elected by SC and WV, respectively. Those that voted for those scumbags need to live with that shame. Remember, both of those men actually represented their states in the 21st Century.

3.) Similar to Godwin's Law, if you use the term "BHO" for Barack Obama, you lose any political credibility. (I would guess that you were not regularly mentioning John McCain's middle name when you were getting ready to vote for him.) Instead, it just gives off the (probably incorrect) impression that you believe someone whose family background has a different religious component in it than yours is ok for derision.

4.) You spelled Dunkin' Donuts wrong. Don't do it again.

(07-10-2015 05:45 PM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote:  

(07-10-2015 01:47 PM)JMU_71 Wrote:  I don't see how the Tea Party or the Republican Party has anything to do with your conclusions Longhorn. If it weren't for Sens. Dirksen and Vandenburg and their fellow Republicans the Civil Rights Act of 1964 would not have passed. Further, the Civil Rights Act of 1957 was passed with overwhelming support from Republicans and signed by a Republican President (Eisenhower). As for the long leap you made from Dixiecrats to Tea Party folks, well let's look at that more closely. First, the only so-called Dixiecrat to actually become a Republican was Strom Thurmond. Thurmond later became the first Southern Senator--of either party--to hire an African-American staffer in his Capitol Hill office. Thurmond left office on approx. January 3, 2003. The Tea Party didn't even exist until February, 2009--early in BHO's presidency. So, obviously there is a little bit of a disconnect there.

Besides, I do not ever recall seeing any Tea Party folks saying anything about race. It's mostly a movement calling for fiscal restraint and budgetary sanity. I know many on the left think that if you don't spend increasingly more and more money on every cradle-to-grave program and you do believe in the rights guaranteed under ALL the Bill of Rights-- Amendments 1-10, then you must be a racist, xenophobic, homophobic lunatic. Well, intentions are not every thing; I'm more results oriented.

Also, I don't think that Robert Byrd was from a time long since passed. He died in office in 2009 or 2010. In the early 2000s he was on Meet the Press with Tim Russert and repeatedly used the "N" word to describe people. If you want to see other racist comments made by Democrats look to what Harry Reid said about BHO. I'm paraphrasing but Harry said that BHO had a distinct negro dialect that he could turn on and off. Those remarks were made during the 2008 campaign. BHO's own VP, Joe Biden (the gift that keeps on giving) said that BHO was the first neat, clean African-American candidate that Democrats had run. This prompted Al Sharpton to say, "What's he talking about? I take showers!" Of course, Biden's racist remarks don't just stop with African-Americans, no he's an equal opportunity racist gaffe machine. Back in 2005 or 2006 Biden said about convenience stores in Delaware, the following: "You cannot go into a 7-11 or a Dunkin Doughnuts without a slight Indian accent, and I'm not joking!" We know Joe, we know!

Before you dig into your bag of anecdotal evidence of obscure Republican state legislators or city officials, remember the three people I mentioned above were/are the Democrat leader in the U.S. Senate or Vice President of the United States. So, obviously the Democrat Party condones this kind of behavior or at bare minimum doesn't care so long as they continue to vote "D".

Have a lovely weekend! God Bless America!

Agreed - the racism in the 1940's-1960's in the South was not owned by any political party. Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans needed to consider the interests of the black population - it's not like blacks were going to be allowed to vote anyways. (Maybe one day the South will allow that to happen...)

A couple of other points:
1.) If you have to use Strom Thurmond as an example of racial advancement, you are in a very unenviable situation. (Unless you are talking about politicians having sex with those they publicly attack.)

2.) It is good, however, to bring up the fact that Thurmond and Byrd were repeatedly re-elected by SC and WV, respectively. Those that voted for those scumbags need to live with that shame. Remember, both of those men actually represented their states in the 21st Century.

3.) Similar to Godwin's Law, if you use the term "BHO" for Barack Obama, you lose any political credibility. (I would guess that you were not regularly mentioning John McCain's middle name when you were getting ready to vote for him.) Instead, it just gives off the (probably incorrect) impression that you believe someone whose family background has a different religious component in it than yours is ok for derision.

4.) You spelled Dunkin' Donuts wrong. Don't do it again.

Wait just one minute, do they have Dunkin' Donuts in Canada? I was unaware Neil Young was on these boards.

Tell Neil Young or Sax Cow, , that a "Southern Man don't need him around anyhow"!

(07-10-2015 05:45 PM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote:  

(07-10-2015 01:47 PM)JMU_71 Wrote:  I don't see how the Tea Party or the Republican Party has anything to do with your conclusions Longhorn. If it weren't for Sens. Dirksen and Vandenburg and their fellow Republicans the Civil Rights Act of 1964 would not have passed. Further, the Civil Rights Act of 1957 was passed with overwhelming support from Republicans and signed by a Republican President (Eisenhower). As for the long leap you made from Dixiecrats to Tea Party folks, well let's look at that more closely. First, the only so-called Dixiecrat to actually become a Republican was Strom Thurmond. Thurmond later became the first Southern Senator--of either party--to hire an African-American staffer in his Capitol Hill office. Thurmond left office on approx. January 3, 2003. The Tea Party didn't even exist until February, 2009--early in BHO's presidency. So, obviously there is a little bit of a disconnect there.

Besides, I do not ever recall seeing any Tea Party folks saying anything about race. It's mostly a movement calling for fiscal restraint and budgetary sanity. I know many on the left think that if you don't spend increasingly more and more money on every cradle-to-grave program and you do believe in the rights guaranteed under ALL the Bill of Rights-- Amendments 1-10, then you must be a racist, xenophobic, homophobic lunatic. Well, intentions are not every thing; I'm more results oriented.

Also, I don't think that Robert Byrd was from a time long since passed. He died in office in 2009 or 2010. In the early 2000s he was on Meet the Press with Tim Russert and repeatedly used the "N" word to describe people. If you want to see other racist comments made by Democrats look to what Harry Reid said about BHO. I'm paraphrasing but Harry said that BHO had a distinct negro dialect that he could turn on and off. Those remarks were made during the 2008 campaign. BHO's own VP, Joe Biden (the gift that keeps on giving) said that BHO was the first neat, clean African-American candidate that Democrats had run. This prompted Al Sharpton to say, "What's he talking about? I take showers!" Of course, Biden's racist remarks don't just stop with African-Americans, no he's an equal opportunity racist gaffe machine. Back in 2005 or 2006 Biden said about convenience stores in Delaware, the following: "You cannot go into a 7-11 or a Dunkin Doughnuts without a slight Indian accent, and I'm not joking!" We know Joe, we know!

Before you dig into your bag of anecdotal evidence of obscure Republican state legislators or city officials, remember the three people I mentioned above were/are the Democrat leader in the U.S. Senate or Vice President of the United States. So, obviously the Democrat Party condones this kind of behavior or at bare minimum doesn't care so long as they continue to vote "D".

Have a lovely weekend! God Bless America!

Agreed - the racism in the 1940's-1960's in the South was not owned by any political party. Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans needed to consider the interests of the black population - it's not like blacks were going to be allowed to vote anyways. (Maybe one day the South will allow that to happen...)

A couple of other points:
1.) If you have to use Strom Thurmond as an example of racial advancement, you are in a very unenviable situation. (Unless you are talking about politicians having sex with those they publicly attack.)

2.) It is good, however, to bring up the fact that Thurmond and Byrd were repeatedly re-elected by SC and WV, respectively. Those that voted for those scumbags need to live with that shame. Remember, both of those men actually represented their states in the 21st Century.

3.) Similar to Godwin's Law, if you use the term "BHO" for Barack Obama, you lose any political credibility. (I would guess that you were not regularly mentioning John McCain's middle name when you were getting ready to vote for him.) Instead, it just gives off the (probably incorrect) impression that you believe someone whose family background has a different religious component in it than yours is ok for derision.

4.) You spelled Dunkin' Donuts wrong. Don't do it again.

Say what? Saying someone loses any political credibility for using BHO is a dumb kneejerk statement. I use BHO. And I also use GWB. Simple abbreviation as opposed to writing their whole names...

(07-11-2015 11:35 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(07-10-2015 05:45 PM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote:  

(07-10-2015 01:47 PM)JMU_71 Wrote:  I don't see how the Tea Party or the Republican Party has anything to do with your conclusions Longhorn. If it weren't for Sens. Dirksen and Vandenburg and their fellow Republicans the Civil Rights Act of 1964 would not have passed. Further, the Civil Rights Act of 1957 was passed with overwhelming support from Republicans and signed by a Republican President (Eisenhower). As for the long leap you made from Dixiecrats to Tea Party folks, well let's look at that more closely. First, the only so-called Dixiecrat to actually become a Republican was Strom Thurmond. Thurmond later became the first Southern Senator--of either party--to hire an African-American staffer in his Capitol Hill office. Thurmond left office on approx. January 3, 2003. The Tea Party didn't even exist until February, 2009--early in BHO's presidency. So, obviously there is a little bit of a disconnect there.

Besides, I do not ever recall seeing any Tea Party folks saying anything about race. It's mostly a movement calling for fiscal restraint and budgetary sanity. I know many on the left think that if you don't spend increasingly more and more money on every cradle-to-grave program and you do believe in the rights guaranteed under ALL the Bill of Rights-- Amendments 1-10, then you must be a racist, xenophobic, homophobic lunatic. Well, intentions are not every thing; I'm more results oriented.

Also, I don't think that Robert Byrd was from a time long since passed. He died in office in 2009 or 2010. In the early 2000s he was on Meet the Press with Tim Russert and repeatedly used the "N" word to describe people. If you want to see other racist comments made by Democrats look to what Harry Reid said about BHO. I'm paraphrasing but Harry said that BHO had a distinct negro dialect that he could turn on and off. Those remarks were made during the 2008 campaign. BHO's own VP, Joe Biden (the gift that keeps on giving) said that BHO was the first neat, clean African-American candidate that Democrats had run. This prompted Al Sharpton to say, "What's he talking about? I take showers!" Of course, Biden's racist remarks don't just stop with African-Americans, no he's an equal opportunity racist gaffe machine. Back in 2005 or 2006 Biden said about convenience stores in Delaware, the following: "You cannot go into a 7-11 or a Dunkin Doughnuts without a slight Indian accent, and I'm not joking!" We know Joe, we know!

Before you dig into your bag of anecdotal evidence of obscure Republican state legislators or city officials, remember the three people I mentioned above were/are the Democrat leader in the U.S. Senate or Vice President of the United States. So, obviously the Democrat Party condones this kind of behavior or at bare minimum doesn't care so long as they continue to vote "D".

Have a lovely weekend! God Bless America!

Agreed - the racism in the 1940's-1960's in the South was not owned by any political party. Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans needed to consider the interests of the black population - it's not like blacks were going to be allowed to vote anyways. (Maybe one day the South will allow that to happen...)

A couple of other points:
1.) If you have to use Strom Thurmond as an example of racial advancement, you are in a very unenviable situation. (Unless you are talking about politicians having sex with those they publicly attack.)

2.) It is good, however, to bring up the fact that Thurmond and Byrd were repeatedly re-elected by SC and WV, respectively. Those that voted for those scumbags need to live with that shame. Remember, both of those men actually represented their states in the 21st Century.

3.) Similar to Godwin's Law, if you use the term "BHO" for Barack Obama, you lose any political credibility. (I would guess that you were not regularly mentioning John McCain's middle name when you were getting ready to vote for him.) Instead, it just gives off the (probably incorrect) impression that you believe someone whose family background has a different religious component in it than yours is ok for derision.

4.) You spelled Dunkin' Donuts wrong. Don't do it again.

Say what? Saying someone loses any political credibility for using BHO is a dumb kneejerk statement. I use BHO. And I also use GWB. Simple abbreviation as opposed to writing their whole names...

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No doubt using "JFK" is also racist??? How aout "RFK"?

Besides, BHO's first name was "Barry" until he decided to go into politics.

I'm

(07-10-2015 11:23 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-10-2015 02:36 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(07-10-2015 01:28 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  What's a tea bagger?

What does that mean?

It's admittedly a sideways reference to fans of the "Tea Party"...offered up in the same spirit as 71's reference to the "Democrat Party"

Hunh.

My understanding was that it was a rather crude sexual reference of sorts, often used as a gay slur.

Don't see anything comparable there to 71's "reference", they are Democrats, correct? It's a party or group of them, is it not?

You're being either intentional duplicitous, or you're very naive. Reference to the "Democrat" party is (and has been for some time) a tired attempt by those people associated with conservative groupthink to slight the "Democratic Party"...the true name of the conservative opponents. And yes, you are correct in sharing that "tea bagging" is a sexual slang term...but I didn't write "tea bagging" I wrote "tea bagger"...because that's what followers of the Tea Party are, right? (See how this game works now?)

The use of middle initials and names of people from the Kennedys, Roosevelts, Rockefellers, Lees, etc. were/are used to stress their ties to large, elite families. Most times these were used by the person themselves. (In many cases it was necessary since there tended to be multiple people with the same first/last name combination when you include the large amount of cousins.) George HW Bush and George W Bush (and the up-and-coming George P Bush) are also prime examples of this.

Promoting Obama's middle name of Hussein was NOT done by the candidate during his 2008 run. It was done with the very clear message by his opponents (both supporters of Hillary and Republicans) that Obama must be a Muslim who was only pretending to be a Christian. (And they were doing that with the intention of equating all Muslims as terrorists.)

(07-11-2015 08:09 PM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote:  The use of middle initials and names of people from the Kennedys, Roosevelts, Rockefellers, Lees, etc. were/are used to stress their ties to large, elite families. Most times these were used by the person themselves. (In many cases it was necessary since there tended to be multiple people with the same first/last name combination when you include the large amount of cousins.) George HW Bush and George W Bush (and the up-and-coming George P Bush) are also prime examples of this.

Promoting Obama's middle name of Hussein was NOT done by the candidate during his 2008 run. It was done with the very clear message by his opponents (both supporters of Hillary and Republicans) that Obama must be a Muslim who was only pretending to be a Christian. (And they were doing that with the intention of equating all Muslims as terrorists.)

+1

Hey Cow and LH, ya'll mad bro?

this thread

(07-11-2015 08:09 PM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote:  The use of middle initials and names of people from the Kennedys, Roosevelts, Rockefellers, Lees, etc. were/are used to stress their ties to large, elite families. Most times these were used by the person themselves. (In many cases it was necessary since there tended to be multiple people with the same first/last name combination when you include the large amount of cousins.) George HW Bush and George W Bush (and the up-and-coming George P Bush) are also prime examples of this.

Promoting Obama's middle name of Hussein was NOT done by the candidate during his 2008 run. It was done with the very clear message by his opponents (both supporters of Hillary and Republicans) that Obama must be a Muslim who was only pretending to be a Christian. (And they were doing that with the intention of equating all Muslims as terrorists.)

Because someone used his 3 initials they are calling him a muslim? So if I drop the middle initial and just wrote 'BO' you'd probably accuse me of saying he stinks..

(07-11-2015 10:43 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Hey Cow and LH, ya'll mad bro?

Hardly.

(07-11-2015 08:10 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(07-11-2015 08:09 PM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote:  The use of middle initials and names of people from the Kennedys, Roosevelts, Rockefellers, Lees, etc. were/are used to stress their ties to large, elite families. Most times these were used by the person themselves. (In many cases it was necessary since there tended to be multiple people with the same first/last name combination when you include the large amount of cousins.) George HW Bush and George W Bush (and the up-and-coming George P Bush) are also prime examples of this.

Promoting Obama's middle name of Hussein was NOT done by the candidate during his 2008 run. It was done with the very clear message by his opponents (both supporters of Hillary and Republicans) that Obama must be a Muslim who was only pretending to be a Christian. (And they were doing that with the intention of equating all Muslims as terrorists.)

+1

Gentlemen: this is the very definition of deflection. First we're criticizing the use of initials, now we're making a connection to Muslim heritage... What exactly is our President's name? Now, if a candidate doesn't mention his full name in campaign advertising it's somehow morally wrong for anyone else to mention it. I get that you all are big fans of the current administration (you have that right), but let's not evade reality in your rebuttal. It's disturbing. interstingly enough I go by my middle name... Discuss.