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From what I understand about Kah, he is originally from Africa and was educated there up to a certain point. They supposedly have transcripts, but they can't even find some of the schools to verify them. I believe that is why he has spent so much time in JUCO as he has. Don't carve that in stone, I heard it second hand.

Matt Coleman not being on R8R's list doesn't mean he isn't still on ODU's -- unless he posts that what he wrote was something other than opinion. . . . With this new staff and with the success we are on the verge of having, I believe we are in a better position to recruit someone like Coleman than ever -- ever -- before.

While that list was just one guy's opinion, it is mine that Coleman should have been included in the list. Most people are too quick to take the "We are not worthy" stance just because some so called bigger name is recruiting a guy. I'm not saying that ODU is his favorite (I don't know), but ODU is being considered for more than just sentimental reasons.

Every indication is that ODU is putting together a very competitive team on a national level with or without Coleman. If he is as good as advertised then with him the sky would be the limit for ODU during his tenure. We are looking at having talented size and ACC caliber guards in the lineup as it stands. That is all that any team can hope for.

Not every kid prefers to be away from home.
Not every kid wants to be just another name at the so called big name school.
Some kids want to be where their family and friends can easily see them play.
Some kids would rather play with friends that they grew up playing ball with.
Who wouldn't relish being the home town hero (see Trey Freeman)?
Several ODU players have gone on to play in the NBA so no loss there either.
Jeff Jones and his staff have shown that they are a very talented group.

Only 1 team won the championship last season and while it wasn't ODU, it wasn't UNC, UVA, Memphis, or Texas either. If kids like Coleman select ODU then they could easily be better than any of those schools and could end up that way even without them (Butler and Witchita State come to mind for example).

For the ones named on that list we hope that they decide to come to ODU. We should have the same degree of hope that Coleman does too without acting like it is akin to winning the Power Ball Lottery as far as the odds go. Sure he has other nice options, but ODU is still a nice option too and that is what I feel is being overlooked.

(07-09-2015 09:33 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  While that list was just one guy's opinion, it is mine that Coleman should have been included in the list. Most people are too quick to take the "We are not worthy" stance just because some so called bigger name is recruiting a guy. I'm not saying that ODU is his favorite (I don't know), but ODU is being considered for more than just sentimental reasons.

Every indication is that ODU is putting together a very competitive team on a national level with or without Coleman. If he is as good as advertised then with him the sky would be the limit for ODU during his tenure. We are looking at having talented size and ACC caliber guards in the lineup as it stands. That is all that any team can hope for.

Not every kid prefers to be away from home.
Not every kid wants to be just another name at the so called big name school.
Some kids want to be where their family and friends can easily see them play.
Some kids would rather play with friends that they grew up playing ball with.
Who wouldn't relish being the home town hero (see Trey Freeman)?
Several ODU players have gone on to play in the NBA so no loss there either.
Jeff Jones and his staff have shown that they are a very talented group.

Only 1 team won the championship last season and while it wasn't ODU, it wasn't UNC, UVA, Memphis, or Texas either. If kids like Coleman select ODU then they could easily be better than any of those schools and could end up that way even without them (Butler and Witchita State come to mind for example).

For the ones named on that list we hope that they decide to come to ODU. We should have the same degree of hope that Coleman does too without acting like it is akin to winning the Power Ball Lottery as far as the odds go. Sure he has other nice options, but ODU is still a nice option too and that is what I feel is being overlooked.

Amen/ Right on the money.

It would be cool if they all decided collectively to come here like the fab five. Not holding my breath, but one can dream.

We are recruiting other players along with Matt Coleman. Matt is probably going to play in the McDonald's game before his time is up.

Some of the others we are recruiting are high level as well. And we have a fight on our hands for some of them.

I hate these lists, someone is going to be left off, or placed incorrectly.

(07-09-2015 11:27 AM)ODUR8R Wrote:  We are recruiting other players along with Matt Coleman. Matt is probably going to play in the McDonald's game before his time is up.

Some of the others we are recruiting are high level as well. And we have a fight on our hands for some of them.

well, duh

wouldn't want them if no one else was interested.

So what if MC plays in McDonald's. He's 4-5*, all the bigger schools already know of him. How's that hurt us?

(07-09-2015 12:02 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  I hate these lists, someone is going to be left off, or placed incorrectly.

It generated some discussion in an otherwise dead period.

I can expand to 50

Just get Xavier Green. Please.

(07-09-2015 12:17 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 11:27 AM)ODUR8R Wrote:  We are recruiting other players along with Matt Coleman. Matt is probably going to play in the McDonald's game before his time is up.

Some of the others we are recruiting are high level as well. And we have a fight on our hands for some of them.

well, duh

wouldn't want them if no one else was interested.

So what if MC plays in McDonald's. He's 4-5*, all the bigger schools already know of him. How's that hurt us?

History hurts us as I don't think we've ever had a McD's AA. there's always a first though. its just unlikely a kid good enough to be one would pick ODU (or similar) as his choice.

one problem ODU (and similar schools) has is that while someone like Coleman might love playing his home games in his back yard, he might like playing on ESPN every week, in primetime, in sold out arenas against other top college players, more. we can't offer that unfortunately. that is not to say we don't have a lot to offer, but we don't have that.

The schools that you refer to that play in sold out arenas, are on ESPN, etc. have those things because guys like him chose to go there. Clemson and Boston College are in the ACC along with Duke and UNC but you don't see the same degree of exposure at those schools because they haven't been as successful.

ODU most certainly CAN provide that same level of comfort if that is what a guy like Coleman is seeking. Those things have happened at Wichita State, Butler, and to some extent at VCU over the past few years. No reason that ODU can't be there too. If noting else, ODU's program has shown over the past couple of years along with it's recent recruiting that it is on a quick track going upward. It is like the comment in the movie Field Of Dreams ... If you build it they will come. ODU appears to be building it by it's recent recruiting success and wins on the basketball court. That will (hopefully) continue by its upcoming recruiting classes. If it all comes together as we hope then ODU will not only get back into the Top 25 again this season or next, but be a regular member of it. ESPN, sell out crowds, etc. will all be there too (at ODU).

(07-09-2015 01:00 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  The schools that you refer to that play in sold out arenas, are on ESPN, etc. have those things because guys like him chose to go there. Clemson and Boston College are in the ACC along with Duke and UNC but you don't see the same degree of exposure at those schools because they haven't been as successful.

ODU most certainly CAN provide that same level of comfort if that is what a guy like Coleman is seeking. Those things have happened at Wichita State, Butler, and to some extent at VCU over the past few years. No reason that ODU can't be there too. If noting else, ODU's program has shown over the past couple of years along with it's recent recruiting that it is on a quick track going upward. It is like the comment in the movie Field Of Dreams ... If you build it they will come. ODU appears to be building it by it's recent recruiting success and wins on the basketball court. That will (hopefully) continue by its upcoming recruiting classes. If it all comes together as we hope then ODU will not only get back into the Top 25 again this season or next, but be a regular member of it. ESPN, sell out crowds, etc. will all be there too (at ODU).

The common denomonator here is Cinderella runs. We desperately need one if we are to get to that level.

While the Final Four is a common denominator to Wichita State, Butler, and VCU (teams that I mentioned), I think that the real story is one of sustained results on the court over a period of 3 - 4 years along with some consistent level of NCAA Tournament success during that time. To me that can be simply making the Tournament and winning at least a game or two in each year.

GMU also went to the Final Four and was on top of the world, but was not able to sustain that with wins over the next 2-3 seasons. A team like Gonzaga on the other hand had some (less) success in the NCAA Tournament, but mainly they had year after year of Top 25 appearances along with wins on the court and NCAA appearances to get them the sustained national recognition that they have achieved.

ODUR8R:

Re: Washington

"Not sure if we are still on Washington as he's getting ACC offers."

So it's your opinion that once one of our recruits starts getting ACC offers, we let go?
What about Big East, SEC, A10?
Where do you "think" we draw the line as far as who we'll recruit against and who we won't?

(07-09-2015 01:24 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  While the Final Four is a common denominator to Wichita State, Butler, and VCU (teams that I mentioned), I think that the real story is one of sustained results on the court over a period of 3 - 4 years along with some consistent level of NCAA Tournament success during that time. To me that can be simply making the Tournament and winning at least a game or two in each year.

GMU also went to the Final Four and was on top of the world, but was not able to sustain that with wins over the next 2-3 seasons. A team like Gonzaga on the other hand had some (less) success in the NCAA Tournament, but mainly they had year after year of Top 25 appearances along with wins on the court and NCAA appearances to get them the sustained national recognition that they have achieved.

I'd be very happy to be Xavier

(07-09-2015 01:08 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 01:00 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  The schools that you refer to that play in sold out arenas, are on ESPN, etc. have those things because guys like him chose to go there. Clemson and Boston College are in the ACC along with Duke and UNC but you don't see the same degree of exposure at those schools because they haven't been as successful.

ODU most certainly CAN provide that same level of comfort if that is what a guy like Coleman is seeking. Those things have happened at Wichita State, Butler, and to some extent at VCU over the past few years. No reason that ODU can't be there too. If noting else, ODU's program has shown over the past couple of years along with it's recent recruiting that it is on a quick track going upward. It is like the comment in the movie Field Of Dreams ... If you build it they will come. ODU appears to be building it by it's recent recruiting success and wins on the basketball court. That will (hopefully) continue by its upcoming recruiting classes. If it all comes together as we hope then ODU will not only get back into the Top 25 again this season or next, but be a regular member of it. ESPN, sell out crowds, etc. will all be there too (at ODU).

The common denomonator here is Cinderella runs. We desperately need one if we are to get to that level.

We could definitely use a Sweet 16 run (or deeper.) Not only would that transform the realm of what we fans, and what outsiders see as possible for ODU bball, it should also serve to motivate some of our conference-mates to step it up a notch, or several.

(07-09-2015 01:24 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  While the Final Four is a common denominator to Wichita State, Butler, and VCU (teams that I mentioned), I think that the real story is one of sustained results on the court over a period of 3 - 4 years along with some consistent level of NCAA Tournament success during that time. To me that can be simply making the Tournament and winning at least a game or two in each year.

GMU also went to the Final Four and was on top of the world, but was not able to sustain that with wins over the next 2-3 seasons. A team like Gonzaga on the other hand had some (less) success in the NCAA Tournament, but mainly they had year after year of Top 25 appearances along with wins on the court and NCAA appearances to get them the sustained national recognition that they have achieved.

Final 4 run isn't necessary (even Gonzaga doesn't have that), but we have to get to the second week, IMO, to build that kind of sustainable recruiting success. But yes, unlike George Mason, we also have to capitalize on it as well.

JS...you seem angry.

Richard Washington Jr takes Danny Mannings phone call on a weekly basis during contact periods.

He seems to be leaning towards ACC or VCU from what I've gathered.

(07-09-2015 01:45 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  JS...you seem angry.

Richard Washington Jr takes Danny Mannings phone call on a weekly basis during contact periods.

He seems to be leaning towards ACC or VCU from what I've gathered.

Not angry at all. A lot of people say a lot of things on here that they really have little or no idea about. Not passing myself off as an expert by any means, just trying to separate fact from opinion

To your question, no. We should continue to recruit.

We are going to be the first to offer many of these kids because they are from here.

Washington specifically had shown interest towards Wake, that's why I speculated he could be out of play. Manning is a pretty skilled coach and recruiter.