(07-07-2015 04:17 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 04:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 04:00 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 10:30 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 09:06 AM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  Kansas and their basketball history were on track to be one of the Forgotten Four before the Big 12 was saved this last time. There is no guarantee that they will get picked up should OU or Texas leave. They could easily find themselves in UConn's position.

They were on their way to the Pac 16 when A&M said they weren't going.

If they can't separate from Kansas St now, what makes you think they could have then? Kansas, Kansas St., Iowa St and Baylor were merging with the Big East or part of it under the Big 12 name when the Texoma group was planning to go to the PAC. Oliver Luck said as much in an article with ESPN a year ago.

Oliver Luck wasn't in the Big 12 then. Scott was in the process of flying to Lawrence, Kansas when Texas decided not to go.

Right. The Pac-10 presidents authorized Scott in advance to invite KU in the event that A&M said no and everyone else said yes, and to invite Utah as the 16th if KU couldn't break away from KSU.

I don't doubt you or bullet on this point, but can you provide a link to a quote that backs this up? Or is it just "a known thing" with no evidence?

(07-08-2015 09:03 AM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 04:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 04:00 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 10:30 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 09:06 AM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  Kansas and their basketball history were on track to be one of the Forgotten Four before the Big 12 was saved this last time. There is no guarantee that they will get picked up should OU or Texas leave. They could easily find themselves in UConn's position.

They were on their way to the Pac 16 when A&M said they weren't going.

If they can't separate from Kansas St now, what makes you think they could have then? Kansas, Kansas St., Iowa St and Baylor were merging with the Big East or part of it under the Big 12 name when the Texoma group was planning to go to the PAC. Oliver Luck said as much in an article with ESPN a year ago.

Oliver Luck wasn't in the Big 12 then. Scott was in the process of flying to Lawrence, Kansas when Texas decided not to go.

You're right he wasn't. He was in the Big East which is why he is aware of the conversations the Forgotten Four and the Big East football schools were having. Even if Kansas was offered, it still doesn't mean they would have gone because everyone assumes they have to stay with KSU. The rumored new Big 12 would have been:

West: Baylor, Kansas, Kansas St., Iowa St., TCU, Louisville
East: West Virginia, Cincinnati, Rutgers, UConn, USF, UCF

To your original reply to my post (which was dropped from the quote history above):

I agree that there is no guarantee that KU and KSU would get a PAC invite.


I just thought it would work "nice" because Kansas shares a border with Colorado, though as far as I know their main rival was Nebraska rather than Kansas.


The PAC could well take four Texas schools, I suppose. I don't think Texas will go with them, though. I think they would prefer the same deal that Notre Dame gets with the ACC and thus being allowed to keep the LHN going at least for Texas football (with ACC Networking perhaps getting a few Texas away games an getting first rights to Texas basketball games).

So then you'd think they'd invite Baylor, TCU, Tech and ... Houston? SMU? Rice? Not sure which of the three former SWC members would be able to pull off more clout, given politics, academic prestige, research, stadium size, budget, etc.

(07-08-2015 10:43 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 09:03 AM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 04:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 04:00 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 10:30 AM)bullet Wrote:  They were on their way to the Pac 16 when A&M said they weren't going.

If they can't separate from Kansas St now, what makes you think they could have then? Kansas, Kansas St., Iowa St and Baylor were merging with the Big East or part of it under the Big 12 name when the Texoma group was planning to go to the PAC. Oliver Luck said as much in an article with ESPN a year ago.

Oliver Luck wasn't in the Big 12 then. Scott was in the process of flying to Lawrence, Kansas when Texas decided not to go.

You're right he wasn't. He was in the Big East which is why he is aware of the conversations the Forgotten Four and the Big East football schools were having. Even if Kansas was offered, it still doesn't mean they would have gone because everyone assumes they have to stay with KSU. The rumored new Big 12 would have been:

West: Baylor, Kansas, Kansas St., Iowa St., TCU, Louisville
East: West Virginia, Cincinnati, Rutgers, UConn, USF, UCF

No. Revisionist history and you're incorrect. The big 12 had a clause that if 6 schools left together, the conference would end. So Nebraska signs with Big 10 in summer of 2010 and the 3 Texas and 2 Oklahoma schools leave with Colorado, the remaining 5 big 12 schools were powerless. Those 5 couldn't back fill with big east schools. That was on purpose to avoid paying fees to the debris left over after the Pac 16 bomb dropped. A&M backed out of the PAC 16 proposal at the last second, thus saving those 5 from having to join the big east. Lets tell it true. Cheers!

Regardless which of you is technically correct, it would either have been the XII or the Big East with the above teams. That much I'm certain is correct.

And that conference would have had an auto-bid to the BCS bowls.


I wonder how that would have affected the CFP negotiations. Would the XII/BE have an auto-bid to the CFP, or would they have been lumped in with the G5?



I have a question: if Baylor had powerful people in high places that forced an invitation to the original XII (when it was being formed), why was it the case that Tech was going to go with UT and TAMU to the PAC, but Baylor was not invited this time?

(07-08-2015 11:01 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 09:03 AM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 04:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 04:00 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 10:30 AM)bullet Wrote:  They were on their way to the Pac 16 when A&M said they weren't going.

If they can't separate from Kansas St now, what makes you think they could have then? Kansas, Kansas St., Iowa St and Baylor were merging with the Big East or part of it under the Big 12 name when the Texoma group was planning to go to the PAC. Oliver Luck said as much in an article with ESPN a year ago.

Oliver Luck wasn't in the Big 12 then. Scott was in the process of flying to Lawrence, Kansas when Texas decided not to go.

You're right he wasn't. He was in the Big East which is why he is aware of the conversations the Forgotten Four and the Big East football schools were having. Even if Kansas was offered, it still doesn't mean they would have gone because everyone assumes they have to stay with KSU. The rumored new Big 12 would have been:

West: Baylor, Kansas, Kansas St., Iowa St., TCU, Louisville
East: West Virginia, Cincinnati, Rutgers, UConn, USF, UCF

To your original reply to my post (which was dropped from the quote history above):

I agree that there is no guarantee that KU and KSU would get a PAC invite.


I just thought it would work "nice" because Kansas shares a border with Colorado, though as far as I know their main rival was Nebraska rather than Kansas.


The PAC could well take four Texas schools, I suppose. I don't think Texas will go with them, though. I think they would prefer the same deal that Notre Dame gets with the ACC and thus being allowed to keep the LHN going at least for Texas football (with ACC Networking perhaps getting a few Texas away games an getting first rights to Texas basketball games).

Kansas St was never never in the mix for the PAC and its rumored that Scott was somewhat interested in KU but that was a long shot from ever happening. Scott admitted Boise St was a PAC expansion contender once. So what? That would never happen. Cheers!

(07-08-2015 11:04 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 10:43 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 09:03 AM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 04:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 04:00 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  If they can't separate from Kansas St now, what makes you think they could have then? Kansas, Kansas St., Iowa St and Baylor were merging with the Big East or part of it under the Big 12 name when the Texoma group was planning to go to the PAC. Oliver Luck said as much in an article with ESPN a year ago.

Oliver Luck wasn't in the Big 12 then. Scott was in the process of flying to Lawrence, Kansas when Texas decided not to go.

You're right he wasn't. He was in the Big East which is why he is aware of the conversations the Forgotten Four and the Big East football schools were having. Even if Kansas was offered, it still doesn't mean they would have gone because everyone assumes they have to stay with KSU. The rumored new Big 12 would have been:

West: Baylor, Kansas, Kansas St., Iowa St., TCU, Louisville
East: West Virginia, Cincinnati, Rutgers, UConn, USF, UCF

No. Revisionist history and you're incorrect. The big 12 had a clause that if 6 schools left together, the conference would end. So Nebraska signs with Big 10 in summer of 2010 and the 3 Texas and 2 Oklahoma schools leave with Colorado, the remaining 5 big 12 schools were powerless. Those 5 couldn't back fill with big east schools. That was on purpose to avoid paying fees to the debris left over after the Pac 16 bomb dropped. A&M backed out of the PAC 16 proposal at the last second, thus saving those 5 from having to join the big east. Lets tell it true. Cheers!

Regardless which of you is technically correct, it would either have been the XII or the Big East with the above teams. That much I'm certain is correct.

And that conference would have had an auto-bid to the BCS bowls.


Would've been interesting to see what would've happened when the CFP was being negotiated then. Would the XII or BE have an auto-bid to the CFP? Or would they have been lumped in with the G5?



I have a question: if Baylor had powerful people in high places that forced an invitation to the original XII (when it was being formed), why was it the case that Tech was going to go with UT and TAMU to the PAC, but Baylor was not invited this time?

At that point Baylor had never had a winning record in the Big 12...they were not only bad, they were really bad and werent investing in their program. the Dave Bliss basketball debacle, the outdated foitball stadium, the terrible fan support. Remember, in the summer of 2010 Baylor was BAD. But Baylor people went nuts when the PAC 16 was on the verge of happening. Law suits were threatened, they promised to start investing major $, and they did. The huge donation to make a great new stadium, RG3 and Art Briles... what a difference in a short period of time...cheers!

(07-08-2015 11:04 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 11:01 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 09:03 AM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 04:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 04:00 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  If they can't separate from Kansas St now, what makes you think they could have then? Kansas, Kansas St., Iowa St and Baylor were merging with the Big East or part of it under the Big 12 name when the Texoma group was planning to go to the PAC. Oliver Luck said as much in an article with ESPN a year ago.

Oliver Luck wasn't in the Big 12 then. Scott was in the process of flying to Lawrence, Kansas when Texas decided not to go.

You're right he wasn't. He was in the Big East which is why he is aware of the conversations the Forgotten Four and the Big East football schools were having. Even if Kansas was offered, it still doesn't mean they would have gone because everyone assumes they have to stay with KSU. The rumored new Big 12 would have been:

West: Baylor, Kansas, Kansas St., Iowa St., TCU, Louisville
East: West Virginia, Cincinnati, Rutgers, UConn, USF, UCF

To your original reply to my post (which was dropped from the quote history above):

I agree that there is no guarantee that KU and KSU would get a PAC invite.


I just thought it would work "nice" because Kansas shares a border with Colorado, though as far as I know their main rival was Nebraska rather than Kansas.


The PAC could well take four Texas schools, I suppose. I don't think Texas will go with them, though. I think they would prefer the same deal that Notre Dame gets with the ACC and thus being allowed to keep the LHN going at least for Texas football (with ACC Networking perhaps getting a few Texas away games an getting first rights to Texas basketball games).

Kansas St was never never in the mix for the PAC and its rumored that Scott was somewhat interested in KU but that was a long shot from ever happening. Scott admitted Boise St was a PAC expansion contender once. So what? That would never happen. Cheers!

I would believe that KSU was never a PAC target back in the PAC-16 expansion days, and I could believe that KU was never formally a target.

I'm just saying that taking both of them now, which would probably be required to get one of them since it would leave the other in peril, might fit geographically with Colorado.

(07-08-2015 11:11 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 11:04 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 10:43 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 09:03 AM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 04:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  Oliver Luck wasn't in the Big 12 then. Scott was in the process of flying to Lawrence, Kansas when Texas decided not to go.

You're right he wasn't. He was in the Big East which is why he is aware of the conversations the Forgotten Four and the Big East football schools were having. Even if Kansas was offered, it still doesn't mean they would have gone because everyone assumes they have to stay with KSU. The rumored new Big 12 would have been:

West: Baylor, Kansas, Kansas St., Iowa St., TCU, Louisville
East: West Virginia, Cincinnati, Rutgers, UConn, USF, UCF

No. Revisionist history and you're incorrect. The big 12 had a clause that if 6 schools left together, the conference would end. So Nebraska signs with Big 10 in summer of 2010 and the 3 Texas and 2 Oklahoma schools leave with Colorado, the remaining 5 big 12 schools were powerless. Those 5 couldn't back fill with big east schools. That was on purpose to avoid paying fees to the debris left over after the Pac 16 bomb dropped. A&M backed out of the PAC 16 proposal at the last second, thus saving those 5 from having to join the big east. Lets tell it true. Cheers!

Regardless which of you is technically correct, it would either have been the XII or the Big East with the above teams. That much I'm certain is correct.

And that conference would have had an auto-bid to the BCS bowls.


Would've been interesting to see what would've happened when the CFP was being negotiated then. Would the XII or BE have an auto-bid to the CFP? Or would they have been lumped in with the G5?



I have a question: if Baylor had powerful people in high places that forced an invitation to the original XII (when it was being formed), why was it the case that Tech was going to go with UT and TAMU to the PAC, but Baylor was not invited this time?

At that point Baylor had never had a winning record in the Big 12...they were not only bad, they were really bad and werent investing in their program. the Dave Bliss basketball debacle, the outdated foitball stadium, the terrible fan support. Remember, in the summer of 2010 Baylor was BAD. But Baylor people went nuts when the PAC 16 was on the verge of happening. Law suits were threatened, they promised to start investing major $, and they did. The huge donation to make a great new stadium, RG3 and Art Briles... what a difference in a short period of time...cheers!

Fair enough.

Yes indeed. An incredible, probably unimaginable difference. Baylor really could lay claim to being the best college football team in Texas, have a great coach and a brand new stadium coming online. Not sure how their practice/support facilities are going, but if they keep winning like this I'm sure they'll get upgraded to match what everyone else has.

Of the seven SWC Texas schools that are outside the SEC/ACC/PAC/B1G, I'd say Baylor is #2 on the list of most likely to land within the power structure should the XII dissolve (Texas being #1).

(07-08-2015 10:58 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 04:17 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 04:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 04:00 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 10:30 AM)bullet Wrote:  They were on their way to the Pac 16 when A&M said they weren't going.

If they can't separate from Kansas St now, what makes you think they could have then? Kansas, Kansas St., Iowa St and Baylor were merging with the Big East or part of it under the Big 12 name when the Texoma group was planning to go to the PAC. Oliver Luck said as much in an article with ESPN a year ago.

Oliver Luck wasn't in the Big 12 then. Scott was in the process of flying to Lawrence, Kansas when Texas decided not to go.

Right. The Pac-10 presidents authorized Scott in advance to invite KU in the event that A&M said no and everyone else said yes, and to invite Utah as the 16th if KU couldn't break away from KSU.

I don't doubt you or bullet on this point, but can you provide a link to a quote that backs this up? Or is it just "a known thing" with no evidence?

It's not all in one place. Here are a couple of KU mentions.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegespor...8593750000

http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregoni...ac-10.html

(07-08-2015 05:03 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 10:58 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 04:17 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 04:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 04:00 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  If they can't separate from Kansas St now, what makes you think they could have then? Kansas, Kansas St., Iowa St and Baylor were merging with the Big East or part of it under the Big 12 name when the Texoma group was planning to go to the PAC. Oliver Luck said as much in an article with ESPN a year ago.

Oliver Luck wasn't in the Big 12 then. Scott was in the process of flying to Lawrence, Kansas when Texas decided not to go.

Right. The Pac-10 presidents authorized Scott in advance to invite KU in the event that A&M said no and everyone else said yes, and to invite Utah as the 16th if KU couldn't break away from KSU.

I don't doubt you or bullet on this point, but can you provide a link to a quote that backs this up? Or is it just "a known thing" with no evidence?

It's not all in one place. Here are a couple of KU mentions.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegespor...8593750000

http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregoni...ac-10.html

Thank you for the links. I was looking for quotes (ie, going on the record) from someone like Scott or a PAC president saying "Kansas has been authorized for an invitation if ..."

But anyway, I trust that it was true and just was never officially public.

(07-08-2015 05:17 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 05:03 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 10:58 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 04:17 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 04:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  Oliver Luck wasn't in the Big 12 then. Scott was in the process of flying to Lawrence, Kansas when Texas decided not to go.

Right. The Pac-10 presidents authorized Scott in advance to invite KU in the event that A&M said no and everyone else said yes, and to invite Utah as the 16th if KU couldn't break away from KSU.

I don't doubt you or bullet on this point, but can you provide a link to a quote that backs this up? Or is it just "a known thing" with no evidence?

It's not all in one place. Here are a couple of KU mentions.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegespor...8593750000

http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregoni...ac-10.html

Thank you for the links. I was looking for quotes (ie, going on the record) from someone like Scott or a PAC president saying "Kansas has been authorized for an invitation if ..."

But anyway, I trust that it was true and just was never officially public.

Yeah, if you're looking for written meeting minutes or a revealing on-the-record tell-all interview, especially about schools that ultimately didn't move, you're going to be very disappointed on this conference realignment stuff.

(07-08-2015 05:43 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 05:17 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 05:03 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 10:58 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 04:17 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Right. The Pac-10 presidents authorized Scott in advance to invite KU in the event that A&M said no and everyone else said yes, and to invite Utah as the 16th if KU couldn't break away from KSU.

I don't doubt you or bullet on this point, but can you provide a link to a quote that backs this up? Or is it just "a known thing" with no evidence?

It's not all in one place. Here are a couple of KU mentions.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegespor...8593750000

http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregoni...ac-10.html

Thank you for the links. I was looking for quotes (ie, going on the record) from someone like Scott or a PAC president saying "Kansas has been authorized for an invitation if ..."

But anyway, I trust that it was true and just was never officially public.

Yeah, if you're looking for written meeting minutes or a revealing on-the-record tell-all interview, especially about schools that ultimately didn't move, you're going to be very disappointed on this conference realignment stuff.

If you looked hard enough you could probably find links where people were tracking his plane that day.

(07-08-2015 06:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 05:43 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 05:17 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 05:03 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 10:58 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I don't doubt you or bullet on this point, but can you provide a link to a quote that backs this up? Or is it just "a known thing" with no evidence?

It's not all in one place. Here are a couple of KU mentions.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegespor...8593750000

http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregoni...ac-10.html

Thank you for the links. I was looking for quotes (ie, going on the record) from someone like Scott or a PAC president saying "Kansas has been authorized for an invitation if ..."

But anyway, I trust that it was true and just was never officially public.

Yeah, if you're looking for written meeting minutes or a revealing on-the-record tell-all interview, especially about schools that ultimately didn't move, you're going to be very disappointed on this conference realignment stuff.

If you looked hard enough you could probably find links where people were tracking his plane that day.

Oh, that's right. The plane-tracker threads on message boards were entertaining.

(07-08-2015 07:13 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 06:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 05:43 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 05:17 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 05:03 PM)Wedge Wrote:  It's not all in one place. Here are a couple of KU mentions.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegespor...8593750000

http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregoni...ac-10.html

Thank you for the links. I was looking for quotes (ie, going on the record) from someone like Scott or a PAC president saying "Kansas has been authorized for an invitation if ..."

But anyway, I trust that it was true and just was never officially public.

Yeah, if you're looking for written meeting minutes or a revealing on-the-record tell-all interview, especially about schools that ultimately didn't move, you're going to be very disappointed on this conference realignment stuff.

If you looked hard enough you could probably find links where people were tracking his plane that day.

Oh, that's right. The plane-tracker threads on message boards were entertaining.

They have been doing that rather recently by tracking flights from cities like Norman and Stillwater.

(07-08-2015 11:01 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 09:03 AM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 04:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 04:00 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 10:30 AM)bullet Wrote:  They were on their way to the Pac 16 when A&M said they weren't going.

If they can't separate from Kansas St now, what makes you think they could have then? Kansas, Kansas St., Iowa St and Baylor were merging with the Big East or part of it under the Big 12 name when the Texoma group was planning to go to the PAC. Oliver Luck said as much in an article with ESPN a year ago.

Oliver Luck wasn't in the Big 12 then. Scott was in the process of flying to Lawrence, Kansas when Texas decided not to go.

You're right he wasn't. He was in the Big East which is why he is aware of the conversations the Forgotten Four and the Big East football schools were having. Even if Kansas was offered, it still doesn't mean they would have gone because everyone assumes they have to stay with KSU. The rumored new Big 12 would have been:

West: Baylor, Kansas, Kansas St., Iowa St., TCU, Louisville
East: West Virginia, Cincinnati, Rutgers, UConn, USF, UCF

To your original reply to my post (which was dropped from the quote history above):

I agree that there is no guarantee that KU and KSU would get a PAC invite.


I just thought it would work "nice" because Kansas shares a border with Colorado, though as far as I know their main rival was Nebraska rather than Kansas.


The PAC could well take four Texas schools, I suppose. I don't think Texas will go with them, though. I think they would prefer the same deal that Notre Dame gets with the ACC and thus being allowed to keep the LHN going at least for Texas football (with ACC Networking perhaps getting a few Texas away games an getting first rights to Texas basketball games).

So then you'd think they'd invite Baylor, TCU, Tech and ... Houston? SMU? Rice? Not sure which of the three former SWC members would be able to pull off more clout, given politics, academic prestige, research, stadium size, budget, etc.

PAC 12 right now have an issue that most of their schools are in Pro cities.
Los Angeles
San Francisco/Oakland area
Phoenix
Denver
Salt Lake City with Utah Jazz
Seattle

TCU is neither a very high or High Research schools. They are out.
Now, there would be a question about Baylor, Houston, SMU, Rice and North Texas for football.
Houston and Rice would be competing against the Texans.
SMU, North Texas and TCU would be competing against the Cowboys.

Baylor is a High Research. They might get in.
UTSA, Texas State, UTEP and West Texas A&M are High Research schools. They would not be competing against a pro team. You could get 2 of them and add New Mexico and Colorado State for 2 Very High Research schools. Colorado State would help Colorado out, and those 2 would be reunited in the same conference in a long time. New Mexico would bring the Santa Fe/Albuquerque market.

For what it's worth (and I won't be drawn into a debate on this):

there is a medical research university that shares the same name as Baylor and does quite a bit of Life Sciences research. Ranked #37 overall, in FY13.

Baylor itself is quite low in research, not significantly better than TCU.

TCU is starting a medical school. First class begins in 2018. However, I think that mean very little about what conference TCU will or will not be in after the GOR expires in 2024. Being a valuable athletic department will.

(07-09-2015 07:55 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  For what it's worth (and I won't be drawn into a debate on this):

there is a medical research university that shares the same name as Baylor and does quite a bit of Life Sciences research. Ranked #37 overall, in FY13.

Baylor itself is quite low in research, not significantly better than TCU.

Correct, the Baylor College of Medicine was split from Baylor University in 1969. However, as recently as 2010 Baylor University has met with BCM about merging the two back together.

(07-07-2015 04:00 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 10:30 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 09:06 AM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 08:46 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 05:52 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  This geography?

- Small state shared with another P5 school.
- Not very good recruiting.
- Big Ten officials have already said additions don't need to share a Big Ten border so Kansas isn't necessary if the Big Ten wants Oklahoma or anyone else.

I'm not the one saying Kansas is going to the B1G. I'm saying the PAC will take them and KSU and market that as a "border rivalry" with Colorado, in addition to taking two Texas schools to complete the Central Timezone expansion.

UConn is not a fit for the B1G in research, which will be a higher priority this time.

The ACC is your only P5 option, because of ... yes, geography.

Kansas and their basketball history were on track to be one of the Forgotten Four before the Big 12 was saved this last time. There is no guarantee that they will get picked up should OU or Texas leave. They could easily find themselves in UConn's position.

They were on their way to the Pac 16 when A&M said they weren't going.

If they can't separate from Kansas St now, what makes you think they could have then? Kansas, Kansas St., Iowa St and Baylor were merging with the Big East or part of it under the Big 12 name when the Texoma group was planning to go to the PAC. Oliver Luck said as much in an article with ESPN a year ago.

Right. At that point in 2010 the Big East still had Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, WVU, Louisville, Cincinnati, USF and UConn plus TCU was coming aboard. Then you had those 4. The idea was to merge the 13 under the Big 12 banner and presumably add a 14th to even things out. I'd imagine BYU, Boise, UCF, Memphis, ECU, Temple were all under consideration for that last spot.

(07-09-2015 07:55 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  For what it's worth (and I won't be drawn into a debate on this):

there is a medical research university that shares the same name as Baylor and does quite a bit of Life Sciences research. Ranked #37 overall, in FY13.

Baylor itself is quite low in research, not significantly better than TCU.

Baylor College of Medicine in Houston and Baylor University are not affiliated and haven't been for decades.

(07-09-2015 10:01 AM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 07:55 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  For what it's worth (and I won't be drawn into a debate on this):

there is a medical research university that shares the same name as Baylor and does quite a bit of Life Sciences research. Ranked #37 overall, in FY13.

Baylor itself is quite low in research, not significantly better than TCU.

Correct, the Baylor College of Medicine was split from Baylor University in 1969. However, as recently as 2010 Baylor University has met with BCM about merging the two back together.

In response to an effort by Rice to merge with them. Both efforts died out.