(07-03-2015 06:18 PM)GoHouston Wrote:  It was only a few short years ago that the discussion was whether the Big East had any chance of surviving as a power conference and who it had to add in order to protect the future of its members. The parallels between the Big East and Big 12 have been discussed here many times before, like the infighting about expansion and a public perception of fading strength having an impact on stability....

...Iowa State offers little success on the football field, but did manage to win the Big 12 tournament title in basketball last season. On top of that, the Cyclones have the third best football attendance in the Big 12 - which says a lot about the state of Big 12 football.

Really? With Texas, OU, OSU & Tech... That's hard to believe !


http://www.bcsnn.com/big-xii/777-big-12-...-asap.html

Iowa State attendance is 7th best in the Big 12 behind, in order, UT, OU, TT, WVU, OSU and KSU.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...n/24891415

and

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_r...e/2014.pdf (see pg 7)

(07-05-2015 11:02 AM)FreshPrinceOfDarkness Wrote:  Iowa State attendance is 7th best in the Big 12 behind, in order, UT, OU, TT, WVU, OSU and KSU.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...n/24891415

and

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_r...e/2014.pdf (see pg 7)

Over the last 5 years, BYU would have the 3rd best attendance in the Big 12, behind Texas and Oklahoma - a bit ahead of Texas Tech and well above West Virginia, Oklahoma St., and Kansas St. (like 7-10K more per game)...

SMU would never go MWC. We had done the west and it is truly a non event out there - its a great place to go to be totally irrelevant THere is only one reason to go west and it is the PAC

http://newsok.com/which-combination-of-s...um=twitter

TCU acted like a big-time program. It won the Rose Bowl, then set about the business of proving it belonged. It raised the money and broke the ground and built the stadium, without any promises from a major conference. When the opportunity arose, TCU was ready, and it had the remade Amon Carter for the Frogs’ first year in the Big 12.

That’s what Cincinnati and Boise State and the Florida schools and East Carolina need to do. Don’t tell us what you would bring to the table in the Big 12. Tell us what you’re bringing to the table now in college football. - Berry Tramel NewsOK

(07-03-2015 05:04 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(07-03-2015 03:05 PM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 12:51 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Agree^^

TCU and Baylor are not coming out against Texas because Texas is trying to help them find a landing spot for after the Big12 implosion when Texoma 4 bolt.

You mean like they did when they imploded the SWC?

Make no mistake - Texas doesn't give a damn about anything other than themselves. Anyone who thinks otherwise does so at their peril.

True...but what if Texas is 'making in' with TCU and Baylor so as to keep them in the "no to expansion" voting group.

Wouldn't surprise me one bit, Bearcats#1

Politically, the state of Texas isn't the same anymore... OU and Kansas leaving the big12 probably not what TCU baylor and tt would want now.

(07-06-2015 11:00 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  http://newsok.com/which-combination-of-s...um=twitter

TCU acted like a big-time program. It won the Rose Bowl, then set about the business of proving it belonged. It raised the money and broke the ground and built the stadium, without any promises from a major conference. When the opportunity arose, TCU was ready, and it had the remade Amon Carter for the Frogs’ first year in the Big 12.

That’s what Cincinnati and Boise State and the Florida schools and East Carolina need to do. Don’t tell us what you would bring to the table in the Big 12. Tell us what you’re bringing to the table now in college football. - Berry Tramel NewsOK

UCF has won the same amount of bcs bowls as tcu and also has a stadium capacity slightly larger than tcu's.

(07-06-2015 11:00 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  http://newsok.com/which-combination-of-s...um=twitter

TCU acted like a big-time program. It won the Rose Bowl, then set about the business of proving it belonged. It raised the money and broke the ground and built the stadium, without any promises from a major conference. When the opportunity arose, TCU was ready, and it had the remade Amon Carter for the Frogs’ first year in the Big 12.

That’s what Cincinnati and Boise State and the Florida schools and East Carolina need to do. Don’t tell us what you would bring to the table in the Big 12. Tell us what you’re bringing to the table now in college football. - Berry Tramel NewsOK

When is Tramel going to tell Wake Forest, Duke, Purdue, Indiana, Purdue, Rutgers, Maryland, Vanderbilt, Iowa State, Kansas, Texas Tech, Oregon State, Washington State, Cal, etc. to start acting like "Big Time Programs"?

(07-06-2015 11:00 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  http://newsok.com/which-combination-of-s...um=twitter

TCU acted like a big-time program.

That’s what Cincinnati and Boise State and the Florida schools and East Carolina need to do. Don’t tell us what you would bring to the table in the Big 12. Tell us what you’re bringing to the table now in college football. - Berry Tramel NewsOK

Tramel is an idiot. UCF has an almost new on campus stadium that is being renovated as we speak, and has won the fiesta bowl. ECU has a real nice, good sized On campus stadium. Cincy is just finishing a major upgrade. UCF also has built a 10k on campus BB arena. He needs to open his eyes and shut his trap.

(07-06-2015 11:56 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 11:00 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  http://newsok.com/which-combination-of-s...um=twitter

TCU acted like a big-time program. It won the Rose Bowl, then set about the business of proving it belonged. It raised the money and broke the ground and built the stadium, without any promises from a major conference. When the opportunity arose, TCU was ready, and it had the remade Amon Carter for the Frogs’ first year in the Big 12.

That’s what Cincinnati and Boise State and the Florida schools and East Carolina need to do. Don’t tell us what you would bring to the table in the Big 12. Tell us what you’re bringing to the table now in college football. - Berry Tramel NewsOK

UCF has won the same amount of bcs bowls as tcu and also has a stadium capacity slightly larger than tcu's.

^^^^^^^???? Jared, you haven't been to TCU's stadium (Amon G Carter) I'm assuming, otherwise you wouldn't have said something so ridiculous. It's bigger than UCF's, legendary, and the renovations alone cost TCU double than the total cost of BHN stadium, keep in mind it's cheaper to build in Ft Worth in than in Orlando so had the renovations been in Orlando they would have been 300 million, not under $175 million TCU paid a few years back...Homer posts like that don't do you any favors if you want credibility. Also, comparing TCU and UCF in BCS wins...TCU has had a phenomenal past 15 or so years (UCF's FBS existence) that are so far above what UCF has done. Rose and Peach bowl victories, sun Bowl victories, Fiesta bowl appearances--still talking about the past 15 or so years, I'm not even going to get into their historic place in college football history. Davey O Brian, Cotton Bowls in the old SWC etc. study up or go to some more games across the country...

(07-07-2015 09:02 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 11:56 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 11:00 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  http://newsok.com/which-combination-of-s...um=twitter

TCU acted like a big-time program. It won the Rose Bowl, then set about the business of proving it belonged. It raised the money and broke the ground and built the stadium, without any promises from a major conference. When the opportunity arose, TCU was ready, and it had the remade Amon Carter for the Frogs’ first year in the Big 12.

That’s what Cincinnati and Boise State and the Florida schools and East Carolina need to do. Don’t tell us what you would bring to the table in the Big 12. Tell us what you’re bringing to the table now in college football. - Berry Tramel NewsOK

UCF has won the same amount of bcs bowls as tcu and also has a stadium capacity slightly larger than tcu's.

^^^^^^^???? Jared, you haven't been to TCU's stadium (Amon G Carter) I'm assuming, otherwise you wouldn't have said something so ridiculous. It's bigger than UCF's, legendary, and the renovations alone cost TCU double than the total cost of BHN stadium, keep in mind it's cheaper to build in Ft Worth in than in Orlando so had the renovations been in Orlando they would have been 300 million, not under $175 million TCU paid a few years back...Homer posts like that don't do you any favors if you want credibility. Also, comparing TCU and UCF in BCS wins...TCU has had a phenomenal past 15 or so years (UCF's FBS existence) that are so far above what UCF has done. Rose and Peach bowl victories, sun Bowl victories, Fiesta bowl appearances--still talking about the past 15 or so years, I'm not even going to get into their historic place in college football history. Davey O Brian, Cotton Bowls in the old SWC etc. study up or go to some more games across the country...

Good informative post.

(07-07-2015 09:02 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 11:56 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 11:00 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  http://newsok.com/which-combination-of-s...um=twitter

TCU acted like a big-time program. It won the Rose Bowl, then set about the business of proving it belonged. It raised the money and broke the ground and built the stadium, without any promises from a major conference. When the opportunity arose, TCU was ready, and it had the remade Amon Carter for the Frogs’ first year in the Big 12.

That’s what Cincinnati and Boise State and the Florida schools and East Carolina need to do. Don’t tell us what you would bring to the table in the Big 12. Tell us what you’re bringing to the table now in college football. - Berry Tramel NewsOK

UCF has won the same amount of bcs bowls as tcu and also has a stadium capacity slightly larger than tcu's.

^^^^^^^???? Jared, you haven't been to TCU's stadium (Amon G Carter) I'm assuming, otherwise you wouldn't have said something so ridiculous. It's bigger than UCF's, legendary, and the renovations alone cost TCU double than the total cost of BHN stadium, keep in mind it's cheaper to build in Ft Worth in than in Orlando so had the renovations been in Orlando they would have been 300 million, not under $175 million TCU paid a few years back...Homer posts like that don't do you any favors if you want credibility. Also, comparing TCU and UCF in BCS wins...TCU has had a phenomenal past 15 or so years (UCF's FBS existence) that are so far above what UCF has done. Rose and Peach bowl victories, sun Bowl victories, Fiesta bowl appearances--still talking about the past 15 or so years, I'm not even going to get into their historic place in college football history. Davey O Brian, Cotton Bowls in the old SWC etc. study up or go to some more games across the country...

I didn't make the original comment and wouldn't argue with most of what you said, but at least according to Wikipedia he is technically correct on the size (as defined by capacity).

Brighthouse Networks Stadium capacity: 45,323
Amon G. Carter Stadium: 45,000

The last renovation of Amon G. Carter took capacity down from 55k to 45k, but added luxury suites and increased individual chair type seats. That's the trend in CFB... Outright capacity is being decreased in favor of amenities.

(07-07-2015 10:29 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  The last renovation of Amon G. Carter took capacity down from 55k to 45k, but added luxury suites and increased individual chair type seats. That's the trend in CFB... Outright capacity is being decreased in favor of amenities.

Not everywhere. E.g., LSU, Alabama, and TAMU just expanded their stadiums, boosting capacity. They did add amenities but also increased volume as well, to over 100,000.

I think the overall trend is to boost stadium revenues however possible. If that means cutting capacity to add more luxury suites and the like, then sure, but if it can be done by adding more seats for everyone than it will be done that way. Different schools face different demand conditions.

(07-07-2015 10:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 10:29 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  The last renovation of Amon G. Carter took capacity down from 55k to 45k, but added luxury suites and increased individual chair type seats. That's the trend in CFB... Outright capacity is being decreased in favor of amenities.

Not everywhere. LSU, Alabama, and TAMU just expanded their stadiums, boosting capacity.

Mega programs can add seats everyone else has to play the luxury seats game. There are maybe 15 to 20 schools that have the type fan bases that can fill massive stadiums.

(07-02-2015 08:24 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 08:01 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  I love how everybody is blaming taxes when Oklahoma is just as culpable in this as they are

I honestly don't think that OU has it's own network which, prohibits the Conference that it is in from starting one or from being stable. Maybe I'm wrong but, I'd give Texas the edge here.

OU has its own network, so does Kansas. It pays about $7 million or about half of what the LHN makes.

(07-02-2015 10:03 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:29 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:25 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 11:18 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  yea, another thread

The Memphis board has a 295 page Big 12 thread. We thirst for the latest.

Amateurs. Cincinnati has a 923 page thread that has been in existence for three years.

No one can match the butt hurt on UConn's Boneyard.

You're not kidding...

Actually TCU has been to three bowls that are equal to a BCS bowl in the past 5 years. Won 2 and lost 1 by only 7 points. They beat Wisconsin in the Rose and then the Peach bowl last year. Not to mention that in that five year span they lost only 6 games total while being in a BCS/P5 conference.

No knocks on UCF but your accomplishments arent even close to TCU.

(07-07-2015 10:50 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 10:03 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:29 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:25 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 11:18 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  yea, another thread

The Memphis board has a 295 page Big 12 thread. We thirst for the latest.

Amateurs. Cincinnati has a 923 page thread that has been in existence for three years.

No one can match the butt hurt on UConn's Boneyard.

You're not kidding...

Feeling both mistreated and misunderstood they seem to hate everyone and everything. Man I'd love to see Memphis get a BXII invite just for the reaction.

(07-07-2015 09:02 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 11:56 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 11:00 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  http://newsok.com/which-combination-of-s...um=twitter

TCU acted like a big-time program. It won the Rose Bowl, then set about the business of proving it belonged. It raised the money and broke the ground and built the stadium, without any promises from a major conference. When the opportunity arose, TCU was ready, and it had the remade Amon Carter for the Frogs’ first year in the Big 12.

That’s what Cincinnati and Boise State and the Florida schools and East Carolina need to do. Don’t tell us what you would bring to the table in the Big 12. Tell us what you’re bringing to the table now in college football. - Berry Tramel NewsOK

UCF has won the same amount of bcs bowls as tcu and also has a stadium capacity slightly larger than tcu's.

^^^^^^^???? Jared, you haven't been to TCU's stadium (Amon G Carter) I'm assuming, otherwise you wouldn't have said something so ridiculous. It's bigger than UCF's, legendary, and the renovations alone cost TCU double than the total cost of BHN stadium, keep in mind it's cheaper to build in Ft Worth in than in Orlando so had the renovations been in Orlando they would have been 300 million, not under $175 million TCU paid a few years back...Homer posts like that don't do you any favors if you want credibility. Also, comparing TCU and UCF in BCS wins...TCU has had a phenomenal past 15 or so years (UCF's FBS existence) that are so far above what UCF has done. Rose and Peach bowl victories, sun Bowl victories, Fiesta bowl appearances--still talking about the past 15 or so years, I'm not even going to get into their historic place in college football history. Davey O Brian, Cotton Bowls in the old SWC etc. study up or go to some more games across the country...

Trammel's article talks about stadium size and mentions how tcu acted big by winning the rose bowl. To your point, I haven't been to tcu's stadium but I am aware of they did just renovate it. However, UCF isn't even close to finishing our stadium which is why it looks all aluminum as you guys so often point out. Tcu has done well over the years and you'll notice I didn't bring that up, only the two points that Trammel saw fit announce as criteria for his argument of acting big time. I'm not calling tcu unworthy, so relax and pour yourself a tall glass of calm down juice.

(07-07-2015 11:26 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 09:02 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 11:56 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 11:00 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  http://newsok.com/which-combination-of-s...um=twitter

TCU acted like a big-time program. It won the Rose Bowl, then set about the business of proving it belonged. It raised the money and broke the ground and built the stadium, without any promises from a major conference. When the opportunity arose, TCU was ready, and it had the remade Amon Carter for the Frogs’ first year in the Big 12.

That’s what Cincinnati and Boise State and the Florida schools and East Carolina need to do. Don’t tell us what you would bring to the table in the Big 12. Tell us what you’re bringing to the table now in college football. - Berry Tramel NewsOK

UCF has won the same amount of bcs bowls as tcu and also has a stadium capacity slightly larger than tcu's.

^^^^^^^???? Jared, you haven't been to TCU's stadium (Amon G Carter) I'm assuming, otherwise you wouldn't have said something so ridiculous. It's bigger than UCF's, legendary, and the renovations alone cost TCU double than the total cost of BHN stadium, keep in mind it's cheaper to build in Ft Worth in than in Orlando so had the renovations been in Orlando they would have been 300 million, not under $175 million TCU paid a few years back...Homer posts like that don't do you any favors if you want credibility. Also, comparing TCU and UCF in BCS wins...TCU has had a phenomenal past 15 or so years (UCF's FBS existence) that are so far above what UCF has done. Rose and Peach bowl victories, sun Bowl victories, Fiesta bowl appearances--still talking about the past 15 or so years, I'm not even going to get into their historic place in college football history. Davey O Brian, Cotton Bowls in the old SWC etc. study up or go to some more games across the country...

Trammel's article talks about stadium size and mentions how tcu acted big by winning the rose bowl. To your point, I haven't been to tcu's stadium but I am aware of they did just renovate it. However, UCF isn't even close to finishing our stadium which is why it looks all aluminum as you guys so often point out. Tcu has done well over the years and you'll notice I didn't bring that up, only the two points that Trammel saw fit announce as criteria for his argument of acting big time. I'm not calling tcu unworthy, so relax and pour yourself a tall glass of calm down juice.

if you didn't make the original point then I stand corrected and didn't mean to lash out on you. Sometimes I see posts that are so off the mark/misleading that I go overboard. We all love our teams I understand, but sometimes its best to know what your comparing before assuming your on the same level. TCU is an impressive football school, with a very historic stadium and that's understating it quite a bit. Cheers!