(07-04-2015 06:21 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  I know the idea has its heart in the right place, but this just reeks of the communal dining halls that you'd expect to see in Maoist China or Khmer Rouge Cambodia.

the cost and variables associated with managing the logistics of scheduling/transportation alone destroy the concept of accepting this as a valid solution...the first that comes to mind is how to feed those that actually do work, yet require assistance, and have a schedule that is not of the time frame allotted during a school session....would they be forced to adjust their existing schedule flow just to eat? maybe a delivery mechanism would evolve so those the lie/cheat/steal segment can have it delivered straight to the porch.....toss in providing the old english 44 oz to wash it down and it would be social reform utopia....

I could easily make an argument that another branch of gubberment would eventually evolve to administer any support of this nature.....isn't that the unspoken mantra from the communistic fundamentalists that portray themselves as the socially equitably motivated donks?

edit: I would much prefer seeing able bodied welfare recipients being placed in a infrastructure rebuilding program (bridges, roads, bldgs, etc...yeah, physical type work) and feed them on the job while keeping the current system in place at a reduced cost.....at a minimum, this would help reduce gov't assistance by teaching an ethical skill set to a subculture yearning to exhibit self dependency (that's what those on welfare continue to say, don't they?....that wasn't sarcasm or condescending btw).....kids get fed, the able-bodied get fed, and the family can eat together if they so choose

(07-04-2015 12:07 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(07-04-2015 11:56 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-04-2015 11:48 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(07-04-2015 11:46 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-04-2015 11:41 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  So, you kill the idea of the family meal at home in favour of "educational videos."

I think I will pass.

What we have works better and isn't an indoctrination mill.

I hadn't thought of the family meal thing. However, if the family is on food stamps, shouldn't there be other priorities than meals together?

Like what?

The family meal is the first thing I thought of. It's probably the single most important thing for families.

it used to be meaningful....still is for those that have a clue...

and who will put away their smartphones and actually communicate with their families during dinner.

It saddens me the number of people who are texting and surfing on their phones while they are out to dinner with their family and friends. I would guess it is the same when they are at home eating. What good is a dinner with the family if no one is talking to each other?

cell usage in public/family time is my number one pet peeve...and I couldn't do my job w/o a cell phone....

I am no longer part of the ozzie and harriet family theme (divorced), but my daughter has understood the taboo of cell usage at inappropriate times for quite some time know....it's why I got her one when she was six.....was just another paragraph of teaching humility and respect at a trainable age in the 21st century to me....

orthopedic solutions is one of the things I am currently looking at to provide a long term investment op for her future.....future neck/shoulder/back issues are going to require massive attention from the millennial droves relative to their current and subsequent 'matter'....still tryin' to figure out the obummercare portion first ......alwayz tryinz andz gotsta getz paid, ya knowz....

(07-05-2015 12:35 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(07-05-2015 12:31 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-04-2015 11:25 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Just give them surplus bread and cheese.

How about all the fruit and veggies that go to waste due to not being pretty enough to sell in grocery stores? Can we use them too?

I assumed that food went to charity. It makes no sense to throw it out.

Technically it's not thrown out. It's used for compost to creat future vegetables . Although this isn't always used

(07-05-2015 05:47 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  

(07-05-2015 12:35 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(07-05-2015 12:31 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-04-2015 11:25 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Just give them surplus bread and cheese.

How about all the fruit and veggies that go to waste due to not being pretty enough to sell in grocery stores? Can we use them too?

I assumed that food went to charity. It makes no sense to throw it out.

Technically it's not thrown out. It's used for compost to creat future vegetables . Although this isn't always used

Actually, if you watch/read my link some of it is left to rot in the fields and some of it is thrown into landfills. I am fine with using some of the left overs to be left in the fields but to waste the opportunity to use some of the excess(and there is a lot of excess- can be about 40% of the crop) to feed the hungry is a missed opportunity.

If you want to get people off food stamps. Then do away with income tax and create them a damn job. A few ideas come to mind.

1. Water pipelines to California and the great plains to refill the aquifers.
2. Building dams in small water ways to produce electricity and fish farming.
3. Bridge and road repair.
4. Building salt lakes in Arizona and New Mexico.
5. EMU and Rabbit farming. Help Cargill and Tyson build an infrastructure for processing and marketing.
6. Create incentives for Orchard development and production.
7. Help establish low rate loans for hobby farms (2-10 acre family farms.)
8. Building of more Nuclear power plants.

(07-05-2015 10:25 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  If you want to get people off food stamps. Then do away with income tax and create them a damn job. A few ideas come to mind.

1. Water pipelines to California and the great plains to refill the aquifers.
2. Building dams in small water ways to produce electricity and fish farming.
3. Bridge and road repair.
4. Building salt lakes in Arizona and New Mexico.
5. EMU and Rabbit farming. Help Cargill and Tyson build an infrastructure for processing and marketing.
6. Create incentives for Orchard development and production.
7. Help establish low rate loans for hobby farms (2-10 acre family farms.)
8. Building of more Nuclear power plants.

Well, number 3 sounds good, Of course, the only reason to have workers with absolutely no experience build roads and bridges is to cut costs with cheap labor. Unfortunately, in the long run it would cost more due to having to repair/replace soon after.

(07-05-2015 10:59 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-05-2015 10:25 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  If you want to get people off food stamps. Then do away with income tax and create them a damn job. A few ideas come to mind.

1. Water pipelines to California and the great plains to refill the aquifers.
2. Building dams in small water ways to produce electricity and fish farming.
3. Bridge and road repair.
4. Building salt lakes in Arizona and New Mexico.
5. EMU and Rabbit farming. Help Cargill and Tyson build an infrastructure for processing and marketing.
6. Create incentives for Orchard development and production.
7. Help establish low rate loans for hobby farms (2-10 acre family farms.)
8. Building of more Nuclear power plants.

Well, number 3 sounds good, Of course, the only reason to have workers with absolutely no experience build roads and bridges is to cut costs with cheap labor. Unfortunately, in the long run it would cost more due to having to repair/replace soon after.

You have something against actual work?

(07-05-2015 10:59 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-05-2015 10:25 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  If you want to get people off food stamps. Then do away with income tax and create them a damn job. A few ideas come to mind.

1. Water pipelines to California and the great plains to refill the aquifers.
2. Building dams in small water ways to produce electricity and fish farming.
3. Bridge and road repair.
4. Building salt lakes in Arizona and New Mexico.
5. EMU and Rabbit farming. Help Cargill and Tyson build an infrastructure for processing and marketing.
6. Create incentives for Orchard development and production.
7. Help establish low rate loans for hobby farms (2-10 acre family farms.)
8. Building of more Nuclear power plants.

Well, number 3 sounds good, Of course, the only reason to have workers with absolutely no experience build roads and bridges is to cut costs with cheap labor. Unfortunately, in the long run it would cost more due to having to repair/replace soon after.

Uh no. The reason to have people with no skills do roadwork is because:

1. It is a low skill job so that they can be trained quickly on the job

2. People who spent money to go to school to get a skill didnt do it so that they could spend their days shoveling asphalt into a pothole.


Apparently, you believe the people with the shovels also DESIGN bridges and roadways. Not true. So, therefore, just because an unskilled person with a shovel is asphalting a bridge doesnt mean that the bridge will fall down because they are "cheap" labor.

(07-04-2015 11:19 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  My solution to food stamp fraud is to remove the chance for fraud to begin with. If you need government assistance putting food on the table then you get your food from a government supply warehouse. Employ qualified (drug free, no criminal record) individuals who are receiving benefits to staff these warehouses or to serve as delivery drivers ...

I've thought of this as well. I changed it to schools however because the facilities are already in place.

(07-05-2015 02:47 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-04-2015 11:19 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  My solution to food stamp fraud is to remove the chance for fraud to begin with. If you need government assistance putting food on the table then you get your food from a government supply warehouse. Employ qualified (drug free, no criminal record) individuals who are receiving benefits to staff these warehouses or to serve as delivery drivers ...

I've thought of this as well. I changed it to schools however because the facilities are already in place.

Too much waste if you do it your way. Look at the amount of unserved food that school cafeterias throw away now. Now multiply it by however many more meals the cafeteria is going to have to make each day.

Also the cafeteria facilities themselves are going to need to be enlarged. More dry storage, more refrigerated storage, more cooking space and equipment, more cleaning space and equipment.

Plus you are talking about having to increase school security. You are now bringing a large number of people on school grounds where they can get access to the children. How are you going to serve the sex offenders? Isn't it bad enough we expose our kids to so many in the classroom now you want to bring them in the vicinity of even more?

Noble idea overall, but not grounded in reality.

No. Ill just have to pay to transport these people 3 times a day to the dinner table.

Id rather see a there be only certain items that can be purchased with food stamps. Twinkies and Ribeyes will not be on that list btw.

(07-05-2015 11:59 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(07-05-2015 10:59 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-05-2015 10:25 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  If you want to get people off food stamps. Then do away with income tax and create them a damn job. A few ideas come to mind.

1. Water pipelines to California and the great plains to refill the aquifers.
2. Building dams in small water ways to produce electricity and fish farming.
3. Bridge and road repair.
4. Building salt lakes in Arizona and New Mexico.
5. EMU and Rabbit farming. Help Cargill and Tyson build an infrastructure for processing and marketing.
6. Create incentives for Orchard development and production.
7. Help establish low rate loans for hobby farms (2-10 acre family farms.)
8. Building of more Nuclear power plants.

Well, number 3 sounds good, Of course, the only reason to have workers with absolutely no experience build roads and bridges is to cut costs with cheap labor. Unfortunately, in the long run it would cost more due to having to repair/replace soon after.

You have something against actual work?

Nope. It is that most of your project ideas suck. Also, as I said, I would prefer that any jobs decided on would be done with experienced workers so we don't have to spend more reparing/replacing the project right after it is finished.

(07-05-2015 12:13 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-05-2015 10:59 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-05-2015 10:25 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  If you want to get people off food stamps. Then do away with income tax and create them a damn job. A few ideas come to mind.

1. Water pipelines to California and the great plains to refill the aquifers.
2. Building dams in small water ways to produce electricity and fish farming.
3. Bridge and road repair.
4. Building salt lakes in Arizona and New Mexico.
5. EMU and Rabbit farming. Help Cargill and Tyson build an infrastructure for processing and marketing.
6. Create incentives for Orchard development and production.
7. Help establish low rate loans for hobby farms (2-10 acre family farms.)
8. Building of more Nuclear power plants.

Well, number 3 sounds good, Of course, the only reason to have workers with absolutely no experience build roads and bridges is to cut costs with cheap labor. Unfortunately, in the long run it would cost more due to having to repair/replace soon after.

Uh no. The reason to have people with no skills do roadwork is because:

1. It is a low skill job so that they can be trained quickly on the job

2. People who spent money to go to school to get a skill didnt do it so that they could spend their days shoveling asphalt into a pothole.


Apparently, you believe the people with the shovels also DESIGN bridges and roadways. Not true. So, therefore, just because an unskilled person with a shovel is asphalting a bridge doesnt mean that the bridge will fall down because they are "cheap" labor.

I guess I can understand your thinking on the inexperienced labor but I also have a problem with going the "work for less" route because it will likely bring wages down in that sector.

So what happens when School is out for the Summer and /or when the Students move up or graduate ?

(07-05-2015 10:17 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-05-2015 05:47 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  

(07-05-2015 12:35 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(07-05-2015 12:31 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-04-2015 11:25 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Just give them surplus bread and cheese.

How about all the fruit and veggies that go to waste due to not being pretty enough to sell in grocery stores? Can we use them too?

I assumed that food went to charity. It makes no sense to throw it out.

Technically it's not thrown out. It's used for compost to creat future vegetables . Although this isn't always used

Actually, if you watch/read my link some of it is left to rot in the fields and some of it is thrown into landfills. I am fine with using some of the left overs to be left in the fields but to waste the opportunity to use some of the excess(and there is a lot of excess- can be about 40% of the crop) to feed the hungry is a missed opportunity.

I agree, that's why I said "although it's not always used".

(07-04-2015 11:43 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I'd rather simply focus on cutting any fraud from the SNAP program.

Things like requiring a photo ID (student IDs and library cards will do) that matches the name on the card to swipe the EBT card...

Which that would be ideal, but I don't think in individual corruption (which is prevalent) is actually that big of a financial loss to worry about. In fact, I'd like to eliminate the administrative apparatus and just give said individuals the cash directly.

(07-06-2015 06:57 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  So what happens when School is out for the Summer and /or when the Students move up or graduate ?

School kitchens stay open and students who still qualify eat free.

(07-06-2015 08:29 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 06:57 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  So what happens when School is out for the Summer and /or when the Students move up or graduate ?

School kitchens stay open and students who still qualify eat free.

Sounds expensive.

(07-06-2015 08:54 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 08:29 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 06:57 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  So what happens when School is out for the Summer and /or when the Students move up or graduate ?

School kitchens stay open and students who still qualify eat free.

Sounds expensive.

It's not any different than what is already happening. Many public schools offer free summer lunches.

My food stamps solution is to do away with all focused and means-tested welfare programs at the federal level. Have two programs:

1. A guaranteed minimum income program along the lines of Milton Friedman's negative income tax or the Boortz-Linder prebate/prefund, and
2. Universal private health insurance based on the Bismarck model.

With Bismarck health care you lift about $400 billion in Medicare costs off the states. Let them use that money to pick up focused programs like food stamps if they want to. Then the individual states could experiment with various delivery models to find out what works best.