(06-25-2015 10:21 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 10:19 AM)Okielite Wrote:  If we add them we might as well add SMU and have a Bible pod of BYU, Baylor, TCU, SMU.

Heh. If it's a Bible pod you're after, don't forget Liberty!

Looking back it's almost surprising that the religious schools never did associate themselves with each other. Imagine the Big East catholic schools along with a package of Notre Dame, BYU, TCU, Baylor, SMU, etc... That would be a legitimate conference by any measure.

If the Big 12 does break up, who does the ACC get?

Texas and Oklahoma first need to make some changes before the PAC accepts Them !

(06-25-2015 11:01 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  If the Big 12 does break up, who does the ACC get?

Texas and the leftovers that the PAC, SEC, and B1G didn't want. Just like the last round.

(06-25-2015 11:07 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Texas and Oklahoma first need to make some changes before the PAC accepts Them !

Bible Beaters from OK are not a good fit for that conference at all. But could make for some good rivalries with fans arguing everything from football to pot.

To those folks in Western states Okies are a bunch of idiots. I laughed when they filed a lawsuit against Colorado about pot. Like that is going to stop pot from being legalized.

(06-25-2015 11:07 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Texas and Oklahoma first need to make some changes before the PAC accepts Them !

Has Utah made those changes?

(06-24-2015 09:51 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The SEC just got a black eye, twice. The PAC isn't OSU's only option.

What black eye are you speaking of? The early signing period?

(06-24-2015 10:28 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  It is hard to link a TV interview that happened several years back. However, if you want proof you might search the Oklahoman back when all of this happened. They had a story about the OU powers that be not wanting any part of the SEC culture.

I would just point out that "not wanting any part of the SEC culture" when at the time they were in a secure conference, might be far different than the current state, a conference that now has two former conferences mates as part of it, and a completely different landscape. I think if they received assurances of an SEC invite (and it didn't harm OSU), they may have a different opinion on it now.

(06-25-2015 11:56 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(06-24-2015 09:51 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The SEC just got a black eye, twice. The PAC isn't OSU's only option.

What black eye are you speaking of? The early signing period?

(06-24-2015 10:28 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  It is hard to link a TV interview that happened several years back. However, if you want proof you might search the Oklahoman back when all of this happened. They had a story about the OU powers that be not wanting any part of the SEC culture.

I would just point out that "not wanting any part of the SEC culture" when at the time they were in a secure conference, might be far different than the current state, a conference that now has two former conferences mates as part of it, and a completely different landscape. I think if they received assurances of an SEC invite (and it didn't harm OSU), they may have a different opinion on it now.

I agree 100%. The thought of playing Arkansas, Missouri, LSU, and aTm sounds much more appealing to fans than schools in the other power conferences who are not regional. Now if the B1G added KU that might be somewhat appealing to be in a division with Nebraska.

At some point OU will do what is best for the brand.

(06-25-2015 11:23 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 11:07 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Texas and Oklahoma first need to make some changes before the PAC accepts Them !

Has Utah made those changes?

No, That was a desperation Move. I'm sure They are Workin' it though !

(06-25-2015 12:31 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 11:23 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 11:07 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Texas and Oklahoma first need to make some changes before the PAC accepts Them !

Has Utah made those changes?

No, That was a desperation Move. I'm sure They are Workin' it though !

We're making other important innovations.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/27/justice/ut...pot-igloo/
Also, going back to 2013 Utah had 73% support for medical marijuana legalization and only 57% opposition to recreational marijuana legalization. You have to understand, that Mormons hate paying taxes and love when the burden of taxation can be shifted to the heathens through vice taxes.

(06-25-2015 12:34 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 12:31 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 11:23 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 11:07 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Texas and Oklahoma first need to make some changes before the PAC accepts Them !

Has Utah made those changes?

No, That was a desperation Move. I'm sure They are Workin' it though !

We're making other important innovations.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/27/justice/ut...pot-igloo/
If only we could get Utah County to secede from the state, we'd be good.

Classic !

(06-25-2015 11:01 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  If the Big 12 does break up, who does the ACC get?

In my "Kansas and Oklahoma to the Big Ten while Texas goes independent" scenario, I thought of a different twist. Texas sends its Olympic sports to the ACC, just like ND. It's a lame amount of travel, but it's only an hour difference in time zones, and it gets Texas more established as an East Coast entity (like Dallas in the NFC East for the NFL). They can set up a 4-games per year contract for football with the ACC schools to massage the arrangement (and help them fill their schedule).

The ACC can keep an 8-game schedule in conference even MORE easily than they currently are doing (with the extra ND and Texas games built in). For basketball, they'll have 16 teams. For football, they'll have 14 teams. Seems pretty symmetrical to me.

Not sure where the LHN fits in, but ND already has arrangements made to keep its football TV money.

(06-24-2015 10:51 PM)bluesox Wrote:  If they have an invite to the big 10, pac 12 or sec they do…OU leaves the big 12, the big 12 is dead. Now Texas will be OK but they will need to also move.

The Big 12 won't be dead....they'll add a ton of teams. There are MANY MANY teams in the waiting...

What they'll become if Texas and Oklahoma left is the new Big East....a conference fighting for legitimacy, but still with a seat at the table

There are enough good teams to keep them afloat though

@ChuckCarltonDMN 8m8 minutes ago
As @dennisdoddcbs has noted, expansion math in Big 12 has changed with pro rata confirmation by Bob Bowlsby on moving to 12 teams.

Bowlsby confirmed that 40-45 percent of revenue would have to be split more ways in expansion (excluding TV dollars).

Based on '15 number of $252M, that's about $101M to $113M. Let's use $108M for simple math. Ten-way split: $10.8M; 12-way: $9M, Diff: $1.8M.

So if the pie that needs to expand is only $110M a year, then the newcomers need to add $22M a year to break even.

How much is a conference title game worth? Seems like that covers the nut by itself.

I wonder who needs to get drunk for the big 12 to add somebody? THe only rational explanation for the big 12 not jumping to 12 is the powers, i.e. texas will be moving on or they think they can raid the ACC. Jumping to 12 pays for itself with the tv bump, conference title game and the fact the newcomers can add to the NCAA credit pie, i.e. UCONN hoops.

(06-25-2015 03:57 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I wonder who needs to get drunk for the big 12 to add somebody? THe only rational explanation for the big 12 not jumping to 12 is the powers, i.e. texas will be moving on or they think they can raid the ACC. Jumping to 12 pays for itself with the tv bump, conference title game and the fact the newcomers can add to the NCAA credit pie, i.e. UCONN hoops.

Adding a championship game should make up for splitting the Sugar Bowl and CFP money 2 more ways, and it sounds like the TV money is a non-issue... several teams would also add NCAA tournament money besides faraway UConn (like Cincinnati and Memphis).

IMO the bottom line is this: Texas is sitting pretty with guaranteed money from the LHN, so the Longhorns have ZERO incentive to change the status quo. On the other hand, OU (and others) can hear the realignment clock ticking loud and clear... it probably keeps them up at night!

(06-25-2015 12:54 PM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 11:01 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  If the Big 12 does break up, who does the ACC get?

In my "Kansas and Oklahoma to the Big Ten while Texas goes independent" scenario, I thought of a different twist. Texas sends its Olympic sports to the ACC, just like ND. It's a lame amount of travel, but it's only an hour difference in time zones, and it gets Texas more established as an East Coast entity (like Dallas in the NFC East for the NFL). They can set up a 4-games per year contract for football with the ACC schools to massage the arrangement (and help them fill their schedule).

The ACC can keep an 8-game schedule in conference even MORE easily than they currently are doing (with the extra ND and Texas games built in). For basketball, they'll have 16 teams. For football, they'll have 14 teams. Seems pretty symmetrical to me.

Not sure where the LHN fits in, but ND already has arrangements made to keep its football TV money.

Texas could keep rights to a bunch more content this way. Right now they usually get 1 crap home game and pay ISU or KU for a road game. So going from 1-2 FB games a year to 6-7 could do wonders for the network.

Truthfully if Texas/ESPN wants LHN to succeed going indy/ACC might be the best option overall. Plus the academics of the ACC, public ivy's, and East coast exposure would interest the school as well.

(06-25-2015 03:57 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I wonder who needs to get drunk for the big 12 to add somebody? THe only rational explanation for the big 12 not jumping to 12 is the powers, i.e. texas will be moving on or they think they can raid the ACC. Jumping to 12 pays for itself with the tv bump, conference title game and the fact the newcomers can add to the NCAA credit pie, i.e. UCONN hoops.

We can't blame Deloss anymore?

(06-25-2015 04:34 PM)Okielite Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 12:54 PM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 11:01 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  If the Big 12 does break up, who does the ACC get?

In my "Kansas and Oklahoma to the Big Ten while Texas goes independent" scenario, I thought of a different twist. Texas sends its Olympic sports to the ACC, just like ND. It's a lame amount of travel, but it's only an hour difference in time zones, and it gets Texas more established as an East Coast entity (like Dallas in the NFC East for the NFL). They can set up a 4-games per year contract for football with the ACC schools to massage the arrangement (and help them fill their schedule).

The ACC can keep an 8-game schedule in conference even MORE easily than they currently are doing (with the extra ND and Texas games built in). For basketball, they'll have 16 teams. For football, they'll have 14 teams. Seems pretty symmetrical to me.

Not sure where the LHN fits in, but ND already has arrangements made to keep its football TV money.

Texas could keep rights to a bunch more content this way. Right now they usually get 1 crap home game and pay ISU or KU for a road game. So going from 1-2 FB games a year to 6-7 could do wonders for the network.

Truthfully if Texas/ESPN wants LHN to succeed going indy/ACC might be the best option overall. Plus the academics of the ACC, public ivy's, and East coast exposure would interest the school as well.

They could show whatever high school football games in Texas they wanted.