(06-22-2015 01:08 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 12:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:20 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  The only schools from the AAC that have gotten the exposure in being talked about are UCF, East Carolina and Memphis. They made a big deal with Memphis who almost upset UCLA last year. Their named game up a few times. Then, they were talked about for a few days when they beat BYU in the bowl game when some BYU players were sore losers and started a free wailing of fists. Reminds me of the Oregon Player that was a sore loser when his team lost to Boise State.

You obviously didn't see the fight at the end of the game. The Memphis player got in his face and in his space (perhaps unintentionally). The BYU player shoved and 3(!) Memphis guys started swinging at him with fists and helmets.

I thought one of the BYU players swung his helmet at a Memphis player. Fists are one thing, but helmets are another.

No. Noone from BYU ganged up or used helmets. One did come from behind near the end of the fight and take a cheap shot-and then got tagged back even worse. That may be what you are thinking about.

(06-22-2015 05:41 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  Because the game was played in a baseball park, both benches were on the same side of the field with the Memphis band/fans largely behind the BYU bench. Memphis players basically had to walk over to the BYU bench to celebrate in front of fans. BYU players started throwing punches which Memphis players returned. Culminated in a blindside back of the head sucker punch from a BYU player who had been knocked the **** out earlier.

http://www.barstoolsports.com/boston/gre...ocked-out/

False. The Memphis players escalated it from a simple shove to fists and a brawl. Do you really need to lie about your rivals?

its interesting how it all works out. As far as I know, ESPN never talks about my team on sports center or game day or anything. I never watch anything on ESPN. Its easier to get my news from this board. It all works out.

ok, I admit I tried to watch some of the 4 hour marathons that ESPN tries to pass off as a game, but that got old for the meaningless games.

Game of thrones is now done for the year. It seems like a good time to finally cut the cord. I realized something last year. I do not need to see my favorite team play 12 times on tv. most tier3 games I do not need to see at all. Life is too short, there are other things better to do.

(06-22-2015 07:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 01:08 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 12:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:20 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  The only schools from the AAC that have gotten the exposure in being talked about are UCF, East Carolina and Memphis. They made a big deal with Memphis who almost upset UCLA last year. Their named game up a few times. Then, they were talked about for a few days when they beat BYU in the bowl game when some BYU players were sore losers and started a free wailing of fists. Reminds me of the Oregon Player that was a sore loser when his team lost to Boise State.

You obviously didn't see the fight at the end of the game. The Memphis player got in his face and in his space (perhaps unintentionally). The BYU player shoved and 3(!) Memphis guys started swinging at him with fists and helmets.

I thought one of the BYU players swung his helmet at a Memphis player. Fists are one thing, but helmets are another.

No. Noone from BYU ganged up or used helmets. One did come from behind near the end of the fight and take a cheap shot-and then got tagged back even worse. That may be what you are thinking about.

What you saw there was the initial sucker punch to the back of the head from The BYU player followed by a Memphis KO punch which was then followed by more sucker punches from the BYU guy. http://www.lostlettermen.com/article/mia...nch-video. Also, are you embarrassed to put BYU in your sig line? You're obviously a fan as you come to the defense anytime anything negative comes to light.

(06-22-2015 11:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  When it comes to talking about a conference's 'exposure', seems like the discussion focuses on technical details like the ratings of games, how many homes a network is carried in, etc. We get analyses of whether ESPN-U is a better place to have a game than FS1 and stuff like that.

But IMO this is partially misguided. Yes, exposure is about having games on national networks. Games have to be on to be seen. But i think that maybe even moreso, it's about getting talked about and shown when the games aren't on. The real sports exposure comes when you are talked about and highlighted on shows like PTI, GameDay, Around the Horn, and of course SportsCenter. Those shows draw bigger ratings than many games and some of them are on every day.

Concerning the AAC, I was hopeful that one good thing about signing with ESPN might be that they would work the AAC into those shows to promote us, but if this past year is indication, no dice. You can watch Game Day all morning and never hear anything about the AAC mentioned at all, ditto for these other shows.

Bottom line seems to be: If you aren't P5, you are invisible or nearly so even if your games are airing. If you don't make the SportsCenter highlights and the PTI clowns don't have you in their rundown the next day, or if Jim Rome or Colin Cowherd aren't yapping about you on the radio, it's almost as if the game wasn't played.

In the context of conference realignment mesage boards, "exposure" doesn't mean much of anything. The OP has read, as have we all, countless posts citing, i.e. "Big 12 should add Cincy to get exposure in Ohio/B1G territory." As though football fans in Ohio are not aware of the existence of the Big 12. "Exposure" is a phantom asset/quality attributed to paricular realignment moves by overreaching message board posters.

(06-22-2015 12:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:20 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  The only schools from the AAC that have gotten the exposure in being talked about are UCF, East Carolina and Memphis. They made a big deal with Memphis who almost upset UCLA last year. Their named game up a few times. Then, they were talked about for a few days when they beat BYU in the bowl game when some BYU players were sore losers and started a free wailing of fists. Reminds me of the Oregon Player that was a sore loser when his team lost to Boise State.

You obviously didn't see the fight at the end of the game. The Memphis player got in his face and in his space (perhaps unintentionally). The BYU player shoved and 3(!) Memphis guys started swinging at him with fists and helmets.

What I saw portrayed BYU negatively.

One huge negative for the Big 12 as far as exposure is games that are not even on TV. I know each season there are OU and OSU games not on national TV. Fox extorts the OU fan base for one PPV and there is usually at least one crappy OSU football game that does not end up on national TV. Pretty sad considering how many FCS games or even D-2 games but I can't watch power conference games in the Big 12.

Would be really nice for the conference to take those games that don't make it on TV and do some kind of a streaming network to allow fans to watch. .

(06-23-2015 12:05 PM)Okielite Wrote:  One huge negative for the Big 12 as far as exposure is games that are not even on TV. I know each season there are OU and OSU games not on national TV. Fox extorts the OU fan base for one PPV and there is usually at least one crappy OSU football game that does not end up on national TV. Pretty sad considering how many FCS games or even D-2 games but I can't watch power conference games in the Big 12.

Would be really nice for the conference to take those games that don't make it on TV and do some kind of a streaming network to allow fans to watch. .

I saw no Big 12 games on tv in my area last year. I seen several D2, D3, NAIA, a bunch of FCS, and a bunch of losing schools like SMU on tv last year. Somebody is not helping the Big 12 cause big time. Unless they are trying to send a message to the Big 12 to add teams?

(06-23-2015 05:40 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 12:05 PM)Okielite Wrote:  One huge negative for the Big 12 as far as exposure is games that are not even on TV. I know each season there are OU and OSU games not on national TV. Fox extorts the OU fan base for one PPV and there is usually at least one crappy OSU football game that does not end up on national TV. Pretty sad considering how many FCS games or even D-2 games but I can't watch power conference games in the Big 12.

Would be really nice for the conference to take those games that don't make it on TV and do some kind of a streaming network to allow fans to watch. .

I saw no Big 12 games on tv in my area last year. I seen several D2, D3, NAIA, a bunch of FCS, and a bunch of losing schools like SMU on tv last year. Somebody is not helping the Big 12 cause big time. Unless they are trying to send a message to the Big 12 to add teams?

So I guess the rest of us dreamed watching all those Big 12 games on FOX, FS1 ESPN, and ESPN2

Perhaps David lives in an isolated part of Arkansas?

(06-22-2015 11:19 PM)33laszlo99 Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  When it comes to talking about a conference's 'exposure', seems like the discussion focuses on technical details like the ratings of games, how many homes a network is carried in, etc. We get analyses of whether ESPN-U is a better place to have a game than FS1 and stuff like that.

But IMO this is partially misguided. Yes, exposure is about having games on national networks. Games have to be on to be seen. But i think that maybe even moreso, it's about getting talked about and shown when the games aren't on. The real sports exposure comes when you are talked about and highlighted on shows like PTI, GameDay, Around the Horn, and of course SportsCenter. Those shows draw bigger ratings than many games and some of them are on every day.

Concerning the AAC, I was hopeful that one good thing about signing with ESPN might be that they would work the AAC into those shows to promote us, but if this past year is indication, no dice. You can watch Game Day all morning and never hear anything about the AAC mentioned at all, ditto for these other shows.

Bottom line seems to be: If you aren't P5, you are invisible or nearly so even if your games are airing. If you don't make the SportsCenter highlights and the PTI clowns don't have you in their rundown the next day, or if Jim Rome or Colin Cowherd aren't yapping about you on the radio, it's almost as if the game wasn't played.

In the context of conference realignment mesage boards, "exposure" doesn't mean much of anything. The OP has read, as have we all, countless posts citing, i.e. "Big 12 should add Cincy to get exposure in Ohio/B1G territory." As though football fans in Ohio are not aware of the existence of the Big 12. "Exposure" is a phantom asset/quality attributed to paricular realignment moves by overreaching message board posters.

On this board, I agree that the term "exposure" has been hijacked to fit the ideologies of those seeking further expansion that would benefit their school, and by the fans of some conferences who want to feel good about the otherwise lousy state of their affairs.

But, I do not agree this means the term is naturally devoid of valid content. I think exposure does matter to schools and conferences, but that it is often misdefined, as I have described.

ESPN only cares about the Top 25. If you're a middle or lower rung P5 school, you aren't much better off than the G5.

(06-23-2015 08:05 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  ESPN only cares about the Top 25. If you're a middle or lower rung P5 school, you aren't much better off than the G5.

Keep telling yourself that while you desperately hope to be a middle or lower rung p-5 school.

Don't kid yourself. The difference in g-5 and p-5 is only getting started and at some point the state will not be able to support your AD like they currently do, 38%, or nearly 30 million $.

I swear that there is not a more butthurt fanbase than UConn. I love reading all the posts about the NY and Boston TV markets, per capita income, and how valuable women's basketball is and how the B1G invite is right around the corner.

Then you come back to reality and realize you have a stadium an hour away from campus that often has 20k fans, and even teens less not that long ago. It's your fans who are preventing you from being valuable enough to be in a power conference. See Nebraska or ISU if you want to see what a loyal fanbase looks like.

(06-23-2015 08:05 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  ESPN only cares about the Top 25. If you're a middle or lower rung P5 school, you aren't much better off than the G5.

Not so, because you get coverage playing those teams. E.g., Ole Miss might not be top 25, but if they are playing ranked Alabama, LSU, TAMU, Auburn every week then Ole Miss gets plenty of reflected exposure, not just in the games themselves but only Game Day, Sports Center, etc.

(06-23-2015 11:06 PM)Okielite Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 08:05 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  ESPN only cares about the Top 25. If you're a middle or lower rung P5 school, you aren't much better off than the G5.

Keep telling yourself that while you desperately hope to be a middle or lower rung p-5 school.

Don't kid yourself. The difference in g-5 and p-5 is only getting started and at some point the state will not be able to support your AD like they currently do, 38%, or nearly 30 million $.

I swear that there is not a more butthurt fanbase than UConn. I love reading all the posts about the NY and Boston TV markets, per capita income, and how valuable women's basketball is and how the B1G invite is right around the corner.

Then you come back to reality and realize you have a stadium an hour away from campus that often has 20k fans, and even teens less not that long ago. It's your fans who are preventing you from being valuable enough to be in a power conference. See Nebraska or ISU if you want to see what a loyal fanbase looks like.

What a rational response.

Sidenote - Do you still post your weekly insults on the inactive UConn scout site after having been banned from the Boneyard on atleast 2 different handles already?

(06-24-2015 08:06 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 11:06 PM)Okielite Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 08:05 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  ESPN only cares about the Top 25. If you're a middle or lower rung P5 school, you aren't much better off than the G5.

Keep telling yourself that while you desperately hope to be a middle or lower rung p-5 school.

Don't kid yourself. The difference in g-5 and p-5 is only getting started and at some point the state will not be able to support your AD like they currently do, 38%, or nearly 30 million $.

I swear that there is not a more butthurt fanbase than UConn. I love reading all the posts about the NY and Boston TV markets, per capita income, and how valuable women's basketball is and how the B1G invite is right around the corner.

Then you come back to reality and realize you have a stadium an hour away from campus that often has 20k fans, and even teens less not that long ago. It's your fans who are preventing you from being valuable enough to be in a power conference. See Nebraska or ISU if you want to see what a loyal fanbase looks like.

What a rational response.

Sidenote - Do you still post your weekly insults on the inactive UConn scout site after having been banned from the Boneyard on at least 2 different handles already?

LOL. The truth hurts. UConn fans live in a fantasy land and I enjoy pointing it out. Glad to know you enjoyed the posts.

The really funny thing is how fascinated the UConn folks are with insiders like the dude. The WVU folks don't' even pay attention to him anymore but the UConn fans follow every tweet and post it. Funny as hell.

Like I said, easily the most butthurt fanbase in the country. Congrats!

(06-23-2015 08:05 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  ESPN only cares about the Top 25. If you're a middle or lower rung P5 school, you aren't much better off than the G5.

I doubt ESPiN wants to include that many. They always discuss the same few schools, whether those schools are ranked or not.

The unexpected entry into the list is always highlighted until they fall off the map. But it's the same few all the time, with the occasional token mention of someone not among the favored few.

(06-24-2015 09:29 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 08:05 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  ESPN only cares about the Top 25. If you're a middle or lower rung P5 school, you aren't much better off than the G5.

I doubt ESPiN wants to include that many. They always discuss the same few schools, whether those schools are ranked or not.

The unexpected entry into the list is always highlighted until they fall off the map. But it's the same few all the time, with the occasional token mention of someone not among the favored few.

Fresno State is one of those that still gets shown on ESPN even if they lose many games.

You have to be a favorite to ESPN to be on their networks which is why many MAC schools are being shown a lot. Even U. Conn. football get shown on ESPN.

(06-24-2015 08:06 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 11:06 PM)Okielite Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 08:05 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  ESPN only cares about the Top 25. If you're a middle or lower rung P5 school, you aren't much better off than the G5.

Keep telling yourself that while you desperately hope to be a middle or lower rung p-5 school.

Don't kid yourself. The difference in g-5 and p-5 is only getting started and at some point the state will not be able to support your AD like they currently do, 38%, or nearly 30 million $.

I swear that there is not a more butthurt fanbase than UConn. I love reading all the posts about the NY and Boston TV markets, per capita income, and how valuable women's basketball is and how the B1G invite is right around the corner.

Then you come back to reality and realize you have a stadium an hour away from campus that often has 20k fans, and even teens less not that long ago. It's your fans who are preventing you from being valuable enough to be in a power conference. See Nebraska or ISU if you want to see what a loyal fanbase looks like.

What a rational response.

Sidenote - Do you still post your weekly insults on the inactive UConn scout site after having been banned from the Boneyard on atleast 2 different handles already?

Hank,
thanks for proving my point about UConn fans. Snorted beer on my computer screen when I saw that you took the time to give me negative rep and say I should be banned in the comments. UConn fans are truly the most butthurt fans on the planet. Keep up the fine work.

As far as BY there are no other schools fans allowed unless they are from the B1G or ACC and are talking about how UConn should be added. Heck you guys don't' even get along with BillyBud and he is extremely easy going. essentially you only allow UConn homers on the board and if anybody posts facts that are negative about Uconn they are banned and the comments erased. That is easily the most delusional realignment board on the internet. I really like when UConn fans bash the ACC and Big 12 while we all know that if either offered UConn you would accept.

Okielite, Hank Schrader, I don't think anyone else cares about who got banned from the Boneyard or how butthurt UConn fans on Boneyard may or may not be. This was a fairly good thread about what we really mean and/or should mean when we talk about a conference's exposure. Let's talk about that.