I think this a perfect example where political correctness crosses into Nazi tactics, yes Goldman's now has a PC Gestapo.

Quote:Employees are being told “to help create an environment for open and honest dialogue.” The document notes descriptors such as “wife” and “boyfriend” are frowned upon, and “partner” is preferred. Not referring to your wife as your wife “offers up the opportunity for more inclusive conversations.”

Wow! So NORMAL is offensive, but using a gay word like Partner is acceptable.

PC Gone to far

I would tell Goldman don't police my language thank you very much. Husbands and wives are exactly that. And partner is extremely exclusionary being as how damn near everyone is not a partner but a husband/wife, boyfriend/girlfriend.

Partner is a silly word to use for heterosexual couples. It's been used to describe gay couples. Leave it that way.

I'm not going to call married people partners and I'm not going to call gay partners married.

I do not have a partner, and NEVER WILL. I have a WIFE AND A LIFE ! So Fvck off Goldman's !

This does pose the question, if Wife/Husband is offensive, then by association isn't the word Marriage? So if Wife, Husband, and MARRIAGE are offensive words, shouldn't gays be working toward civil union equality demanding that government stop referring to state recognized domestic unions (GASP) Marriage?!?

This is absolutely absurd.

"Include LGBT issues in your everyday life."

Really? This is a 'scary line'? It's an HR memo, they're all worthless, ignored, and deleted without reading. Let's keep the hyperbole about 'Nazi Tactics' to a minimum, unless of course you don't wish to be taken seriously by any objective observer.

(06-21-2015 02:58 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  "Include LGBT issues in your everyday life."

Gonna piss a lot of gays and pc people off if I did.

You're in the minority if you can trash and ignore the fascist dictates from HR.

Next you'll equate being told 'Happy Holidays' at Sears to being fed to the lions. Stop this victim mentality.

(06-21-2015 04:00 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Next you'll equate being told 'Happy Holidays' at Sears to being fed to the lions. Stop this victim mentality.

Interesting coming from a gay rights supporter....

(06-21-2015 03:55 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Really? This is a 'scary line'? It's an HR memo, they're all worthless, ignored, and deleted without reading. Let's keep the hyperbole about 'Nazi Tactics' to a minimum, unless of course you don't wish to be taken seriously by any objective observer.

It what world do you live in? HR memos have a compliance expectation element to them, comply or "pursue other opportunities".

(06-21-2015 04:04 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-21-2015 04:00 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Next you'll equate being told 'Happy Holidays' at Sears to being fed to the lions. Stop this victim mentality.

Interesting coming from a gay rights supporter....

Yeah, the point was to highlight the hypocrisy many of the socially conservative posters have around here. On that same note, out of all the responses of people decrying this admitted idiotic HR memo, not a single poster has stated they work at Goldmans or that this will affect them in any way, shape, or form.

It won't affect you either, you just want to be claimed that you're being victimized, and therefore are searching it out.

(06-21-2015 04:07 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-21-2015 03:55 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Really? This is a 'scary line'? It's an HR memo, they're all worthless, ignored, and deleted without reading. Let's keep the hyperbole about 'Nazi Tactics' to a minimum, unless of course you don't wish to be taken seriously by any objective observer.

It what world do you live in? HR memos have a compliance expectation element to them, comply or "pursue other opportunities".

I worked for the largest real estate corporation in the world for a few years, got similar memos like this all the time. They went straight into my junk email folder and deleted. Not a single thing was ever said to me, nor did I witness a single person ever take these memos seriously, including the HR reps themselves. Admittedly that is anecdotal, but this sort of memo in no way comes off as it has any 'compliance expectation', and in reality just reeks of something they did so on a corporate level they can brag about their "Progressive Policies".

But if you wish to act as if what you said wasn't absurd hyperbole, I would love for you to explain to a Holocaust survivor how this HR memo reminds you of the Gestapo. I'm sure they would give you a little perspective on things.

(06-21-2015 04:15 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(06-21-2015 04:07 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-21-2015 03:55 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Really? This is a 'scary line'? It's an HR memo, they're all worthless, ignored, and deleted without reading. Let's keep the hyperbole about 'Nazi Tactics' to a minimum, unless of course you don't wish to be taken seriously by any objective observer.

It what world do you live in? HR memos have a compliance expectation element to them, comply or "pursue other opportunities".

I worked for the largest real estate corporation in the world for a few years, got similar memos like this all the time. They went straight into my junk email folder and deleted. Not a single thing was ever said to me, nor did I witness a single person ever take these memos seriously, including the HR reps themselves. Admittedly that is anecdotal, but this sort of memo in no way comes off as it has any 'compliance expectation', and in reality just reeks of something they did so on a corporate level they can brag about their "Progressive Policies".

But if you wish to act as if what you said wasn't absurd hyperbole, I would love for you to explain to a Holocaust survivor how this HR memo reminds you of the Gestapo. I'm sure they would give you a little perspective on things.

I have a friend who had the misfortune of working for a company that was acquired by a West Coast based company. One of the first "meaningless" HR memos sent to the employees in the southeast was a "tolerance" memo that said Religious expressions were not acceptable on the job. A co-worker of that friend had to take medical leave do to illness. Knowing the co-worker was a Christian, my friend sent an e-mail from his company e-mail account to that co-worker saying he would pray for him.

A few days later, he was reprimanded for violating the no Religious expression memo. The company he works for monitors e-mail for any words considered Religious expression.

(06-21-2015 04:26 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-21-2015 04:15 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(06-21-2015 04:07 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-21-2015 03:55 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Really? This is a 'scary line'? It's an HR memo, they're all worthless, ignored, and deleted without reading. Let's keep the hyperbole about 'Nazi Tactics' to a minimum, unless of course you don't wish to be taken seriously by any objective observer.

It what world do you live in? HR memos have a compliance expectation element to them, comply or "pursue other opportunities".

I worked for the largest real estate corporation in the world for a few years, got similar memos like this all the time. They went straight into my junk email folder and deleted. Not a single thing was ever said to me, nor did I witness a single person ever take these memos seriously, including the HR reps themselves. Admittedly that is anecdotal, but this sort of memo in no way comes off as it has any 'compliance expectation', and in reality just reeks of something they did so on a corporate level they can brag about their "Progressive Policies".

But if you wish to act as if what you said wasn't absurd hyperbole, I would love for you to explain to a Holocaust survivor how this HR memo reminds you of the Gestapo. I'm sure they would give you a little perspective on things.

I have a friend who had the misfortune of working for a company that was acquired by a West Coast based company. One of the first "meaningless" HR memos sent to the employees in the southeast was a "tolerance" memo that said Religious expressions were not acceptable on the job. A co-worker of that friend had to take medical leave do to illness. Knowing the co-worker was a Christian, my friend sent an e-mail from his company e-mail account to that co-worker saying he would pray for him.

A few days later, he was reprimanded for violating the no Religious expression memo. The company he works for monitors e-mail for any words considered Religious expression.

What company?

I'm sure I could find information backing up your friends claim if this is true, but quite frankly, I'm calling BS. I've never seen any organization, outside of maybe those in national security, actively monitoring their emails in this fashion. It's costly, time consuming, and quite frankly, even the NSA can't do it well. This just reeks of one of those anecdotes that never occurred, like the ole 'I knew a guy who had a robber cut their hand while breaking into their house, and he sued them and won for the injury!', which of course never happened.

EDIT: Actually, the only way I could see this happening is if the coworker actually complained to HR about your friends email.

(06-21-2015 04:32 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(06-21-2015 04:26 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-21-2015 04:15 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(06-21-2015 04:07 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-21-2015 03:55 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Really? This is a 'scary line'? It's an HR memo, they're all worthless, ignored, and deleted without reading. Let's keep the hyperbole about 'Nazi Tactics' to a minimum, unless of course you don't wish to be taken seriously by any objective observer.

It what world do you live in? HR memos have a compliance expectation element to them, comply or "pursue other opportunities".

I worked for the largest real estate corporation in the world for a few years, got similar memos like this all the time. They went straight into my junk email folder and deleted. Not a single thing was ever said to me, nor did I witness a single person ever take these memos seriously, including the HR reps themselves. Admittedly that is anecdotal, but this sort of memo in no way comes off as it has any 'compliance expectation', and in reality just reeks of something they did so on a corporate level they can brag about their "Progressive Policies".

But if you wish to act as if what you said wasn't absurd hyperbole, I would love for you to explain to a Holocaust survivor how this HR memo reminds you of the Gestapo. I'm sure they would give you a little perspective on things.

I have a friend who had the misfortune of working for a company that was acquired by a West Coast based company. One of the first "meaningless" HR memos sent to the employees in the southeast was a "tolerance" memo that said Religious expressions were not acceptable on the job. A co-worker of that friend had to take medical leave do to illness. Knowing the co-worker was a Christian, my friend sent an e-mail from his company e-mail account to that co-worker saying he would pray for him.

A few days later, he was reprimanded for violating the no Religious expression memo. The company he works for monitors e-mail for any words considered Religious expression.

What company?

I'm sure I could find information backing up your friends claim if this is true, but quite frankly, I'm calling BS. I've never seen any organization, outside of maybe those in national security, actively monitoring their emails in this fashion. It's costly, time consuming, and quite frankly, even the NSA can't do it well. This just reeks of one of those anecdotes that never occurred, like the ole 'I knew a guy who had a robber cut their hand while breaking into their house, and he sued them and won for the injury!', which of course never happened.

EDIT: Actually, the only way I could see this happening is if the coworker actually complained to HR about your friends email.

A couple of points here, first the same can be said of your claim of HR memos. Second, you clearly don't know much about IT. Security software to monitor e-mail content is pretty basic stuff. The company in question is well known for supporting the gay community.

(06-21-2015 05:03 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-21-2015 04:32 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(06-21-2015 04:26 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-21-2015 04:15 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(06-21-2015 04:07 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  It what world do you live in? HR memos have a compliance expectation element to them, comply or "pursue other opportunities".

I worked for the largest real estate corporation in the world for a few years, got similar memos like this all the time. They went straight into my junk email folder and deleted. Not a single thing was ever said to me, nor did I witness a single person ever take these memos seriously, including the HR reps themselves. Admittedly that is anecdotal, but this sort of memo in no way comes off as it has any 'compliance expectation', and in reality just reeks of something they did so on a corporate level they can brag about their "Progressive Policies".

But if you wish to act as if what you said wasn't absurd hyperbole, I would love for you to explain to a Holocaust survivor how this HR memo reminds you of the Gestapo. I'm sure they would give you a little perspective on things.

I have a friend who had the misfortune of working for a company that was acquired by a West Coast based company. One of the first "meaningless" HR memos sent to the employees in the southeast was a "tolerance" memo that said Religious expressions were not acceptable on the job. A co-worker of that friend had to take medical leave do to illness. Knowing the co-worker was a Christian, my friend sent an e-mail from his company e-mail account to that co-worker saying he would pray for him.

A few days later, he was reprimanded for violating the no Religious expression memo. The company he works for monitors e-mail for any words considered Religious expression.

What company?

I'm sure I could find information backing up your friends claim if this is true, but quite frankly, I'm calling BS. I've never seen any organization, outside of maybe those in national security, actively monitoring their emails in this fashion. It's costly, time consuming, and quite frankly, even the NSA can't do it well. This just reeks of one of those anecdotes that never occurred, like the ole 'I knew a guy who had a robber cut their hand while breaking into their house, and he sued them and won for the injury!', which of course never happened.

EDIT: Actually, the only way I could see this happening is if the coworker actually complained to HR about your friends email.

A couple of points here, first the same can be said of your claim of HR memos. Second, you clearly don't know much about IT. Security software to monitor e-mail content is pretty basic stuff. The company in question is well known for supporting the gay community.

From your perspective, sure, but I know what I did/experienced, so I definitely value that more than the anonymous person on the internet who's 'friend' claimed to work for a company that you won't even name. If you'd name the company, I'm sure I could look around and find any other supporting information about their policies like that.

So, what company?

EDIT: Also, I've never seen 'monitoring' emails to mean 'actively reading the emails you write without any provocation/reason'. IME, it's always similar to security footage. It's never watched unless there is a reason to watch it.

As I've said before, the thought police are everywhere. We have to run everything that they say through a PC filter in our brain and God help anyone who doesn't have a good filter.

This is more evidence that we're less free than we were 40 years ago.

(06-21-2015 05:39 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  As I've said before, the thought police are everywhere. We have to run everything that we say through a PC filter in our brain and God help anyone who doesn't have a good filter.

This is more evidence that we're less free than we were 40 years ago.

The only thing evidenced in your post is your lack of critical thinking and proper historical context.

(06-21-2015 02:23 PM)Paul M Wrote:  I would tell Goldman don't police my language thank you very much. Husbands and wives are exactly that. And partner is extremely exclusionary being as how damn near everyone is not a partner but a husband/wife, boyfriend/girlfriend.

Partner is a silly word to use for heterosexual couples. It's been used to describe gay couples. Leave it that way.

I'm not going to call married people partners and I'm not going to call gay partners married.

Even though I'm not going to make this a bigger deal than it actually is, I agree.