(06-07-2015 01:56 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 08:49 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  Buffalo probably can't afford politically to block anyone else in the SUNY system from joining the MAC.

Now if Stony Brook is 13, who is 14? This seems very odd to have UMass walk unless if Stony Brook was willing to leave America East - the MAC would be an upgrade athletically for Stony Brook, but it greatly changes the travel dynamic for both Stony Brook and the MAC.

First, if Stony Brook wants in the MAC, I don't think they are going to be worried about travel or leaving the America East. A move to the MAC would be a major upgrade. Sure there would be some concerns to be worked out but they are small potatoes.

Second, I imagine the MAC would have many, many choices for #14. Most of the usual suspects mentioned as possible move ups, including JMU, Liberty and probably Albany for the SUNY trifecta. I also believe the MAC might have some options that aren't new to FBS depending on how realignment shakes out over the proceeding years since Stony Brook is years away from being considered.

Stony Brook and the MAC know the lessons of Temple and UMass well. The MAC doesn't stir any excitement in the East. An FBS East coast conference would be marginally better than the MAC, especially with TV contracts, bowls, and drive able rivals. The MAC doesn't want to be used and abused anymore by East coast schools. Maybe five CAA schools would work in a division with Buffalo, if the MAC went to three divisions, but NCAA rules doñt currently allow a four team conference playoff and the playoff monèy is diluted.

(06-07-2015 03:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 01:59 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 01:56 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 08:49 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  Buffalo probably can't afford politically to block anyone else in the SUNY system from joining the MAC.

Now if Stony Brook is 13, who is 14? This seems very odd to have UMass walk unless if Stony Brook was willing to leave America East - the MAC would be an upgrade athletically for Stony Brook, but it greatly changes the travel dynamic for both Stony Brook and the MAC.

First, if Stony Brook wants in the MAC, I don't think they are going to be worried about travel or leaving the America East. A move to the MAC would be a major upgrade. Sure there would be some concerns to be worked out but they are small potatoes.

Second, I imagine the MAC would have many, many choices for #14. Most of the usual suspects mentioned as possible move ups, including JMU, Liberty and probably Albany for the SUNY trifecta. I also believe the MAC might have some options that aren't new to FBS depending on how realignment shakes out over the proceeding years since Stony Brook is years away from being considered.

It would be JMU. The MAC already vetted JMU and was ready to issue an invite had UMass accepted full membership. Liberty is a non-starter for the MAC, having been voted on a few years ago and getting no support. JMU has made it pretty clear that the MAC is their choice as well.

Of course, what incentive does the MAC have to go beyond 12? They have a new TV deal, so that wouldn't be a motivator.

Stony Brook, U. Mass., Delaware, New Hampshire, James Madison, Liberty on the east. Northern Iowa, Missouri State, Illinois State, North Dakota State, Southern Illinois and Indiana State in the west are candidates. Wayne State Michigan could be one as well.

Northern Illinois, Central Michigan, Ohio U., Buffalo and Toledo could graduate to an upgrade conference.

Stop talking about schools you have no clue about. Just stop.

You do realize Wayne State is D2 right?

I kind of wish Delaware would stop showing up on these things, because they aren't budging. Sure, they studied it. A LOT of schools studied FBS. That's due diligence. They also studied this just as or soon after some of the biggest and final FBS moves were made, so it's not like anything is all that fresh. Delaware's study came before JMU, iirc, so it should say something that JMU's flirting with the upgrade while Delaware's mum.

Delaware did the work, and didn't like their findings enough to move on anything.

Could they reenter that fold? I'm sure to get ahead or keep pace with certain other schools, they reopen matters. Like, what has to happen to CAA or CAAF to move them? I doubt they're ahead of schools like JMU, Missouri State, etc...because those guys have probably shown actual commitment on the subject. With Delaware, I don't know...the venues would be seeing some renovations, I would think. That's the sort of "smoke" that goes with these things.

(06-08-2015 10:48 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I kind of wish Delaware would stop showing up on these things, because they aren't budging. Sure, they studied it. A LOT of schools studied FBS. That's due diligence. They also studied this just as or soon after some of the biggest and final FBS moves were made, so it's not like anything is all that fresh. Delaware's study came before JMU, iirc, so it should say something that JMU's flirting with the upgrade while Delaware's mum.

Delaware did the work, and didn't like their findings enough to move on anything.

Could they reenter that fold? I'm sure to get ahead or keep pace with certain other schools, they reopen matters. Like, what has to happen to CAA or CAAF to move them? I doubt they're ahead of schools like JMU, Missouri State, etc...because those guys have probably shown actual commitment on the subject. With Delaware, I don't know...the venues would be seeing some renovations, I would think. That's the sort of "smoke" that goes with these things.

http://www.delawareonline.com/story/spor...s/8125459/

Delaware honors its research and academic side to go to the Sun Belt. The MAC may be better, but UD probably values its CAA brethren too much to move outside that group. But if JMU, Stony Brook, Albany, UNH, and maybe Towson have plans if FBS move up rules changed, Delaware would have to go, as only Richmond, Will & Mary, and Nova would be left in its neighborhood. JMU and Delaware will likely move as a tandem, whatever they decide. Delaware's influence is probably a major barrier for JMU going to the Sun Belt.

(06-07-2015 08:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 01:56 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 08:49 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  Buffalo probably can't afford politically to block anyone else in the SUNY system from joining the MAC.

Now if Stony Brook is 13, who is 14? This seems very odd to have UMass walk unless if Stony Brook was willing to leave America East - the MAC would be an upgrade athletically for Stony Brook, but it greatly changes the travel dynamic for both Stony Brook and the MAC.

First, if Stony Brook wants in the MAC, I don't think they are going to be worried about travel or leaving the America East. A move to the MAC would be a major upgrade. Sure there would be some concerns to be worked out but they are small potatoes.

Second, I imagine the MAC would have many, many choices for #14. Most of the usual suspects mentioned as possible move ups, including JMU, Liberty and probably Albany for the SUNY trifecta. I also believe the MAC might have some options that aren't new to FBS depending on how realignment shakes out over the proceeding years since Stony Brook is years away from being considered.

Stony Brook and the MAC know the lessons of Temple and UMass well. The MAC doesn't stir any excitement in the East. An FBS East coast conference would be marginally better than the MAC, especially with TV contracts, bowls, and drive able rivals. The MAC doesn't want to be used and abused anymore by East coast schools. Maybe five CAA schools would work in a division with Buffalo, if the MAC went to three divisions, but NCAA rules doñt currently allow a four team conference playoff and the playoff monèy is diluted.

First, there was no lesson learned from Temple. They got a better offer and left, nothing new. UMass decided to prioritize basketball. We agree that, if anything, the MAC might shy away from football-only offers. No reason to try and out think the room. The obvious reasons aren't hiding deeper significant meaning.
Again, joining the MAC fully shouldn't be a problem for Stony Brook if they are serious. The MAC keeps on keeping on. They certainly aren't sweating losing East coast schools or what Stony Brook's plans might hold. Lets be clear, almost all conferences contain teams that interest your fan base and plenty that don't.
Second, an East Coast conference of a bunch of move-ups or teams currently in separate FBS conferences isn't happening. Stony Brook would have an in-state rival with Buffalo. That is more than many FBS schools can say and travel is part of the game. This isn't a new revelation.
Finally, there aren't 5 FCS schools (much less CAA schools) capable of being successful upon moving up.

(06-08-2015 09:45 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 08:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 01:56 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 08:49 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  Buffalo probably can't afford politically to block anyone else in the SUNY system from joining the MAC.

Now if Stony Brook is 13, who is 14? This seems very odd to have UMass walk unless if Stony Brook was willing to leave America East - the MAC would be an upgrade athletically for Stony Brook, but it greatly changes the travel dynamic for both Stony Brook and the MAC.

First, if Stony Brook wants in the MAC, I don't think they are going to be worried about travel or leaving the America East. A move to the MAC would be a major upgrade. Sure there would be some concerns to be worked out but they are small potatoes.

Second, I imagine the MAC would have many, many choices for #14. Most of the usual suspects mentioned as possible move ups, including JMU, Liberty and probably Albany for the SUNY trifecta. I also believe the MAC might have some options that aren't new to FBS depending on how realignment shakes out over the proceeding years since Stony Brook is years away from being considered.

Stony Brook and the MAC know the lessons of Temple and UMass well. The MAC doesn't stir any excitement in the East. An FBS East coast conference would be marginally better than the MAC, especially with TV contracts, bowls, and drive able rivals. The MAC doesn't want to be used and abused anymore by East coast schools. Maybe five CAA schools would work in a division with Buffalo, if the MAC went to three divisions, but NCAA rules doñt currently allow a four team conference playoff and the playoff monèy is diluted.

First, there was no lesson learned from Temple. They got a better offer and left, nothing new. UMass decided to prioritize basketball. We agree that, if anything, the MAC might shy away from football-only offers. No reason to try and out think the room. The obvious reasons aren't hiding deeper significant meaning.
Again, joining the MAC fully shouldn't be a problem for Stony Brook if they are serious. The MAC keeps on keeping on. They certainly aren't sweating losing East coast schools or what Stony Brook's plans might hold. Lets be clear, almost all conferences contain teams that interest your fan base and plenty that don't.
Second, an East Coast conference of a bunch of move-ups or teams currently in separate FBS conferences isn't happening. Stony Brook would have an in-state rival with Buffalo. That is more than many FBS schools can say and travel is part of the game. This isn't a new revelation.
Finally, there aren't 5 FCS schools (much less CAA schools) capable of being successful upon moving up.

Apparently, Mo St, E Kentucky, Coastal Carolina, Liberty, and JMU are not move up candidates by your book. All have been linked to the Sun Belt.

The MAC is weary of East Coast schools that want to use the MAC as a stepping stone. Surely you can see that. Stony Brook wouldn't be any different.

You left off Jax St. That makes at least 6

(06-07-2015 10:43 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-04-2015 04:46 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-01-2015 09:13 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-01-2015 08:52 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-01-2015 06:34 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Dunno about no one. Bill & Mary and Richmond could go back to the SoCon. They would be with like-minded institutions with similar missions and size.

Richmond still could get an invite to the Big East. The football? Could the Big East sponsor football at the FCS level and give out scholarship like the Patriot?

They could, but probably wont. They currently have three members that play football. Villanova is in the CAA and is either at or near the full 63 allotment. Georgetown is in the Patriot League but chooses not to offer football scholarships. Butler plays in the non-scholarship Pioneer League. Even if they added Richmond they would only have four members.

I think Georgetown will be leaving the Patriot to the Pioneer. Patriot is now offering scholarships for football.

I doubt it. In the past ten years the furthest that Georgetown have traveled to play a football game is to North Charleston, SC to play Charleston Southern. They don't want to spend the money required to have to send the team to Florida once a year and to Iowa and California every other year.

They aren't worried about being uncompetitive in the Patriot League because they haven't been competitive since the late 1990's.

Talking about putting their football in the Patriot League. There are a lot of schools in that area, plus they can still play Patriot and Ivy League and not worried about playing Stetson or Jacksonville.

(06-07-2015 09:01 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 03:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 01:59 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 01:56 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 08:49 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  Buffalo probably can't afford politically to block anyone else in the SUNY system from joining the MAC.

Now if Stony Brook is 13, who is 14? This seems very odd to have UMass walk unless if Stony Brook was willing to leave America East - the MAC would be an upgrade athletically for Stony Brook, but it greatly changes the travel dynamic for both Stony Brook and the MAC.

First, if Stony Brook wants in the MAC, I don't think they are going to be worried about travel or leaving the America East. A move to the MAC would be a major upgrade. Sure there would be some concerns to be worked out but they are small potatoes.

Second, I imagine the MAC would have many, many choices for #14. Most of the usual suspects mentioned as possible move ups, including JMU, Liberty and probably Albany for the SUNY trifecta. I also believe the MAC might have some options that aren't new to FBS depending on how realignment shakes out over the proceeding years since Stony Brook is years away from being considered.

It would be JMU. The MAC already vetted JMU and was ready to issue an invite had UMass accepted full membership. Liberty is a non-starter for the MAC, having been voted on a few years ago and getting no support. JMU has made it pretty clear that the MAC is their choice as well.

Of course, what incentive does the MAC have to go beyond 12? They have a new TV deal, so that wouldn't be a motivator.

Stony Brook, U. Mass., Delaware, New Hampshire, James Madison, Liberty on the east. Northern Iowa, Missouri State, Illinois State, North Dakota State, Southern Illinois and Indiana State in the west are candidates. Wayne State Michigan could be one as well.

Northern Illinois, Central Michigan, Ohio U., Buffalo and Toledo could graduate to an upgrade conference.

Stop talking about schools you have no clue about. Just stop.

You do realize Wayne State is D2 right?

http://wsuathletics.com/hof.aspx?hof=93&path=&kiosk=

Quote: In 1947 Wayne joined the MAC as a charter member,

They could have been a founded member of the Big 10 as well.

Quote:The MAC was founded as a five-school league on February 24, 1946 in Columbus, Ohio with Ohio, Butler, Cincinnati, Wayne State and Western Reserve admitted as charter members.

If schools like Charlotte could rejoin C-USA? What would stop Wayne State, Michigan from rejoining? With over 30,000 students? They could fit in with the MAC again. They might have more students than most of the rest of the MAC schools.

(06-08-2015 10:06 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 09:45 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 08:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 01:56 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 08:49 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  Buffalo probably can't afford politically to block anyone else in the SUNY system from joining the MAC.

Now if Stony Brook is 13, who is 14? This seems very odd to have UMass walk unless if Stony Brook was willing to leave America East - the MAC would be an upgrade athletically for Stony Brook, but it greatly changes the travel dynamic for both Stony Brook and the MAC.

First, if Stony Brook wants in the MAC, I don't think they are going to be worried about travel or leaving the America East. A move to the MAC would be a major upgrade. Sure there would be some concerns to be worked out but they are small potatoes.

Second, I imagine the MAC would have many, many choices for #14. Most of the usual suspects mentioned as possible move ups, including JMU, Liberty and probably Albany for the SUNY trifecta. I also believe the MAC might have some options that aren't new to FBS depending on how realignment shakes out over the proceeding years since Stony Brook is years away from being considered.

Stony Brook and the MAC know the lessons of Temple and UMass well. The MAC doesn't stir any excitement in the East. An FBS East coast conference would be marginally better than the MAC, especially with TV contracts, bowls, and drive able rivals. The MAC doesn't want to be used and abused anymore by East coast schools. Maybe five CAA schools would work in a division with Buffalo, if the MAC went to three divisions, but NCAA rules doñt currently allow a four team conference playoff and the playoff monèy is diluted.

First, there was no lesson learned from Temple. They got a better offer and left, nothing new. UMass decided to prioritize basketball. We agree that, if anything, the MAC might shy away from football-only offers. No reason to try and out think the room. The obvious reasons aren't hiding deeper significant meaning.
Again, joining the MAC fully shouldn't be a problem for Stony Brook if they are serious. The MAC keeps on keeping on. They certainly aren't sweating losing East coast schools or what Stony Brook's plans might hold. Lets be clear, almost all conferences contain teams that interest your fan base and plenty that don't.
Second, an East Coast conference of a bunch of move-ups or teams currently in separate FBS conferences isn't happening. Stony Brook would have an in-state rival with Buffalo. That is more than many FBS schools can say and travel is part of the game. This isn't a new revelation.
Finally, there aren't 5 FCS schools (much less CAA schools) capable of being successful upon moving up.

Apparently, Mo St, E Kentucky, Coastal Carolina, Liberty, and JMU are not move up candidates by your book. All have been linked to the Sun Belt.

The MAC is weary of East Coast schools that want to use the MAC as a stepping stone. Surely you can see that. Stony Brook wouldn't be any different.

Being linked to moving to the Sun Belt=successful FBS team?

Those first three teams would struggle for years. Their facilities are comparatively poor to much of the rest of FBS. I actually don't think the Sun Belt is serious about EKU or Coastal and I don't think Missouri St. is serious about moving up. Missouri State hasn't made the FCS playoffs in over 2 decades, what about that record says successful move up?

Just a year or so ago the MAC invited UMass to be an all-sports member and JMU, another east coast school, was rumored to be #14. It doesn't sound like they were weary of East Coast schools at all. JMU would take an invite tomorrow. The MAC is just continuing to look for schools that add value.

(06-09-2015 04:11 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 09:01 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 03:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 01:59 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 01:56 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  First, if Stony Brook wants in the MAC, I don't think they are going to be worried about travel or leaving the America East. A move to the MAC would be a major upgrade. Sure there would be some concerns to be worked out but they are small potatoes.

Second, I imagine the MAC would have many, many choices for #14. Most of the usual suspects mentioned as possible move ups, including JMU, Liberty and probably Albany for the SUNY trifecta. I also believe the MAC might have some options that aren't new to FBS depending on how realignment shakes out over the proceeding years since Stony Brook is years away from being considered.

It would be JMU. The MAC already vetted JMU and was ready to issue an invite had UMass accepted full membership. Liberty is a non-starter for the MAC, having been voted on a few years ago and getting no support. JMU has made it pretty clear that the MAC is their choice as well.

Of course, what incentive does the MAC have to go beyond 12? They have a new TV deal, so that wouldn't be a motivator.

Stony Brook, U. Mass., Delaware, New Hampshire, James Madison, Liberty on the east. Northern Iowa, Missouri State, Illinois State, North Dakota State, Southern Illinois and Indiana State in the west are candidates. Wayne State Michigan could be one as well.

Northern Illinois, Central Michigan, Ohio U., Buffalo and Toledo could graduate to an upgrade conference.

Stop talking about schools you have no clue about. Just stop.

You do realize Wayne State is D2 right?

http://wsuathletics.com/hof.aspx?hof=93&path=&kiosk=

Quote: In 1947 Wayne joined the MAC as a charter member,

They could have been a founded member of the Big 10 as well.

Quote:The MAC was founded as a five-school league on February 24, 1946 in Columbus, Ohio with Ohio, Butler, Cincinnati, Wayne State and Western Reserve admitted as charter members.

If schools like Charlotte could rejoin C-USA? What would stop Wayne State, Michigan from rejoining? With over 30,000 students? They could fit in with the MAC again. They might have more students than most of the rest of the MAC schools.

No...... They are D-2 for a reason. No one gives a **** about Wayne State. It's a commuter school in the hood of Detroit. They are going no where any where except for D-2. Just because something happened 70 years ago, doesn't mean it will happen again.

Please stop talking about the MAC, because you have no idea what is going on.

(06-10-2015 12:21 AM)utpotts Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 04:11 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 09:01 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 03:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 01:59 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  It would be JMU. The MAC already vetted JMU and was ready to issue an invite had UMass accepted full membership. Liberty is a non-starter for the MAC, having been voted on a few years ago and getting no support. JMU has made it pretty clear that the MAC is their choice as well.

Of course, what incentive does the MAC have to go beyond 12? They have a new TV deal, so that wouldn't be a motivator.

Stony Brook, U. Mass., Delaware, New Hampshire, James Madison, Liberty on the east. Northern Iowa, Missouri State, Illinois State, North Dakota State, Southern Illinois and Indiana State in the west are candidates. Wayne State Michigan could be one as well.

Northern Illinois, Central Michigan, Ohio U., Buffalo and Toledo could graduate to an upgrade conference.

Stop talking about schools you have no clue about. Just stop.

You do realize Wayne State is D2 right?

http://wsuathletics.com/hof.aspx?hof=93&path=&kiosk=

Quote: In 1947 Wayne joined the MAC as a charter member,

They could have been a founded member of the Big 10 as well.

Quote:The MAC was founded as a five-school league on February 24, 1946 in Columbus, Ohio with Ohio, Butler, Cincinnati, Wayne State and Western Reserve admitted as charter members.

If schools like Charlotte could rejoin C-USA? What would stop Wayne State, Michigan from rejoining? With over 30,000 students? They could fit in with the MAC again. They might have more students than most of the rest of the MAC schools.

No...... They are D-2 for a reason. No one gives a **** about Wayne State. It's a commuter school in the hood of Detroit. They are going no where any where except for D-2. Just because something happened 70 years ago, doesn't mean it will happen again.

Please stop talking about the MAC, because you have no idea what is going on.

Actually, they are one of the teams that could make the move back up to D1 with 30,000 + students. They are too big for D2 like Cal-San Diego and others.

What impact does a school's mission have on its enrollment, and mission to athletics? What should enrollment have to do with athletics?

There are community colleges with tens of thousands of students, dwarfing some top D1 programs in overall size. Should they look into the business of D1 athletics because of that?

Wayne State has some of the qualities of what could work at D1. But, maybe other qualities they retain because they aren't facing those stressors...

Wayne State isn't even Division 1 for men's basketball while Oakland U, a much smaller school is. No one in Detroit cares about Wayne State, its a commuter school and that's it. Even D2 Grand Valley State has better chance of moving up before Wayne State.

(06-10-2015 01:17 PM)utpotts Wrote:  Wayne State isn't even Division 1 for men's basketball while Oakland U, a much smaller school is. No one in Detroit cares about Wayne State, its a commuter school and that's it. Even D2 Grand Valley State has better chance of moving up before Wayne State.

Their academics are up there along the lines with the Big 10. They were invited to the meeting about creating the Big 10 conference. If they agree back then? They would be in the Big 10 right now, and a founding member. That is why they might be more supportive by the Big 10 if they moved up. They could turn their men and women's club LaCrosse teams into varsity, and join the Big 10 as an affiliate in LaCrosse. Plus, there is not even an FCS football team in Michigan.

Plus everybody keeps saying that the MAC schools are nothing but commuter schools.

(06-11-2015 03:57 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 01:17 PM)utpotts Wrote:  Wayne State isn't even Division 1 for men's basketball while Oakland U, a much smaller school is. No one in Detroit cares about Wayne State, its a commuter school and that's it. Even D2 Grand Valley State has better chance of moving up before Wayne State.

Their academics are up there along the lines with the Big 10. They were invited to the meeting about creating the Big 10 conference. If they agree back then? They would be in the Big 10 right now, and a founding member. That is why they might be more supportive by the Big 10 if they moved up. They could turn their men and women's club LaCrosse teams into varsity, and join the Big 10 as an affiliate in LaCrosse. Plus, there is not even an FCS football team in Michigan.

Plus everybody keeps saying that the MAC schools are nothing but commuter schools.

Wow...... You are just dense.

And last time I checked, schools like Ball State, Central Michigan, Ohio and Miami are far from commuter schools, just based on location.

This is like talking to a damn brick wall.

(05-30-2015 06:36 AM)NoDak Wrote:  http://brook.land/2015/05/athletics-unve...year-plan/

With JMU, Liberty, Towson, Delaware, maybe Villanova, Stony Brook, Albany, UMass, Youngstown St, and UNH, a nice east coast conference can be formed. Stony Brook has long expressed FBS ambitions.

Throw in Kennesaw St and Jacksonville St further south and it starts looking like the FBS conference the CAA was going to start before ODU and Ga St bolted and Charlotte and App St got away.

These look like FCS facilities. Seems like they are doing what is necessary to keep up.

Don't be fooled by the lights. Yeah, those look cheap...probably because at this phase, they're the most expendable amenity and upgrade, and the easiest to adjust for. FCS teams don't have to worry much about catering toward media scheduling, and being on the island as SBU is, it's going to be a challenge for anyone to want to play games there at night, FCS or FBS.

(06-08-2015 08:43 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 10:48 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I kind of wish Delaware would stop showing up on these things, because they aren't budging. Sure, they studied it. A LOT of schools studied FBS. That's due diligence. They also studied this just as or soon after some of the biggest and final FBS moves were made, so it's not like anything is all that fresh. Delaware's study came before JMU, iirc, so it should say something that JMU's flirting with the upgrade while Delaware's mum.

Delaware did the work, and didn't like their findings enough to move on anything.

Could they reenter that fold? I'm sure to get ahead or keep pace with certain other schools, they reopen matters. Like, what has to happen to CAA or CAAF to move them? I doubt they're ahead of schools like JMU, Missouri State, etc...because those guys have probably shown actual commitment on the subject. With Delaware, I don't know...the venues would be seeing some renovations, I would think. That's the sort of "smoke" that goes with these things.

http://www.delawareonline.com/story/spor...s/8125459/

Delaware honors its research and academic side to go to the Sun Belt. The MAC may be better, but UD probably values its CAA brethren too much to move outside that group. But if JMU, Stony Brook, Albany, UNH, and maybe Towson have plans if FBS move up rules changed, Delaware would have to go, as only Richmond, Will & Mary, and Nova would be left in its neighborhood. JMU and Delaware will likely move as a tandem, whatever they decide. Delaware's influence is probably a major barrier for JMU going to the Sun Belt.

It seems jmu is very choosey about what circumstances under which they would move to fbs. So does stony brook unh albany and or towson have any plans or desires to move to fbs. I have never read anything of it.

(06-11-2015 12:52 PM)panama Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 06:36 AM)NoDak Wrote:  http://brook.land/2015/05/athletics-unve...year-plan/

With JMU, Liberty, Towson, Delaware, maybe Villanova, Stony Brook, Albany, UMass, Youngstown St, and UNH, a nice east coast conference can be formed. Stony Brook has long expressed FBS ambitions.

Throw in Kennesaw St and Jacksonville St further south and it starts looking like the FBS conference the CAA was going to start before ODU and Ga St bolted and Charlotte and App St got away.

These look like FCS facilities. Seems like they are doing what is necessary to keep up.

At least Stony Brook has their own facilities.