(06-08-2015 10:19 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Why do some people hate on them? Personally, I love it. I look forward to moving further out in the next decade or so.

Because Urban hipsters have to find something to complain about. I have lived in both, burbs and city. Where I live now is urban, a mix of educated folks with good jobs, homeless bums, heroin addicts, Gay/Lesbian crowd, illegals from Honduras, white, black all kinds of people. $1 dollar shuttle to downtown office. I can walk home from Downtown if I want to. Had my Jeep for 15 months, only 6,000 miles on it.












I can walk to bars, restaurants, coffee shop, brew house, booze stores, no yard work, no 8am leaf blowers. I got so dam tired of driving everywhere. I can walk to get ***** also.

(06-08-2015 04:25 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Emergency responders say it's increasingly rare for drivers to move out of the way for fire trucks and ambulances. It's worst in urban areas. That's the ultimate in selfishness.

You have no idea.

I wish I had video of many responses I had over the years, although I would have to label the language in most of them as NSFW. One in particular sticks out......we are on a two lane highway and running right at the speed limit enroute to a car fire. About two miles out from the scene this woman pulls up to the stop sign, sees us coming with red lights a flashing and promptly pulls out in front of us. My engineer slams on the brakes to keep from t-boning her and we start to cussing. We then follow her to the scene, where when we get to the traffic cue from the incident we ease over to get in the oncoming lane to approach and she pulls out in it right in front of us, again causing us to slam on brakes. This time, however, a deputy who was already on scene sees her, pulls her over and writes her several tickets......failure to yield right of way to an emergency vehicle, unlawful passing, and a seat belt ticket. She raises all kinds of mortal hell with him on the side of the road, complains to his supervisor, and even complains to my chain of command that we instigated the entire deal. Needless to say the deputy asks me and my engineer to appear in traffic court so we do. After we testify the magistrate finds her guilty of all charges and tells her she's lucky that there wasn't more he could do to her than that.

(06-08-2015 05:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 04:25 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Emergency responders say it's increasingly rare for drivers to move out of the way for fire trucks and ambulances. It's worst in urban areas. That's the ultimate in selfishness.

You have no idea.

I wish I had video of many responses I had over the years, although I would have to label the language in most of them as NSFW. One in particular sticks out......we are on a two lane highway and running right at the speed limit enroute to a car fire. About two miles out from the scene this woman pulls up to the stop sign, sees us coming with red lights a flashing and promptly pulls out in front of us. My engineer slams on the brakes to keep from t-boning her and we start to cussing. We then follow her to the scene, where when we get to the traffic cue from the incident we ease over to get in the oncoming lane to approach and she pulls out in it right in front of us, again causing us to slam on brakes. This time, however, a deputy who was already on scene sees her, pulls her over and writes her several tickets......failure to yield right of way to an emergency vehicle, unlawful passing, and a seat belt ticket. She raises all kinds of mortal hell with him on the side of the road, complains to his supervisor, and even complains to my chain of command that we instigated the entire deal. Needless to say the deputy asks me and my engineer to appear in traffic court so we do. After we testify the magistrate finds her guilty of all charges and tells her she's lucky that there wasn't more he could do to her than that.

1) That's a heartwarming story. I'm glad she got what she deserved.

2) This behavior can be traced to the "me" culture of the 1960's. People no longer care about other people; it's all about me. The 1950's view on civic responsibility was thrown overboard.

(06-08-2015 05:48 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 10:19 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Why do some people hate on them? Personally, I love it. I look forward to moving further out in the next decade or so.

Because Urban hipsters have to find something to complain about. I have lived in both, burbs and city. Where I live now is urban, a mix of educated folks with good jobs, homeless bums, heroin addicts, Gay/Lesbian crowd, illegals from Honduras, white, black all kinds of people. $1 dollar shuttle to downtown office. I can walk home from Downtown if I want to. Had my Jeep for 15 months, only 6,000 miles on it.

I can walk to bars, restaurants, coffee shop, brew house, booze stores, no yard work, no 8am leaf blowers. I got so dam tired of driving everywhere. I can walk to get ***** also.

They aren't complaining for the sake of it. The ultimate requirement for a city great is decent people. Successful mass transit, a lively CBD and safe neighborhoods require individuals who value such things. Thus the complaints aren't so much that the 'burbs are bad, but that suburbanites are making a selfish decision that precludes the city from reaching its full potential.

(06-08-2015 07:38 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 05:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 04:25 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Emergency responders say it's increasingly rare for drivers to move out of the way for fire trucks and ambulances. It's worst in urban areas. That's the ultimate in selfishness.

You have no idea.

I wish I had video of many responses I had over the years, although I would have to label the language in most of them as NSFW. One in particular sticks out......we are on a two lane highway and running right at the speed limit enroute to a car fire. About two miles out from the scene this woman pulls up to the stop sign, sees us coming with red lights a flashing and promptly pulls out in front of us. My engineer slams on the brakes to keep from t-boning her and we start to cussing. We then follow her to the scene, where when we get to the traffic cue from the incident we ease over to get in the oncoming lane to approach and she pulls out in it right in front of us, again causing us to slam on brakes. This time, however, a deputy who was already on scene sees her, pulls her over and writes her several tickets......failure to yield right of way to an emergency vehicle, unlawful passing, and a seat belt ticket. She raises all kinds of mortal hell with him on the side of the road, complains to his supervisor, and even complains to my chain of command that we instigated the entire deal. Needless to say the deputy asks me and my engineer to appear in traffic court so we do. After we testify the magistrate finds her guilty of all charges and tells her she's lucky that there wasn't more he could do to her than that.

1) That's a heartwarming story. I'm glad she got what she deserved.

2) This behavior can be traced to the "me" culture of the 1960's. People no longer care about other people; it's all about me. The 1950's view on civic responsibility was thrown overboard.

spoken like a true old man...

(06-09-2015 10:39 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 07:38 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 05:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 04:25 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Emergency responders say it's increasingly rare for drivers to move out of the way for fire trucks and ambulances. It's worst in urban areas. That's the ultimate in selfishness.

You have no idea.

I wish I had video of many responses I had over the years, although I would have to label the language in most of them as NSFW. One in particular sticks out......we are on a two lane highway and running right at the speed limit enroute to a car fire. About two miles out from the scene this woman pulls up to the stop sign, sees us coming with red lights a flashing and promptly pulls out in front of us. My engineer slams on the brakes to keep from t-boning her and we start to cussing. We then follow her to the scene, where when we get to the traffic cue from the incident we ease over to get in the oncoming lane to approach and she pulls out in it right in front of us, again causing us to slam on brakes. This time, however, a deputy who was already on scene sees her, pulls her over and writes her several tickets......failure to yield right of way to an emergency vehicle, unlawful passing, and a seat belt ticket. She raises all kinds of mortal hell with him on the side of the road, complains to his supervisor, and even complains to my chain of command that we instigated the entire deal. Needless to say the deputy asks me and my engineer to appear in traffic court so we do. After we testify the magistrate finds her guilty of all charges and tells her she's lucky that there wasn't more he could do to her than that.

1) That's a heartwarming story. I'm glad she got what she deserved.

2) This behavior can be traced to the "me" culture of the 1960's. People no longer care about other people; it's all about me. The 1950's view on civic responsibility was thrown overboard.

spoken like a true old man...

That's the kindest thing you've ever said to me.

It has its pro's and con's.

I prefer the Rural areas during certain times of year. Urban areas simply have more interesting things to do.

As of now, I reside in a small town that's 2.9 square miles with 11,000 residents. I have a half acre of fenced land to grow my garden and let my dog and kids roam free. Wilderness and a lake is 2 blocks away. Lots of shops, restaurants in the down town area with religious services, schools, etc. NYC only 20 miles to the east. Ramapo mountains 3 miles to the west. Atlantic Ocean 50 miles to the southeast. It all comes at a price though!

i would like if the suburbs didn't exist and i think it's feasible for them not to, or at least to an extant in most major metropolitan areas. but with everything it begins with the people to realize they don't need to build a new house or live in a new subdivision a 45 minute commute to work each way. i'm most opposed to lack of wild space, not even for farms, just land that isn't for sale and isn't ever going to be used, by people. because that land is vital to people. we need to reclaim land, restore it, and never touch it. i'm not an expert at urbanization, nor is it even a hobby, but i know it's important.

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for starters, turn d.c back into a f*ckin' marsh

(06-10-2015 01:19 PM)Lush Wrote:  i would like if the suburbs didn't exist and i think it's feasible for them not to, or at least to an extant in most major metropolitan areas. but with everything it begins with the people to realize they don't need to build a new house or live in a new subdivision a 45 minute commute to work each way. i'm most opposed to lack of wild space, not even for farms, just land that isn't for sale and isn't ever going to be used, by people. because that land is vital to people. we need to reclaim land, restore it, and never touch it. i'm not an expert at urbanization, nor is it even a hobby, but i know it's important.

Good Lord. You're a Communist.

(06-10-2015 01:19 PM)Lush Wrote:  i would like if the suburbs didn't exist and i think it's feasible for them not to, or at least to an extant in most major metropolitan areas. but with everything it begins with the people to realize they don't need to build a new house or live in a new subdivision a 45 minute commute to work each way. i'm most opposed to lack of wild space, not even for farms, just land that isn't for sale and isn't ever going to be used, by people. because that land is vital to people. we need to reclaim land, restore it, and never touch it. i'm not an expert at urbanization, nor is it even a hobby, but i know it's important.

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for starters, turn d.c back into a f*ckin' marsh

What?

(06-10-2015 01:19 PM)Lush Wrote:  i would like if the suburbs didn't exist and i think it's feasible for them not to, or at least to an extant in most major metropolitan areas. but with everything it begins with the people to realize they don't need to build a new house or live in a new subdivision a 45 minute commute to work each way. i'm most opposed to lack of wild space, not even for farms, just land that isn't for sale and isn't ever going to be used, by people. because that land is vital to people. we need to reclaim land, restore it, and never touch it. i'm not an expert at urbanization, nor is it even a hobby, but i know it's important.

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for starters, turn d.c back into a f*ckin' marsh

You've gotta be trolling.

(06-10-2015 01:21 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 01:19 PM)Lush Wrote:  i would like if the suburbs didn't exist and i think it's feasible for them not to, or at least to an extant in most major metropolitan areas. but with everything it begins with the people to realize they don't need to build a new house or live in a new subdivision a 45 minute commute to work each way. i'm most opposed to lack of wild space, not even for farms, just land that isn't for sale and isn't ever going to be used, by people. because that land is vital to people. we need to reclaim land, restore it, and never touch it. i'm not an expert at urbanization, nor is it even a hobby, but i know it's important.

Good Lord. You're a Communist.

so having wild land isn't important?

(06-10-2015 01:46 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 01:21 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 01:19 PM)Lush Wrote:  i would like if the suburbs didn't exist and i think it's feasible for them not to, or at least to an extant in most major metropolitan areas. but with everything it begins with the people to realize they don't need to build a new house or live in a new subdivision a 45 minute commute to work each way. i'm most opposed to lack of wild space, not even for farms, just land that isn't for sale and isn't ever going to be used, by people. because that land is vital to people. we need to reclaim land, restore it, and never touch it. i'm not an expert at urbanization, nor is it even a hobby, but i know it's important.

Good Lord. You're a Communist.

so having wild land isn't important?

yes, but it is up to each's local government to control the zoning laws.

(06-10-2015 01:19 PM)Lush Wrote:  i would like if the suburbs didn't exist and i think it's feasible for them not to, or at least to an extant in most major metropolitan areas. but with everything it begins with the people to realize they don't need to build a new house or live in a new subdivision a 45 minute commute to work each way. i'm most opposed to lack of wild space, not even for farms, just land that isn't for sale and isn't ever going to be used, by people. because that land is vital to people. we need to reclaim land, restore it, and never touch it. i'm not an expert at urbanization, nor is it even a hobby, but i know it's important.

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for starters, turn d.c back into a f*ckin' marsh

This is how the fights between Suburban and Urban people start. Urban city dwellers telling Suburban people their neighborhood should not exist. Lush what you need to realize is that people are free to live where they want, send their kids to good suburban public schools. Urban people have long commutes also. Get on a plane and fly over the USA 95% of it is wild and open. The land isn't being used it is wide open.

Suburban America serves a vital role in housing and maintaining strong communities. Not everyone wants to live in Covington or Northside.

(06-10-2015 01:47 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 01:46 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 01:21 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 01:19 PM)Lush Wrote:  i would like if the suburbs didn't exist and i think it's feasible for them not to, or at least to an extant in most major metropolitan areas. but with everything it begins with the people to realize they don't need to build a new house or live in a new subdivision a 45 minute commute to work each way. i'm most opposed to lack of wild space, not even for farms, just land that isn't for sale and isn't ever going to be used, by people. because that land is vital to people. we need to reclaim land, restore it, and never touch it. i'm not an expert at urbanization, nor is it even a hobby, but i know it's important.

Good Lord. You're a Communist.

so having wild land isn't important?

yes, but it is up to each's local government to control the zoning laws.

i would never f*ck with free enterprise. but it is important for people to know why land should left alone. but that's probably the biggest downside with capitalism, how stupid people are. but i love capitalism. you take the good, you take the bad.... how's the rest go?

(06-10-2015 01:46 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 01:21 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 01:19 PM)Lush Wrote:  i would like if the suburbs didn't exist and i think it's feasible for them not to, or at least to an extant in most major metropolitan areas. but with everything it begins with the people to realize they don't need to build a new house or live in a new subdivision a 45 minute commute to work each way. i'm most opposed to lack of wild space, not even for farms, just land that isn't for sale and isn't ever going to be used, by people. because that land is vital to people. we need to reclaim land, restore it, and never touch it. i'm not an expert at urbanization, nor is it even a hobby, but i know it's important.

Good Lord. You're a Communist.

so having wild land isn't important?

This is such a clown post I'm not sure how to respond other than this.


Keep in mind that's just the federal land, not state owned. Ever been in an airplane?

(06-10-2015 01:56 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 01:47 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 01:46 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 01:21 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 01:19 PM)Lush Wrote:  i would like if the suburbs didn't exist and i think it's feasible for them not to, or at least to an extant in most major metropolitan areas. but with everything it begins with the people to realize they don't need to build a new house or live in a new subdivision a 45 minute commute to work each way. i'm most opposed to lack of wild space, not even for farms, just land that isn't for sale and isn't ever going to be used, by people. because that land is vital to people. we need to reclaim land, restore it, and never touch it. i'm not an expert at urbanization, nor is it even a hobby, but i know it's important.

Good Lord. You're a Communist.

so having wild land isn't important?

yes, but it is up to each's local government to control the zoning laws.

i would never f*ck with free enterprise. but it is important for people to know why land should left alone. but that's probably the biggest downside with capitalism, how stupid people are. but i love capitalism. you take the good, you take the bad.... how's the rest go?

You ever driven across this country? Flown across and looked out the window?

I think I have this right- if I recall correctly- if the US had the same basic population density of a city like Tokyo, every single person in the US could fit in a city the size of Houston.

That leaves a LOT of "wild land".

Good grief.

(06-10-2015 01:47 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 01:46 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 01:21 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 01:19 PM)Lush Wrote:  i would like if the suburbs didn't exist and i think it's feasible for them not to, or at least to an extant in most major metropolitan areas. but with everything it begins with the people to realize they don't need to build a new house or live in a new subdivision a 45 minute commute to work each way. i'm most opposed to lack of wild space, not even for farms, just land that isn't for sale and isn't ever going to be used, by people. because that land is vital to people. we need to reclaim land, restore it, and never touch it. i'm not an expert at urbanization, nor is it even a hobby, but i know it's important.

Good Lord. You're a Communist.

so having wild land isn't important?

yes, but it is up to each's local government to control the zoning laws.

I bet he wants that in the control of the UN.

(06-10-2015 02:09 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 01:47 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 01:46 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 01:21 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 01:19 PM)Lush Wrote:  i would like if the suburbs didn't exist and i think it's feasible for them not to, or at least to an extant in most major metropolitan areas. but with everything it begins with the people to realize they don't need to build a new house or live in a new subdivision a 45 minute commute to work each way. i'm most opposed to lack of wild space, not even for farms, just land that isn't for sale and isn't ever going to be used, by people. because that land is vital to people. we need to reclaim land, restore it, and never touch it. i'm not an expert at urbanization, nor is it even a hobby, but i know it's important.

Good Lord. You're a Communist.

so having wild land isn't important?

yes, but it is up to each's local government to control the zoning laws.

I bet he wants that in the control of the UN.

they have even less power than local munis so go for it.

(06-10-2015 01:55 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 01:19 PM)Lush Wrote:  i would like if the suburbs didn't exist and i think it's feasible for them not to, or at least to an extant in most major metropolitan areas. but with everything it begins with the people to realize they don't need to build a new house or live in a new subdivision a 45 minute commute to work each way. i'm most opposed to lack of wild space, not even for farms, just land that isn't for sale and isn't ever going to be used, by people. because that land is vital to people. we need to reclaim land, restore it, and never touch it. i'm not an expert at urbanization, nor is it even a hobby, but i know it's important.

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for starters, turn d.c back into a f*ckin' marsh

This is how the fights between Suburban and Urban people start. Urban city dwellers telling Suburban people their neighborhood should not exist. Lush what you need to realize is that people are free to live where they want, send their kids to good suburban public schools. Urban people have long commutes also. Get on a plane and fly over the USA 95% of it is wild and open. The land isn't being used it is wide open.

Suburban America serves a vital role in housing and maintaining strong communities. Not everyone wants to live in Covington or Northside.

i would never tell anybody where to live. i'm a man of principles. i would never tell a man he couldn't do anything. what i said was suburbs shouldn't exist, so they couldn't live in suburbs if they didn't exist. if people want to live in suburbs fine, but it'd be nice if they knew about what land was torn up to create their land. and i know that exists for us city folk too. but we already have the pillaged land, we have properties available to you. affordable and some safe.

hogwash. that tapestry you fly over is wild? i don't know the exact parameters to the extent of farming in the states, but it has to be massive. i don't need to fly to know this. i've seen it, man. the horror. the horror.