+I visit here occasionally and after today's announcment that UAB is bringing back football and will remain in CUSA yet another potential spot for JMU is closed. I am not at all convinced that JMU would have taken UAB's spot anyway but it doesn't matter now.

I don't even hear JMU's name mentioned anymore as a possible Belt addition. Apparently EKU, Coastal Carolina and possibly Missouri St. are all campaigning hard to get the 12th spot in the Belt.

I guess time is running out on JMU. I know I speak for many Ga. Southern fans when I say we really hoped JMU would want to join.

It is hard for us to understand why JMU desires to remain with Elon, Stony Brook, etc rather than join the Belt.

Any chance at all of JMU reconsidering the Belt? I have a feeling the 12th spot will be taken within the next 6-9 months. If you guys are ever going to join FBS the clock seems to be ticking.

From everything any of us has heard JMU would join the belt on a cold day in hell. We don't necessarily agree with that, but that's been the message pretty consistently from insiders to coaches to the administration. For them to reverse course would be a shocker.

What are you talking about? Why, the DNR tells me that we never had an invitation in the first place! Surely that can't possibly be wrong!

I have entirely given up on the possibility of our joining the Sun Belt, and am about 99% settled at this point that we will never go FBS. Given our rejection of the Sun Belt that's the course our fearless leaders have chosen. So be it.

I can tell you with certainly that had JMU been willing to join the Belt last year before the June 1 deadline you guys would be in. Now it seems many Belt schools are done with JMU --- and I guess JMU is done with the Belt also.

Sad really because JMU would have made a very good addition. Now it looks like 1 of Coastal Carolina, EKU or Missouri St.

Yeah, JMU has no interest in the belt and at this point I'd have to think they would be thinking "JMU can go **** themselves".

(06-01-2015 09:43 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  Yeah, JMU has no interest in the belt and at this point I'd have to think they would be thinking "JMU can go **** themselves".

I doubt that most presidents or ADs take it that personally. In the overall scheme of things, it's not going to matter much to them who has the 12th spot in the SB. With schools like Coastal being rumored though, I wouldn't be surprised if a few of the presidents rethink their objection to Liberty.

(06-01-2015 09:53 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  

(06-01-2015 09:43 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  Yeah, JMU has no interest in the belt and at this point I'd have to think they would be thinking "JMU can go **** themselves".

I doubt that most presidents or ADs take it that personally. In the overall scheme of things, it's not going to matter much to them who has the 12th spot in the SB. With schools like Coastal being rumored though, I wouldn't be surprised if a few of the presidents rethink their objection to Liberty.

Why? Coastal is not as bad as people make them out to be. They've proven to be successful in many of their programs, they bring in a new state and new market, they would be only the 3rd FBS program in South Carolina, they have tons of room to grow, and their budget is on-par with many FBS teams. I don't foresee Liberty being a Sun Belt member unless something devastating happens. I would take Coastal over EKU, Liberty, and any other FCS move-up (besides JMU and Missouri State) any day.

I have become convinced that our leadership does not desire G5 FBS. They would rather be FCS. They aren't concerned that they're missing the last shot because they don't want to move.

We need new blood if we want a move to FBS. Alger kept the entire prior administration around....unheard of in higher education. Alger is just a figure head. He isn't a leader. He is a lawyer who tries to "fit the middle" in everything he does. Dynamic and transformational leadership will never come from him, athletically or academically. In 3 years as president, what has he REALLY done? Listening tours and a strategic plan that needs dentures.

(06-02-2015 06:45 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I have become convinced that our leadership does not desire G5 FBS. They would rather be FCS. They aren't concerned that they're missing the last shot because they don't want to move.

We need new blood if we want a move to FBS. Alger kept the entire prior administration around....unheard of in higher education. Alger is just a figure head. He isn't a leader. He is a lawyer who tries to "fit the middle" in everything he does. Dynamic and transformational leadership will never come from him, athletically or academically. In 3 years as president, what has he REALLY done? Listening tours and a strategic plan that needs dentures.

Wow. +1

(06-01-2015 09:15 PM)Madison 91 Forever Wrote:  What are you talking about? Why, the DNR tells me that we never had an invitation in the first place! Surely that can't possibly be wrong!

I have entirely given up on the possibility of our joining the Sun Belt, and am about 99% settled at this point that we will never go FBS. Given our rejection of the Sun Belt that's the course our fearless leaders have chosen. So be it.

The Daily News Record will propagate anything King/Bourne want...the DNR will not print anything that makes either look bad...

A decision maker at the DNR with the initials of PY has a backyard that nearly boarders that of Bourne....Good 'ol Boys club.

Expect more pro CAA propaganda at times Bourne considers strategic to keep the snow job alive.

(06-02-2015 06:56 AM)jmad1son Wrote:  

(06-02-2015 06:45 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I have become convinced that our leadership does not desire G5 FBS. They would rather be FCS. They aren't concerned that they're missing the last shot because they don't want to move.

We need new blood if we want a move to FBS. Alger kept the entire prior administration around....unheard of in higher education. Alger is just a figure head. He isn't a leader. He is a lawyer who tries to "fit the middle" in everything he does. Dynamic and transformational leadership will never come from him, athletically or academically. In 3 years as president, what has he REALLY done? Listening tours and a strategic plan that needs dentures.

Wow. +1

Nearly word for word what I've heard Ron Carrier say of Alger...

(06-02-2015 07:35 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(06-02-2015 06:56 AM)jmad1son Wrote:  

(06-02-2015 06:45 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I have become convinced that our leadership does not desire G5 FBS. They would rather be FCS. They aren't concerned that they're missing the last shot because they don't want to move.

We need new blood if we want a move to FBS. Alger kept the entire prior administration around....unheard of in higher education. Alger is just a figure head. He isn't a leader. He is a lawyer who tries to "fit the middle" in everything he does. Dynamic and transformational leadership will never come from him, athletically or academically. In 3 years as president, what has he REALLY done? Listening tours and a strategic plan that needs dentures.

Wow. +1

Nearly word for word what I've heard Ron Carrier say of Alger...

According to Bourne he has wine with Dr. Carrier all the time. If true I don't see how Uncle Ron hasn't been reading him the riot act over this crap. Has Uncle Ron detached and mellowed as he has aged, and is unaware the extent of mediocrity in men's sports and the CAA? SMFH.

I'll tell you what Alger has done. He has collected half a million dollars a year for the last three years. Not a bad paycheck if you can get it, especially when it's associated with absolutely ZERO accountability or measurable. The second I heard about "Why Madison?" I knew we were screwed.

http://www.breezejmu.org/news/jon-alger-...0f31a.html

"Alger’s contract expires June 30, 2017. He’s eligible to renew his contract with approval from the BOV in June 2016."

Next summer looms large.

Living for free in a university home, driving a free car, and picking up 420k in base/year. Sign me up.

(06-02-2015 07:54 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(06-02-2015 07:35 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(06-02-2015 06:56 AM)jmad1son Wrote:  

(06-02-2015 06:45 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I have become convinced that our leadership does not desire G5 FBS. They would rather be FCS. They aren't concerned that they're missing the last shot because they don't want to move.

We need new blood if we want a move to FBS. Alger kept the entire prior administration around....unheard of in higher education. Alger is just a figure head. He isn't a leader. He is a lawyer who tries to "fit the middle" in everything he does. Dynamic and transformational leadership will never come from him, athletically or academically. In 3 years as president, what has he REALLY done? Listening tours and a strategic plan that needs dentures.

Wow. +1

Nearly word for word what I've heard Ron Carrier say of Alger...

According to Bourne he has wine with Dr. Carrier all the time. If true I don't see how Uncle Ron hasn't been reading him the riot act over this crap. Has Uncle Ron detached and mellowed as he has aged, and is unaware the extent of mediocrity in men's sports and the CAA? SMFH.

Carrier's yard is in the same vicinity... Carrier worked with Bourne, hell, he may have hired Bourne. Have you ever heard this saying, "if you don't have something positive to say, say nothing at all...?"

(06-02-2015 07:54 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(06-02-2015 07:35 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(06-02-2015 06:56 AM)jmad1son Wrote:  

(06-02-2015 06:45 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I have become convinced that our leadership does not desire G5 FBS. They would rather be FCS. They aren't concerned that they're missing the last shot because they don't want to move.

We need new blood if we want a move to FBS. Alger kept the entire prior administration around....unheard of in higher education. Alger is just a figure head. He isn't a leader. He is a lawyer who tries to "fit the middle" in everything he does. Dynamic and transformational leadership will never come from him, athletically or academically. In 3 years as president, what has he REALLY done? Listening tours and a strategic plan that needs dentures.

Wow. +1

Nearly word for word what I've heard Ron Carrier say of Alger...

According to Bourne he has wine with Dr. Carrier all the time. If true I don't see how Uncle Ron hasn't been reading him the riot act over this crap. Has Uncle Ron detached and mellowed as he has aged, and is unaware the extent of mediocrity in men's sports and the CAA? SMFH.

He sure played that up, didn't he? Like he just had to impress us with that fact. That comment said a lot to me. Its called a distraction. Some may have bit, though many in the room were to young to know much about Uncle Ron.

(06-02-2015 09:14 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(06-02-2015 07:54 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(06-02-2015 07:35 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(06-02-2015 06:56 AM)jmad1son Wrote:  

(06-02-2015 06:45 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I have become convinced that our leadership does not desire G5 FBS. They would rather be FCS. They aren't concerned that they're missing the last shot because they don't want to move.

We need new blood if we want a move to FBS. Alger kept the entire prior administration around....unheard of in higher education. Alger is just a figure head. He isn't a leader. He is a lawyer who tries to "fit the middle" in everything he does. Dynamic and transformational leadership will never come from him, athletically or academically. In 3 years as president, what has he REALLY done? Listening tours and a strategic plan that needs dentures.

Wow. +1

Nearly word for word what I've heard Ron Carrier say of Alger...

According to Bourne he has wine with Dr. Carrier all the time. If true I don't see how Uncle Ron hasn't been reading him the riot act over this crap. Has Uncle Ron detached and mellowed as he has aged, and is unaware the extent of mediocrity in men's sports and the CAA? SMFH.

He sure played that up, didn't he? Like he just had to impress us with that fact. That comment said a lot to me. Its called a distraction. Some may have bit, though many in the room were to young to know much about Uncle Ron.

Maybe it was a cry for help... Alger has not done a god job in the ally dept. Uncle Ron is loved, Bourne trying to attach to that wagon at a caravan event is weak sauce from a senior leader. Last time I checked, uncle Ron retired in 1998.

Are you pumped to be left in the CAA because Bourne has broken bread and tilted a glass with Uncle Ron?

(06-02-2015 09:14 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(06-02-2015 07:54 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(06-02-2015 07:35 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(06-02-2015 06:56 AM)jmad1son Wrote:  

(06-02-2015 06:45 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I have become convinced that our leadership does not desire G5 FBS. They would rather be FCS. They aren't concerned that they're missing the last shot because they don't want to move.

We need new blood if we want a move to FBS. Alger kept the entire prior administration around....unheard of in higher education. Alger is just a figure head. He isn't a leader. He is a lawyer who tries to "fit the middle" in everything he does. Dynamic and transformational leadership will never come from him, athletically or academically. In 3 years as president, what has he REALLY done? Listening tours and a strategic plan that needs dentures.

Wow. +1

Nearly word for word what I've heard Ron Carrier say of Alger...

According to Bourne he has wine with Dr. Carrier all the time. If true I don't see how Uncle Ron hasn't been reading him the riot act over this crap. Has Uncle Ron detached and mellowed as he has aged, and is unaware the extent of mediocrity in men's sports and the CAA? SMFH.

He sure played that up, didn't he? Like he just had to impress us with that fact. That comment said a lot to me. Its called a distraction. Some may have bit, though many in the room were to young to know much about Uncle Ron.

Yeah, I didn't buy it at all. Insinuating he somehow has Dr. Carrier's stamp of approval and has been consulting with him all along.

The Dr. Carrier I knew was never one to "say nothing at all" when he didn't like something. Could just be age setting in or him maintaining respect for the office. We're missing passion in our leadership.

(06-02-2015 07:30 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(06-01-2015 09:15 PM)Madison 91 Forever Wrote:  What are you talking about? Why, the DNR tells me that we never had an invitation in the first place! Surely that can't possibly be wrong!

I have entirely given up on the possibility of our joining the Sun Belt, and am about 99% settled at this point that we will never go FBS. Given our rejection of the Sun Belt that's the course our fearless leaders have chosen. So be it.

The Daily News Record will propagate anything King/Bourne want...the DNR will not print anything that makes either look bad...

A decision maker at the DNR with the initials of PY has a backyard that nearly boarders that of Bourne....Good 'ol Boys club.

Expect more pro CAA propaganda at times Bourne considers strategic to keep the snow job alive.

You have obviously never read the DNR. Chris Simmons openly bashes our administration every opportunity he gets. The rest of the paper is not much better.

We also stonewall their reporters and make it difficult for them to talk to our players.

There is no love lost between the two and that is simply not debatable

Pull a UAB and make some noise. Draw some attention to your school and to your fans.

At this point, I would say JMU to CUSA is dead. Everybody can say that CUSA is going to 16, but they were desperate to keep UAB for an even distribution, so why would they want to go at it again and go to 16? That's also more mouths to feed, which I'm sure would upset quite a few. JMU to the MAC is still viable somewhere down the line should NIU or another school leave, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. JMU to the Sun Belt is the only remaining option, but again, I don't foresee that happening.

If you truly want FBS, do something absolutely insane and go hard in the paint. UAB did it and they got what they wanted. It may not work for you guys, but it's worth a try at this point. I hope your administration turns it around and brings your programs home to the Sun Belt so the Mountaineers and Dukes can renew our rivalry.