Ok...Being an ACC Fan I was thrilled to hear that the SEC network only took the SEC 8 million per school a head of the ACC (However we need to see all P5 Conf FY 15 dollars before we crown the off-season champions)

The reason why I am so excited is because the ACCN is looking to launch in 2016 (However most ACC Fans think 2017/18 is more ideal) I was schock to hear an SEC fan trying to say that the ACCN will never happen... It is to funny to think a SEC fan would have three paragraphs and actually believe the stuff he was saying...I guess when you drink the SEC KOOL AID you get SEC drunk....

Below is what I have been keeping up with and wanted to share: (Links at bottom)

April 22, 2015
Have to say the STEALTH side has clamped down on talk of the ACCN...the Ninja was not pleased with comments coming out of FSU. In fact, news, rumors etc about the ACCN are under lock and key. Recently a few members of FSU BOT spoke out about "no movement" as reported by WARCHANT only to be further explained by WARCHANT podcast concerning the fact that aside from Presidents and AD's, nothing is being made public...so as Syracuse moved to ACC and Notre Dame came in as associate member, the NINJA is holding all the cards...and the cards say:

ACCN is going to happen....not if but when and what

As indicated on Jan 21, 2015
The Conference Presidents are discussing approval as this is written--moving forward is no longer the issue.
1. ESPN/Raycom working this together with the ACC
2. Monies from Maryland leaving may be used...at least the Conference $$$
3. Fox negotiations are moving forward...to get subleases from Raycom back
4. The leadership of the ACC Digital Network (Raycom) is turning out to be a big component of the plan

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SO Where does this stand now...

Cable unbundling is a factor-- it is not the primary concern. All along the ACC has chosen ESPN because it has the capability to execute and distribute a number of cable, online, streaming and digital means to reach all psychographics of likely viewers. Point is, the delivery system may not be "just" cable...but a combination of numerous offerings...it is these that are being put together as the ACCN is being ready for launch--it will be ALL at ONCE--presume ACCN to be the most diverified college network of all...and yes RAYCOM will be included...but there is more:

ESPN, ACC, and Raycom are not negotiating in public...among themselves and/or other partners.
HOWEVER, IT IS MOVING TO THE CLOSING STAGE...

Also, keep in mind Notre Dame, NBC etc and potential expansion. The potential change in CCG and divisions is important so don't down play; don't believe the ACC proffered it as just to help the Big 12. There are a number of moving parts--and those parts are about to bring in some not typical partners and associates...
1. Notre Dame and NBC...heating up and does make a strange bedfellow for ESPN...
2. SECN...talks have been ongoing...could be a bigger surprise than #1.
3. Projected time frame remains mid to late 2016-signed and sealed.

The outline of the ACCN is just about done...the noise outside is nothing more than that. Keep the course it is all moving forward and it will be AWESOME!

22 May 2015
In last postIi indicated:

ESPN, ACC, and Raycom are not negotiating in public...among themselves and/or other partners.
HOWEVER, IT IS MOVING TO THE CLOSING STAGE...

Also, keep in mind Notre Dame, NBC etc and potential expansion. The potential change in CCG and divisions is important so don't down play; don't believe the ACC proffered it as just to help the Big 12. There are a number of moving parts--and those parts are about to bring in some not typical partners and associates...
1. Notre Dame and NBC...heating up and does make a strange bedfellow for ESPN...
2. SECN...talks have been ongoing...could be a bigger surprise than #1.
3. Projected time frame remains mid to late 2016-signed and sealed.

The outline of the ACCN is just about done...the noise outside is nothing more than that.

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Now I will just say it is getting closer...keep the course...read between the lines and remember the STEALTH SIDE continues to whisper...finally the Ninja has something to say:

So what is next? The ACC continues to look for ways to market its football footprint and get the word out. And while shouting from the highest rooftop works for some, the league is looking at a more advanced, 21st century way, like creating an ACC Network.

“When a conference has its own channel there’s more opportunity for non-live programing that is building a perception of the league and getting the facts of what your league has accomplished on a more regular and ongoing basis,” Swofford said. “That’s one of the appeals of going the channel route and why we have an interest in fully evaluating that as we move forward in terms of what’s next.”

http://seminolepost.blog.palmbeachpost.c...c-network/

the wait is worthwhile...remain calm not because you must; but because the coming together is really going to be big..


http://syracusefan.com/threads/shhhh-yes...ard.90065/

http://syracusefan.com/threads/from-othe...ccn.90570/

I also think it makes sense to add either cincy or uconn for markets for the ACCN and jump to 16 overall with 3 pods of 5 for football.

http://seminolepost.blog.palmbeachpost.c...c-network/

So what is next? The ACC continues to look for ways to market its football footprint and get the word out. And while shouting from the highest rooftop works for some, the league is looking at a more advanced, 21st century way, like creating an ACC Network.

“When a conference has its own channel there’s more opportunity for non-live programing that is building a perception of the league and getting the facts of what your league has accomplished on a more regular and ongoing basis,” Swofford said. “That’s one of the appeals of going the channel route and why we have an interest in fully evaluating that as we move forward in terms of what’s next.”

Oh and do not forget about this crazy NC State packman 1981 (He was the one who announced the ND was joining the ACC in all but FB six months before it happened)

He recently posted on Feb 28 2015....

Pack Fans:

Heard from a very credible source that ND will join ACC in FB in 2016 in exchange for NBC hosting the ACC TV Network. Not sure about split of revenue for existing NBC home ND FB games. Also NBC will buy out Raycom's share of ACC inventory. Will try to confirm this with another source this week. Can share this as I was not asked to keep it confidential.

'81

Link provided below...

http://www.scout.com/college/north-carol...6190?s=178

Arb, the guy from Syrfan, generally either shamelessly makes stuff up or copies others' stuff and repackages it as insider info. He did it to HokieMark a while ago and didn't even bother change the font :/ He's also been saying that the ACCN was just around the corner for YEARS.

The truth is that I'm not even sure that the ACCN would add dramatic amounts of value to the conference. We are what we are. We don't have as many big schools as the B1G or the SEC, so it's crazy to expect the same amount of money. We can hold/beat the Big XII and the Pac, which is roughly what we're doing.

(05-30-2015 11:05 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  Oh and do not forget about this crazy NC State packman 1981 (He was the one who announced the ND was joining the ACC in all but FB six months before it happened)

He recently posted on Feb 28 2015....

Pack Fans:

Heard from a very credible source that ND will join ACC in FB in 2016 in exchange for NBC hosting the ACC TV Network. Not sure about split of revenue for existing NBC home ND FB games. Also NBC will buy out Raycom's share of ACC inventory. Will try to confirm this with another source this week. Can share this as I was not asked to keep it confidential.

'81

Link provided below...

http://www.scout.com/college/north-carol...6190?s=178

And why does Raycom own any ACC inventory? Because they bought it from ESPN who owns the rights to all ACC inventory.

So ABC/ESPN who are owned by Disney are going to turn over those rights to NBC and allow them to make money off the ACC inventory they own?

Didn't buy it when it was originally linked on the ACC boards back in February and I'm not buying it now. Until someone can reasonably explain why ABC/ESPN/Disney would benefit by assisting a competitor. A competitor by the way that they along with FOX conspired to keep out of the college athletics arena when they both overpaid the B12 and PAC to prevent NBC from getting them.

Btw, this doesn't rule out the possibility of an ACCN, just not one jointly owned with NBC.

Cheers,
Neil

(05-30-2015 11:28 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  Arb, the guy from Syrfan, generally either shamelessly makes stuff up or copies others' stuff and repackages it as insider info. He did it to HokieMark a while ago and didn't even bother change the font :/ He's also been saying that the ACCN was just around the corner for YEARS.

The truth is that I'm not even sure that the ACCN would add dramatic amounts of value to the conference. We are what we are. We don't have as many big schools as the B1G or the SEC, so it's crazy to expect the same amount of money. We can hold/beat the Big XII and the Pac, which is roughly what we're doing.

Yeah..pretty much spot on...but the ACC way has been to do their work covertly and make an announcement when it is ready.

(05-30-2015 11:34 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 11:05 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  Oh and do not forget about this crazy NC State packman 1981 (He was the one who announced the ND was joining the ACC in all but FB six months before it happened)

He recently posted on Feb 28 2015....

Pack Fans:

Heard from a very credible source that ND will join ACC in FB in 2016 in exchange for NBC hosting the ACC TV Network. Not sure about split of revenue for existing NBC home ND FB games. Also NBC will buy out Raycom's share of ACC inventory. Will try to confirm this with another source this week. Can share this as I was not asked to keep it confidential.

'81

Link provided below...

http://www.scout.com/college/north-carol...6190?s=178

And why does Raycom own any ACC inventory? Because they bought it from ESPN who owns the rights to all ACC inventory.

So ABC/ESPN who are owned by Disney are going to turn over those rights to NBC and allow them to make money off the ACC inventory they own?

Didn't buy it when it was originally linked on the ACC boards back in February and I'm not buying it now. Until someone can reasonably explain why ABC/ESPN/Disney would benefit by assisting a competitor. A competitor by the way that they along with FOX conspired to keep out of the college athletics arena when they both overpaid the B12 and PAC to prevent NBC from getting them.

Btw, this doesn't rule out the possibility of an ACCN, just not one jointly owned with NBC.

Cheers,
Neil

Yeah...not buying it either until more clarity. Not impossible but on the surface it doesn't make sense.

I could see Notre Dame coming into the ACC and keeping their NBC home games but ESPN wouldn't send other stuff over unless it was Tier 2 stuff.

(05-30-2015 11:28 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  Arb, the guy from Syrfan, generally either shamelessly makes stuff up or copies others' stuff and repackages it as insider info. He did it to HokieMark a while ago and didn't even bother change the font :/ He's also been saying that the ACCN was just around the corner for YEARS.

The truth is that I'm not even sure that the ACCN would add dramatic amounts of value to the conference. We are what we are. We don't have as many big schools as the B1G or the SEC, so it's crazy to expect the same amount of money. We can hold/beat the Big XII and the Pac, which is roughly what we're doing.

To Funny..Spoken like a true SEC fan...Someone must have done the numbers and saw that it would make $$$....You even have AD from ACC schools talking about how the ACCN will help keep pace with the SEC....

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/spo.../22343755/

(05-30-2015 11:34 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 11:05 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  Oh and do not forget about this crazy NC State packman 1981 (He was the one who announced the ND was joining the ACC in all but FB six months before it happened)

He recently posted on Feb 28 2015....

Pack Fans:

Heard from a very credible source that ND will join ACC in FB in 2016 in exchange for NBC hosting the ACC TV Network. Not sure about split of revenue for existing NBC home ND FB games. Also NBC will buy out Raycom's share of ACC inventory. Will try to confirm this with another source this week. Can share this as I was not asked to keep it confidential.

'81

Link provided below...

http://www.scout.com/college/north-carol...6190?s=178

And why does Raycom own any ACC inventory? Because they bought it from ESPN who owns the rights to all ACC inventory.

So ABC/ESPN who are owned by Disney are going to turn over those rights to NBC and allow them to make money off the ACC inventory they own?

Didn't buy it when it was originally linked on the ACC boards back in February and I'm not buying it now. Until someone can reasonably explain why ABC/ESPN/Disney would benefit by assisting a competitor. A competitor by the way that they along with FOX conspired to keep out of the college athletics arena when they both overpaid the B12 and PAC to prevent NBC from getting them.

Btw, this doesn't rule out the possibility of an ACCN, just not one jointly owned with NBC.

Cheers,
Neil

Neil

I agree, but I started this thread because some SEC fan started saying how the ACCN was not coming, bottomline it is coming....I agree probably not with NBC...But it is Coming!!!

[quote='GTFletch' pid='12093651' dateline='1433001020']
Ok...Being an ACC Fan I was thrilled to hear that the SEC network only took the SEC 8 million per school a head of the ACC (However we need to see all P5 Conf FY 15 dollars before we crown the off-season champions)

Since you started a new thread about my posts I thought it was appropriate to repost both of them here:

RE: CIncy and ECU to Big 12 within 1 month?
(Today 07:04 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:

The ACCN IS going to happen. Anyone with half a brain knows it's going to happen. The ACC schools are all going to stay put. They signed that GOR because they didn't want to break apart. They could've gotten out when the getting was good, but didn't. Agreed, the BigXII needs to quit dreaming about ACC schools. It's not going to happen. The only conferences the BigXII's going to raid will be the American or the Mountain West.
Anyone with both halves of their brain knows nothing is certain.

An ACCN is unlikely, I'm truly sorry to say. The ACC schools, on average, are too small in football. More importantly, the ACC severely messed up when they expanded and did not reserve the extra conference games as possible ACCN games, or maybe they wanted to but the new "left over" conference games, the ones left after ESPN and the others who would pick after ESPN (Raycom and those who bought games from ESPN and Raycom), would not command enough carriage rights. Therefore, the ACC has no games to put on an ACCN. It would not be enough to just buy back the Raycom games, that would still not be enough quality content.

The ACC also missed the opportunity to have ESPN shop their network when ESPN and all of the other Disney properties were renegotiating new carriage contracts. There is little possibility an ACCN gets traction being pushed on carriers by itself, even with ESPN doing the pushing. Remember, the Longhorn Network could not even get in the vast majority of homes in the State of Texas until it was bundled with ESPN/Disney properties. Those contracts have already been written and likely will not end until 4 years from now, on average. By then a new conference network might not be that big of a moneymaker, especially with the preponderance of private schools.

It is so bad for the ACC that I cannot even see an ACCN created if ND goes all in because the ACC and ND both made a huge mistake by contracting to play 5 ND/ACC football games per year and selling such to ESPN. Because of ND's contract with NBC, if ND became a full member and played 8 conference games, if NBC retains 4, that is only 4 ACC conference games. That could probably be pushed to 6 ND ACC conference games by negotiating NBC covering 2 or 3 of ND's non-ACC conference games, and going to a 9 games conference schedule, but 6 ND ACC conference games is only one more than the ACC has now. One more ND ACC conference game is not going to make an ACCN viable.

The only way I can see an ACCN happen in the next four years is for the ACC to get ND all in, and for Texas and four other schools that move the needle also join. Something like OU, OSU, TT and WV, or OU, WV, UCONN and CINN (more basketball). That is not likely to happen for three reasons. First, ESPN already owns a majority of those teams' media rights with FOX owning a large second stake. You would be asking ESPN to pay more for what it already owns and paying off FOX or giving FOX a slice of the ACC pie, and the latter is not likely since ESPN probably loves having a 100% stake in the ACC. Second, good luck breaking up the Big 12; it is doable, but because of the first reason, why would ESPN want to make such investment? Third, if the Big 12 can be broken up and the pieces be consumed, there are bigger fish in the sea than the ACC that would be doing the feasting on the biggest and tastiest parts, the SEC and B1G.

Not trolling, just honest analysis.

Lurker Above


RE: CIncy and ECU to Big 12 within 1 month?
(Today 09:36 AM)GTFletch Wrote:
(Today 09:29 AM)chess Wrote:
So, why can't the ACC buy or merge Raycom into an ACC Network?
They can and they will have to to create the ACCN since Raycom has third third rights! That is why most ACC fans think the 2016 launch date is a bit soon and expect a launch between 2016 and 2018...
That is a common misconception. Buying back Raycom's games will not be enough. There is not enough content in those games. Those are games ESPN did not really care about. The fourth best ACC weekend matchup is not going to move the needle. By comparison, when the SECN started it was able to put the TAMA/SC game on the SEC the first week. That was important because both Texas and SC cable rights were a targeted low hanging fruit, but what most people failed to realize how ESPN and the SEC were able to do this. CBS still got to pick first, and ESPN still needed to have 2 or 3 good SEC games on ESPN and ESPN2 in order to maintain those networks' value. The SECN was able to match TAMA and SC because the SEC had enough compelling programing to show that weekend and throughout the year on multiple networks. The ACC just does not have that content, not just because they have too many mediocre football teams and small private schools, but they have already sold all of the marketable games to ESPN. The only way they get more marketable content is to expand to 20 teams, as I discussed above.

Another thing. Buying back those games is easier said than done. As to Raycom, if they sell them back they are out of business. If the ACC incorporates them then the ACC and ESPN are sharing limited profits 3 ways. That might be acceptable, but the really hard part would be buying back the games Raycom sold, especially the ones sold to FOX. Do you think FOX wants to sell those much needed games and be excluded from any ACC content with their new FOX Sports 1 and 2? Hardly. If it were possible to buy back the games FOX acquired it would be too expensive to make a profit.

Lurker Above

(05-30-2015 11:39 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 11:34 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 11:05 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  Oh and do not forget about this crazy NC State packman 1981 (He was the one who announced the ND was joining the ACC in all but FB six months before it happened)

He recently posted on Feb 28 2015....

Pack Fans:

Heard from a very credible source that ND will join ACC in FB in 2016 in exchange for NBC hosting the ACC TV Network. Not sure about split of revenue for existing NBC home ND FB games. Also NBC will buy out Raycom's share of ACC inventory. Will try to confirm this with another source this week. Can share this as I was not asked to keep it confidential.

'81

Link provided below...

http://www.scout.com/college/north-carol...6190?s=178

And why does Raycom own any ACC inventory? Because they bought it from ESPN who owns the rights to all ACC inventory.

So ABC/ESPN who are owned by Disney are going to turn over those rights to NBC and allow them to make money off the ACC inventory they own?

Didn't buy it when it was originally linked on the ACC boards back in February and I'm not buying it now. Until someone can reasonably explain why ABC/ESPN/Disney would benefit by assisting a competitor. A competitor by the way that they along with FOX conspired to keep out of the college athletics arena when they both overpaid the B12 and PAC to prevent NBC from getting them.

Btw, this doesn't rule out the possibility of an ACCN, just not one jointly owned with NBC.

Cheers,
Neil

Yeah...not buying it either until more clarity. Not impossible but on the surface it doesn't make sense.

I could see Notre Dame coming into the ACC and keeping their NBC home games but ESPN wouldn't send other stuff over unless it was Tier 2 stuff.

Not that ND is joining the ACC full anway, but if they did...

Nope. Don't see that at all either. ND's value is their home football games. ESPN already owns everything else except for ND hockey.

No way will Disney allow ND to join the ACC full in football and allow NBC to keep the home football games.

Best the ACC is going to get out of ND is 6 games. That would add one more game to the ESPN ACC inventory every other year.

Cheers,
Neil

The only reliable way to improve the ACC's media value is to encourage ACC schools to invest more into their athletics department. I would incentivize such behavior by linking conference media payouts to non-scholarship athletic spending. The schools that are below a standard deviation south of the conference average would have half the difference between their spend and the standard deviation low mark withheld (up to $10 million). The schools above a standard deviation above the conference average would split the withheld amount amongst themselves equally. That creates a rational incentive to spend more to avoid being at the bottom or to push into the top. As such, many ACC member schools would likely spend more on athletics in areas with the highest RoI for each school, thereby increasing the quality of ACC teams in key areas and improving the overall equity of the overall ACC brand.

(05-30-2015 11:42 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 11:34 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 11:05 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  Oh and do not forget about this crazy NC State packman 1981 (He was the one who announced the ND was joining the ACC in all but FB six months before it happened)

He recently posted on Feb 28 2015....

Pack Fans:

Heard from a very credible source that ND will join ACC in FB in 2016 in exchange for NBC hosting the ACC TV Network. Not sure about split of revenue for existing NBC home ND FB games. Also NBC will buy out Raycom's share of ACC inventory. Will try to confirm this with another source this week. Can share this as I was not asked to keep it confidential.

'81

Link provided below...

http://www.scout.com/college/north-carol...6190?s=178

And why does Raycom own any ACC inventory? Because they bought it from ESPN who owns the rights to all ACC inventory.

So ABC/ESPN who are owned by Disney are going to turn over those rights to NBC and allow them to make money off the ACC inventory they own?

Didn't buy it when it was originally linked on the ACC boards back in February and I'm not buying it now. Until someone can reasonably explain why ABC/ESPN/Disney would benefit by assisting a competitor. A competitor by the way that they along with FOX conspired to keep out of the college athletics arena when they both overpaid the B12 and PAC to prevent NBC from getting them.

Btw, this doesn't rule out the possibility of an ACCN, just not one jointly owned with NBC.

Cheers,
Neil

Neil

I agree, but I started this thread because some SEC fan started saying how the ACCN was not coming, bottomline it is coming....I agree probably not with NBC...But it is Coming!!!

So let me get this strait. You posted false information to support your claim that, some one else posted false information.

BRILLIANT!!!!!!

(05-30-2015 11:42 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 11:34 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 11:05 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  Oh and do not forget about this crazy NC State packman 1981 (He was the one who announced the ND was joining the ACC in all but FB six months before it happened)

He recently posted on Feb 28 2015....

Pack Fans:

Heard from a very credible source that ND will join ACC in FB in 2016 in exchange for NBC hosting the ACC TV Network. Not sure about split of revenue for existing NBC home ND FB games. Also NBC will buy out Raycom's share of ACC inventory. Will try to confirm this with another source this week. Can share this as I was not asked to keep it confidential.

'81

Link provided below...

http://www.scout.com/college/north-carol...6190?s=178

And why does Raycom own any ACC inventory? Because they bought it from ESPN who owns the rights to all ACC inventory.

So ABC/ESPN who are owned by Disney are going to turn over those rights to NBC and allow them to make money off the ACC inventory they own?

Didn't buy it when it was originally linked on the ACC boards back in February and I'm not buying it now. Until someone can reasonably explain why ABC/ESPN/Disney would benefit by assisting a competitor. A competitor by the way that they along with FOX conspired to keep out of the college athletics arena when they both overpaid the B12 and PAC to prevent NBC from getting them.

Btw, this doesn't rule out the possibility of an ACCN, just not one jointly owned with NBC.

Cheers,
Neil

Neil

I agree, but I started this thread because some SEC fan started saying how the ACCN was not coming, bottomline it is coming....I agree probably not with NBC...But it is Coming!!!

Which is fine to think. But to absolutely say it is definitely coming and coming next year (next year being the 2016-17 year) using this source as evidence is why I responded as I did.

Until I hear ESPN talking heads mentioning an ACCN coming soon, I will continue to use this link as evidence as why while it might come, there are still roadblocks mentioned back in 2013 that still haven't been overcome.

ACC Network Stalls Over Rights Issue

Cheers,
Neil

(05-30-2015 11:48 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 11:42 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 11:34 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 11:05 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  Oh and do not forget about this crazy NC State packman 1981 (He was the one who announced the ND was joining the ACC in all but FB six months before it happened)

He recently posted on Feb 28 2015....

Pack Fans:

Heard from a very credible source that ND will join ACC in FB in 2016 in exchange for NBC hosting the ACC TV Network. Not sure about split of revenue for existing NBC home ND FB games. Also NBC will buy out Raycom's share of ACC inventory. Will try to confirm this with another source this week. Can share this as I was not asked to keep it confidential.

'81

Link provided below...

http://www.scout.com/college/north-carol...6190?s=178

And why does Raycom own any ACC inventory? Because they bought it from ESPN who owns the rights to all ACC inventory.

So ABC/ESPN who are owned by Disney are going to turn over those rights to NBC and allow them to make money off the ACC inventory they own?

Didn't buy it when it was originally linked on the ACC boards back in February and I'm not buying it now. Until someone can reasonably explain why ABC/ESPN/Disney would benefit by assisting a competitor. A competitor by the way that they along with FOX conspired to keep out of the college athletics arena when they both overpaid the B12 and PAC to prevent NBC from getting them.

Btw, this doesn't rule out the possibility of an ACCN, just not one jointly owned with NBC.

Cheers,
Neil

Neil

I agree, but I started this thread because some SEC fan started saying how the ACCN was not coming, bottomline it is coming....I agree probably not with NBC...But it is Coming!!!

So let me get this strait. You posted false information to support your claim that, some one else posted false information.

BRILLIANT!!!!!!

No clue if it is false or not....Like I said this crazy guy announce the ND to ACC 6 months before and everyone laughed at him...He was correct!! I think that it is unlikely...My sole purpose was to provide information and links that support the coming of the ACCN in 2016....

(05-30-2015 11:28 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  Arb, the guy from Syrfan, generally either shamelessly makes stuff up or copies others' stuff and repackages it as insider info. He did it to HokieMark a while ago and didn't even bother change the font :/ He's also been saying that the ACCN was just around the corner for YEARS.

The truth is that I'm not even sure that the ACCN would add dramatic amounts of value to the conference. We are what we are. We don't have as many big schools as the B1G or the SEC, so it's crazy to expect the same amount of money. We can hold/beat the Big XII and the Pac, which is roughly what we're doing.

It's going to happen but something else has to happen first. Yes, rights have to be bought up, if they havnt already been agreed upon in all but the signing of buyout agreements. As you say though, there is some components to an ACCN being truly successful that still need to be in place. They are coming though, it's coming.

All that basketball advertising money is just too much for ESPN to pass up. When UConn is also part of the conference, selling the ACCN up and down the coast will be a breeze due to basketball. When the LHN rolls over into the ACCN, that will curtail much of the normal start up cost. The Austin studio will remain open and that will be a compromise the rest of the ACC will have to make in order for it to happen. That doesn't mean though that a second studio cannot be opened up on the East Coast somewhere later on once initial starting costs are made back.

(05-30-2015 11:56 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 11:48 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 11:42 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 11:34 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 11:05 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  Oh and do not forget about this crazy NC State packman 1981 (He was the one who announced the ND was joining the ACC in all but FB six months before it happened)

He recently posted on Feb 28 2015....

Pack Fans:

Heard from a very credible source that ND will join ACC in FB in 2016 in exchange for NBC hosting the ACC TV Network. Not sure about split of revenue for existing NBC home ND FB games. Also NBC will buy out Raycom's share of ACC inventory. Will try to confirm this with another source this week. Can share this as I was not asked to keep it confidential.

'81

Link provided below...

http://www.scout.com/college/north-carol...6190?s=178

And why does Raycom own any ACC inventory? Because they bought it from ESPN who owns the rights to all ACC inventory.

So ABC/ESPN who are owned by Disney are going to turn over those rights to NBC and allow them to make money off the ACC inventory they own?

Didn't buy it when it was originally linked on the ACC boards back in February and I'm not buying it now. Until someone can reasonably explain why ABC/ESPN/Disney would benefit by assisting a competitor. A competitor by the way that they along with FOX conspired to keep out of the college athletics arena when they both overpaid the B12 and PAC to prevent NBC from getting them.

Btw, this doesn't rule out the possibility of an ACCN, just not one jointly owned with NBC.

Cheers,
Neil

Neil

I agree, but I started this thread because some SEC fan started saying how the ACCN was not coming, bottomline it is coming....I agree probably not with NBC...But it is Coming!!!

So let me get this strait. You posted false information to support your claim that, some one else posted false information.

BRILLIANT!!!!!!

No clue if it is false or not....Like I said this crazy guy announce the ND to ACC 6 months before and everyone laughed at him...He was correct!! I think that it is unlikely...My sole purpose was to provide information and links that support the coming of the ACCN in 2016....

Everything you've posted on this subject is either Fan Boy Wish-Craft, Psycho Blogger speak or innuendo. You've posted nothing from a credible source that's verifiable as fact. So in essence this is a troll thread or just more of the same garbage that litters these forums. You've not repudiated or enlightened anyone with this thread. JMHO

(05-30-2015 11:44 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  [quote='GTFletch' pid='12093651' dateline='1433001020']
Ok...Being an ACC Fan I was thrilled to hear that the SEC network only took the SEC 8 million per school a head of the ACC (However we need to see all P5 Conf FY 15 dollars before we crown the off-season champions)

Since you started a new thread about my posts I thought it was appropriate to repost both of them here:

RE: CIncy and ECU to Big 12 within 1 month?
(Today 07:04 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:

The ACCN IS going to happen. Anyone with half a brain knows it's going to happen. The ACC schools are all going to stay put. They signed that GOR because they didn't want to break apart. They could've gotten out when the getting was good, but didn't. Agreed, the BigXII needs to quit dreaming about ACC schools. It's not going to happen. The only conferences the BigXII's going to raid will be the American or the Mountain West.
Anyone with both halves of their brain knows nothing is certain.

An ACCN is unlikely, I'm truly sorry to say. The ACC schools, on average, are too small in football. More importantly, the ACC severely messed up when they expanded and did not reserve the extra conference games as possible ACCN games, or maybe they wanted to but the new "left over" conference games, the ones left after ESPN and the others who would pick after ESPN (Raycom and those who bought games from ESPN and Raycom), would not command enough carriage rights. Therefore, the ACC has no games to put on an ACCN. It would not be enough to just buy back the Raycom games, that would still not be enough quality content.

The ACC also missed the opportunity to have ESPN shop their network when ESPN and all of the other Disney properties were renegotiating new carriage contracts. There is little possibility an ACCN gets traction being pushed on carriers by itself, even with ESPN doing the pushing. Remember, the Longhorn Network could not even get in the vast majority of homes in the State of Texas until it was bundled with ESPN/Disney properties. Those contracts have already been written and likely will not end until 4 years from now, on average. By then a new conference network might not be that big of a moneymaker, especially with the preponderance of private schools.

It is so bad for the ACC that I cannot even see an ACCN created if ND goes all in because the ACC and ND both made a huge mistake by contracting to play 5 ND/ACC football games per year and selling such to ESPN. Because of ND's contract with NBC, if ND became a full member and played 8 conference games, if NBC retains 4, that is only 4 ACC conference games. That could probably be pushed to 6 ND ACC conference games by negotiating NBC covering 2 or 3 of ND's non-ACC conference games, and going to a 9 games conference schedule, but 6 ND ACC conference games is only one more than the ACC has now. One more ND ACC conference game is not going to make an ACCN viable.

The only way I can see an ACCN happen in the next four years is for the ACC to get ND all in, and for Texas and four other schools that move the needle also join. Something like OU, OSU, TT and WV, or OU, WV, UCONN and CINN (more basketball). That is not likely to happen for three reasons. First, ESPN already owns a majority of those teams' media rights with FOX owning a large second stake. You would be asking ESPN to pay more for what it already owns and paying off FOX or giving FOX a slice of the ACC pie, and the latter is not likely since ESPN probably loves having a 100% stake in the ACC. Second, good luck breaking up the Big 12; it is doable, but because of the first reason, why would ESPN want to make such investment? Third, if the Big 12 can be broken up and the pieces be consumed, there are bigger fish in the sea than the ACC that would be doing the feasting on the biggest and tastiest parts, the SEC and B1G.

Not trolling, just honest analysis.

Lurker Above


RE: CIncy and ECU to Big 12 within 1 month?
(Today 09:36 AM)GTFletch Wrote:
(Today 09:29 AM)chess Wrote:
So, why can't the ACC buy or merge Raycom into an ACC Network?
They can and they will have to to create the ACCN since Raycom has third third rights! That is why most ACC fans think the 2016 launch date is a bit soon and expect a launch between 2016 and 2018...
That is a common misconception. Buying back Raycom's games will not be enough. There is not enough content in those games. Those are games ESPN did not really care about. The fourth best ACC weekend matchup is not going to move the needle. By comparison, when the SECN started it was able to put the TAMA/SC game on the SEC the first week. That was important because both Texas and SC cable rights were a targeted low hanging fruit, but what most people failed to realize how ESPN and the SEC were able to do this. CBS still got to pick first, and ESPN still needed to have 2 or 3 good SEC games on ESPN and ESPN2 in order to maintain those networks' value. The SECN was able to match TAMA and SC because the SEC had enough compelling programing to show that weekend and throughout the year on multiple networks. The ACC just does not have that content, not just because they have too many mediocre football teams and small private schools, but they have already sold all of the marketable games to ESPN. The only way they get more marketable content is to expand to 20 teams, as I discussed above.

Another thing. Buying back those games is easier said than done. As to Raycom, if they sell them back they are out of business. If the ACC incorporates them then the ACC and ESPN are sharing limited profits 3 ways. That might be acceptable, but the really hard part would be buying back the games Raycom sold, especially the ones sold to FOX. Do you think FOX wants to sell those much needed games and be excluded from any ACC content with their new FOX Sports 1 and 2? Hardly. If it were possible to buy back the games FOX acquired it would be too expensive to make a profit.

Lurker Above

I understand until there is actually an ACCN on TV, you do not want to acknowledge that an ACCN is being developed... I am ok with that! The bottomline is it is coming....For ACC fans it is not a matter of if, it is when...2016 it may not, by 2018 it will..

(05-30-2015 12:01 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 11:44 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  [quote='GTFletch' pid='12093651' dateline='1433001020']
Ok...Being an ACC Fan I was thrilled to hear that the SEC network only took the SEC 8 million per school a head of the ACC (However we need to see all P5 Conf FY 15 dollars before we crown the off-season champions)

Since you started a new thread about my posts I thought it was appropriate to repost both of them here:

RE: CIncy and ECU to Big 12 within 1 month?
(Today 07:04 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:

The ACCN IS going to happen. Anyone with half a brain knows it's going to happen. The ACC schools are all going to stay put. They signed that GOR because they didn't want to break apart. They could've gotten out when the getting was good, but didn't. Agreed, the BigXII needs to quit dreaming about ACC schools. It's not going to happen. The only conferences the BigXII's going to raid will be the American or the Mountain West.
Anyone with both halves of their brain knows nothing is certain.

An ACCN is unlikely, I'm truly sorry to say. The ACC schools, on average, are too small in football. More importantly, the ACC severely messed up when they expanded and did not reserve the extra conference games as possible ACCN games, or maybe they wanted to but the new "left over" conference games, the ones left after ESPN and the others who would pick after ESPN (Raycom and those who bought games from ESPN and Raycom), would not command enough carriage rights. Therefore, the ACC has no games to put on an ACCN. It would not be enough to just buy back the Raycom games, that would still not be enough quality content.

The ACC also missed the opportunity to have ESPN shop their network when ESPN and all of the other Disney properties were renegotiating new carriage contracts. There is little possibility an ACCN gets traction being pushed on carriers by itself, even with ESPN doing the pushing. Remember, the Longhorn Network could not even get in the vast majority of homes in the State of Texas until it was bundled with ESPN/Disney properties. Those contracts have already been written and likely will not end until 4 years from now, on average. By then a new conference network might not be that big of a moneymaker, especially with the preponderance of private schools.

It is so bad for the ACC that I cannot even see an ACCN created if ND goes all in because the ACC and ND both made a huge mistake by contracting to play 5 ND/ACC football games per year and selling such to ESPN. Because of ND's contract with NBC, if ND became a full member and played 8 conference games, if NBC retains 4, that is only 4 ACC conference games. That could probably be pushed to 6 ND ACC conference games by negotiating NBC covering 2 or 3 of ND's non-ACC conference games, and going to a 9 games conference schedule, but 6 ND ACC conference games is only one more than the ACC has now. One more ND ACC conference game is not going to make an ACCN viable.

The only way I can see an ACCN happen in the next four years is for the ACC to get ND all in, and for Texas and four other schools that move the needle also join. Something like OU, OSU, TT and WV, or OU, WV, UCONN and CINN (more basketball). That is not likely to happen for three reasons. First, ESPN already owns a majority of those teams' media rights with FOX owning a large second stake. You would be asking ESPN to pay more for what it already owns and paying off FOX or giving FOX a slice of the ACC pie, and the latter is not likely since ESPN probably loves having a 100% stake in the ACC. Second, good luck breaking up the Big 12; it is doable, but because of the first reason, why would ESPN want to make such investment? Third, if the Big 12 can be broken up and the pieces be consumed, there are bigger fish in the sea than the ACC that would be doing the feasting on the biggest and tastiest parts, the SEC and B1G.

Not trolling, just honest analysis.

Lurker Above


RE: CIncy and ECU to Big 12 within 1 month?
(Today 09:36 AM)GTFletch Wrote:
(Today 09:29 AM)chess Wrote:
So, why can't the ACC buy or merge Raycom into an ACC Network?
They can and they will have to to create the ACCN since Raycom has third third rights! That is why most ACC fans think the 2016 launch date is a bit soon and expect a launch between 2016 and 2018...
That is a common misconception. Buying back Raycom's games will not be enough. There is not enough content in those games. Those are games ESPN did not really care about. The fourth best ACC weekend matchup is not going to move the needle. By comparison, when the SECN started it was able to put the TAMA/SC game on the SEC the first week. That was important because both Texas and SC cable rights were a targeted low hanging fruit, but what most people failed to realize how ESPN and the SEC were able to do this. CBS still got to pick first, and ESPN still needed to have 2 or 3 good SEC games on ESPN and ESPN2 in order to maintain those networks' value. The SECN was able to match TAMA and SC because the SEC had enough compelling programing to show that weekend and throughout the year on multiple networks. The ACC just does not have that content, not just because they have too many mediocre football teams and small private schools, but they have already sold all of the marketable games to ESPN. The only way they get more marketable content is to expand to 20 teams, as I discussed above.

Another thing. Buying back those games is easier said than done. As to Raycom, if they sell them back they are out of business. If the ACC incorporates them then the ACC and ESPN are sharing limited profits 3 ways. That might be acceptable, but the really hard part would be buying back the games Raycom sold, especially the ones sold to FOX. Do you think FOX wants to sell those much needed games and be excluded from any ACC content with their new FOX Sports 1 and 2? Hardly. If it were possible to buy back the games FOX acquired it would be too expensive to make a profit.

Lurker Above

I understand until there is actually an ACCN on TV, you do not want to acknowledge that an ACCN is being developed... I am ok with that! The bottomline is it is coming....For ACC fans it is not a matter of if, it is when...2016 it may not, by 2018 it will..

The end of the world is coming too. The question remains when? The issue is you accused someone of drinking Kool aid. But the sources you cited were about 4 or 5 flavors of Kool aid. I'm all about supporting your conference and school. Maybe you get an ACCN but when? Time in the face of an earnings gap will be critical. There are variables. There is the duration of the GOR. There is the Big 10 renegotiation. There is the arrival of the full value of the SECN in another year. There is the duration of the lease to the FOX affiliate in New York which ends about 2021 (which is my understanding). There is N.D.'s renegotiation with NBC looming larger. So there are simply a lot of very important variables that must all come together precisely and in a particular specific timeline for there to be an ACCN by 2017 or 18, not to mention by 2016 which is really improbable at best and impossible by all reasoning.

So don't be surprised at the responses. It's nice to see the sanity in those responses.