(05-28-2015 09:24 AM)EigenEagle Wrote: I agree with most of what he said.
The blaming of bad behavior on entertainment (video games, music, etc.) is really getting tiresome though.
As in the thread about video games and porn, I don't think that these things are the cause, but are a side effect of lack of parenting and discipline, which then leads to other activities.
Listening to rap music won't make you want to be a gangster. not having a father figure, and a mother who is working 3 jobs, is never at home, or on the flip side is just a whore, can lead a young mind to taking the message in such music more seriously, which then compounds when he finds other boys going through the same thing, and now they are their own support system.
(05-28-2015 09:39 AM)Fitbud Wrote: O'Reilly isn't wrong when he quotes those statistics.
But he never says why? Why is the African American families disfunctional. Why are 73% of black babies born out of wedlock.
That is the crux of the issue.
this^
but on the same token, why don't prominent black figures such as Obama, Sharpton, etc take a more prominent stand on trying to fix these issues? They have the spotlight, they will get the attention.
(05-28-2015 09:39 AM)Fitbud Wrote: O'Reilly isn't wrong when he quotes those statistics.
But he never says why? Why is the African American families disfunctional. Why are 73% of black babies born out of wedlock.
That is the crux of the issue.
this^
but on the same token, why don't prominent black figures such as Obama, Sharpton, etc take a more prominent stand on trying to fix these issues? They have the spotlight, they will get the attention.
They have. And the republicans have tried to stop them every step of the way.
He speaks the truth. Obama and the race baiters don't care about the black community. If they did, they would do everything in their power to stop the slaughter in south Chicago. They could care less about black lives except those killed by police, because those killings make them money.
(05-28-2015 09:39 AM)Fitbud Wrote: O'Reilly isn't wrong when he quotes those statistics.
But he never says why? Why is the African American families disfunctional. Why are 73% of black babies born out of wedlock.
That is the crux of the issue.
this^
but on the same token, why don't prominent black figures such as Obama, Sharpton, etc take a more prominent stand on trying to fix these issues? They have the spotlight, they will get the attention.
They have. And the republicans have tried to stop them every step of the way.
only time i've seen obama or sharpton taking a national stage in regards to something like this, they haven't talked about lack of families in the black community.
What I have seen though, is black republicans getting blasted by the black community when they say something along those lines.
(05-28-2015 09:39 AM)Fitbud Wrote: O'Reilly isn't wrong when he quotes those statistics.
But he never says why? Why is the African American families disfunctional. Why are 73% of black babies born out of wedlock.
That is the crux of the issue.
this^
but on the same token, why don't prominent black figures such as Obama, Sharpton, etc take a more prominent stand on trying to fix these issues? They have the spotlight, they will get the attention.
They have. And the republicans have tried to stop them every step of the way.
only time i've seen obama or sharpton taking a national stage in regards to something like this, they haven't talked about lack of families in the black community.
What I have seen though, is black republicans getting blasted by the black community when they say something along those lines.
Be honest. What would be the reaction if Obama stepped up to the stage and said that he was going to do things to help the black community?
The same guys that are complaining now would be saying that he is the president of all of America and not just the black community.
You see. As the first black president he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
This is why criticizing Obama for not doing enough for the black community is bogus.
Because if he did things specifically for the black community, the same people would be complaining.
(05-28-2015 09:39 AM)Fitbud Wrote: O'Reilly isn't wrong when he quotes those statistics.
But he never says why? Why is the African American families disfunctional. Why are 73% of black babies born out of wedlock.
That is the crux of the issue.
this^
but on the same token, why don't prominent black figures such as Obama, Sharpton, etc take a more prominent stand on trying to fix these issues? They have the spotlight, they will get the attention.
They have. And the republicans have tried to stop them every step of the way.
The bolded is completely false. But that is because NCEagle has presented a deflective position. Prominent figures, regardless of race, can't influence individual choices and the way people analyze cost/benefits. The simplest guarantee to is the graduate from high school and not have kids before 21, preferably within a committed relationship. Why do people choose to ignore this sensible advice: because the short term gain of unprotected sex in high school outweighs the future (and thus intangible) benefits of delay.
(05-28-2015 09:39 AM)Fitbud Wrote: O'Reilly isn't wrong when he quotes those statistics.
But he never says why? Why is the African American families disfunctional. Why are 73% of black babies born out of wedlock.
That is the crux of the issue.
this^
but on the same token, why don't prominent black figures such as Obama, Sharpton, etc take a more prominent stand on trying to fix these issues? They have the spotlight, they will get the attention.
They have. And the republicans have tried to stop them every step of the way.
The bolded is completely false. But that is because NCEagle has presented a deflective position. Prominent figures, regardless of race, can't influence individual choices and the way people analyze cost/benefits. The simplest guarantee to is the graduate from high school and not have kids before 21, preferably within a committed relationship. Why do people choose to ignore this sensible advice: because the short term gain of unprotected sex in high school outweighs the future (and thus intangible) benefits of delay.
And how do you influense individual choice and committed relationships and why isn't that happening in black communities?
Which side of the political spectrum has repeatedly attempted to defund programs that would educate these people in this way?
Here in Texas, education has repreatedly been cut even though we implemented the lottery 20years ago to supposedly pay for education.
(This post was last modified: 05-28-2015 09:58 AM by Fitbud.)
(05-28-2015 09:39 AM)Fitbud Wrote: O'Reilly isn't wrong when he quotes those statistics.
But he never says why? Why is the African American families disfunctional. Why are 73% of black babies born out of wedlock.
That is the crux of the issue.
this^
but on the same token, why don't prominent black figures such as Obama, Sharpton, etc take a more prominent stand on trying to fix these issues? They have the spotlight, they will get the attention.
They have. And the republicans have tried to stop them every step of the way.
only time i've seen obama or sharpton taking a national stage in regards to something like this, they haven't talked about lack of families in the black community.
What I have seen though, is black republicans getting blasted by the black community when they say something along those lines.
Be honest. What would be the reaction if Obama stepped up to the stage and said that he was going to do things to help the black community?
The same guys that are complaining now would be saying that he is the president of all of America and not just the black community.
You see. As the first black president he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
This is why criticizing Obama for not doing enough for the black community is bogus.
Because if he did things specifically for the black community, the same people would be complaining.
you will have people on both sides flip ****.
but his own home town has the worst murder rate in probably the world.
when he is done with his presidency, he could reach a lot of people if he focused on reaching young black people in that neighborhood. let's face it, anybody on any side will get criticized by the other side for anything.
But after widely publicized stats of shootings in chicago over memorial day weekend, why doesn't Sharpton go hold a rally? That is a very public figure that the black community looks up to. He has connections at CNN.
he may do stuff locally, but you don't hear about it.
Wouldn't you agree that if black leaders were more vocal nationally about these issues, it would gain more traction? If he portrayed the same passion about this, as he did for the Ferguson fiasco, don't you think people would pay attention?
Chicago's crime problems have nothing whatsoever to do with Obama. And yet people always point to Chicago's problems and attribute them to Obama as if it's his failed policies in Chicago that led to this problem.
You see, that is the kind of bogus criticism that is so wasteful.
You aren't even trying to understand the problem. You're just interested in finding anything to criticize Obama.
(05-28-2015 10:01 AM)Fitbud Wrote: Chicago's crime problems have nothing whatsoever to do with Obama. And yet people always point to Chicago's problems and attribute them to Obama as if it's his failed policies in Chicago that led to this problem.
You see, that is the kind of bogus criticism that is so wasteful.
You aren't even trying to understand the problem. You're just interested in finding anything to criticize Obama.
did I ever say Chicago was Obama's problem or fault?
I'll save you from looking... I didn't.
What i did say is that with Chicago being his hometown, it is likely that he could have a great influence when talking to communities in that area. It would give them someone they feel they could related to since that is his hometown.
Pointing fingers at politicians and interest groups will get us nowhere... fast. The "they didn't do this" or "he should have done that" does nothing to stabilize the issues. It simply allows people to go back to their comfortable political trenches and lob the usual rhetoric at the other side.
The point is that it is an issue that needs to be addressed.
How do we move forward? (no pun intended)
(This post was last modified: 05-28-2015 10:09 AM by TheEagleWay.)
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