(05-09-2015 06:22 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 02:39 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 12:51 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 12:03 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 11:50 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  He was not under arrest when he ran which isn't a crime. There was no probably cause.

You're smarter than that...running from the cops gives probable cause, especially if you are a known criminal.

When have you seen somebody run from the cops and the cops just say "oh well, he wasn't under arrest. No reason to chase him and see why he's running."

Still not a crime. Cops didn't know he had a record when they chased him down. Cons always try to justify force after the fact by blaming the victim. Gray never should have been arrested.

Yea they did. He had been arrested in that same alley or where ever he was by one or more of the same cops on both dope and heroin distribution charges. And convicted. So, given that, why would you suspect he might run?

Exercise?!? lol.

I call BS. So you are saying that the cops recognized him, instantly recalled his record from memory and decided that Gray committed a crime all in the split second it took for him to run? Still not a crime though but keep going.

I'd bet money the cops knew who he was, knew he was a habitual drug dealer/user - and when he ran, assumed he was in possession of drugs, etc. His 30 something other criminal actions he had already been caught for makes him a suspect almost by default.

(05-09-2015 06:22 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 02:39 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 12:51 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 12:03 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 11:50 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  He was not under arrest when he ran which isn't a crime. There was no probably cause.

You're smarter than that...running from the cops gives probable cause, especially if you are a known criminal.

When have you seen somebody run from the cops and the cops just say "oh well, he wasn't under arrest. No reason to chase him and see why he's running."

Still not a crime. Cops didn't know he had a record when they chased him down. Cons always try to justify force after the fact by blaming the victim. Gray never should have been arrested.

Yea they did. He had been arrested in that same alley or where ever he was by one or more of the same cops on both dope and heroin distribution charges. And convicted. So, given that, why would you suspect he might run?

Exercise?!? lol.

I call BS. So you are saying that the cops recognized him, instantly recalled his record from memory and decided that Gray committed a crime all in the split second it took for him to run? Still not a crime though but keep going.

The supreme court has said that running from cops gives suspicion and probably cause for them to pursue and detain or arrest to prevent a probable crime. What don't you understand about that? Running itself isn't a crime but created the probable cause for them to chase and detain. Its very much a clear-cut fact.

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The supreme court has said that running from cops gives suspicion and probably cause for them to pursue and detain or arrest to prevent a probable crime. What don't you understand about that? Running itself isn't a crime but created the probable cause for them to chase and detain. Its very much a clear-cut fact.
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(05-09-2015 01:06 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Having an illegal switchblade IS a crime. BTW, Gray was pretty good at crime, particularly dealing drugs! Glad he's gone from here.

Oh now they have X-ray vision too? Keep it coming folks.

(05-09-2015 06:22 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I call BS. So you are saying that the cops recognized him, instantly recalled his record from memory and decided that Gray committed a crime all in the split second it took for him to run? Still not a crime though but keep going.

Do you really believe that with his record they didn't know who he was?

(05-09-2015 07:29 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 01:06 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Having an illegal switchblade IS a crime. BTW, Gray was pretty good at crime, particularly dealing drugs! Glad he's gone from here.

Oh now they have X-ray vision too? Keep it coming folks.

Why do you hate cops, white cops, so much?

(05-09-2015 07:36 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 06:22 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I call BS. So you are saying that the cops recognized him, instantly recalled his record from memory and decided that Gray committed a crime all in the split second it took for him to run? Still not a crime though but keep going.

Do you really believe that with his record they didn't know who he was?

This time it's Freddie Gray, next time it could be you. These same excuses that you are making for the cops will be used when it's your turn.

(05-09-2015 08:33 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 07:36 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 06:22 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I call BS. So you are saying that the cops recognized him, instantly recalled his record from memory and decided that Gray committed a crime all in the split second it took for him to run? Still not a crime though but keep going.

Do you really believe that with his record they didn't know who he was?

This time it's Freddie Gray, next time it could be you. These same excuses that you are making for the cops will be used when it's your turn.

I'm not making excuses for anyone. I'm calling you out for making a stupid comment. Quit deflecting.

I take it that's a, "No, of course they knew who he was," answer to my question.

(05-09-2015 08:41 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 08:33 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 07:36 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 06:22 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I call BS. So you are saying that the cops recognized him, instantly recalled his record from memory and decided that Gray committed a crime all in the split second it took for him to run? Still not a crime though but keep going.

Do you really believe that with his record they didn't know who he was?

This time it's Freddie Gray, next time it could be you. These same excuses that you are making for the cops will be used when it's your turn.

I'm not making excuses for anyone. I'm calling you out for making a stupid comment. Quit deflecting.

I take it that's a, "No, of course they knew who he was," answer to my question.

You quit deflecting. Nobody has given a reason for an arrest. Running is not a reason for an arrest. The knife was not illegal

(05-09-2015 08:46 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  You quit deflecting. Nobody has given a reason for an arrest. Running is not a reason for an arrest. The knife was not illegal

There is some debate as to whether the knife was legal or not. Last I saw, it was not legal.

Running is not a reason to kill someone. It is a legitimate reason to stop him. The Supreme Court has so ruled. Particularly if the individual is a known repeat criminal, which is also not certain in this case, but a very likely possibility. Probably more likely than not.

None of that excuses the death. But it is far from established that this was an illegal or improper arrest or detention.

(05-09-2015 08:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 08:46 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  You quit deflecting. Nobody has given a reason for an arrest. Running is not a reason for an arrest. The knife was not illegal

There is some debate as to whether the knife was legal or not. Last I saw, it was not legal.

Running is not a reason to kill someone. It is a legitimate reason to stop him. The Supreme Court has so ruled. Particularly if the individual is a known repeat criminal, which is also not certain in this case, but a very likely possibility. Probably more likely than not.

None of that excuses the death. But it is far from established that this was an illegal or improper arrest or detention.

It is legal to detain but not arrest. It still doesn't excuse the death.

(05-09-2015 09:11 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 08:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 08:46 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  You quit deflecting. Nobody has given a reason for an arrest. Running is not a reason for an arrest. The knife was not illegal

There is some debate as to whether the knife was legal or not. Last I saw, it was not legal.
Running is not a reason to kill someone. It is a legitimate reason to stop him. The Supreme Court has so ruled. Particularly if the individual is a known repeat criminal, which is also not certain in this case, but a very likely possibility. Probably more likely than not.
None of that excuses the death. But it is far from established that this was an illegal or improper arrest or detention.

It is legal to detain but not arrest. It still doesn't excuse the death.

If the knife was illegal it's a legal arrest. What I'm seeing is that the knife did not violate state law, but did violate a city ordinance. We agree that it doesn't excuse the death.

(05-09-2015 07:29 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 01:06 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Having an illegal switchblade IS a crime. BTW, Gray was pretty good at crime, particularly dealing drugs! Glad he's gone from here.

Oh now they have X-ray vision too? Keep it coming folks.

Hey man, it's my understanding with cops and repeat offenders , particularly degree dealers, like Gray, all the cod know them. It's s revolving door in and out of jail! Grays rap sheet proves how often he was arrested.

(05-09-2015 09:11 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 08:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 08:46 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  You quit deflecting. Nobody has given a reason for an arrest. Running is not a reason for an arrest. The knife was not illegal

There is some debate as to whether the knife was legal or not. Last I saw, it was not legal.

Running is not a reason to kill someone. It is a legitimate reason to stop him. The Supreme Court has so ruled. Particularly if the individual is a known repeat criminal, which is also not certain in this case, but a very likely possibility. Probably more likely than not.

None of that excuses the death. But it is far from established that this was an illegal or improper arrest or detention.

It is legal to detain but not arrest. It still doesn't excuse the death.

It could be grounds for arrest if they felt arresting him could prevent an impending crime from being committed.

I really don't understand the exception you take to his arrest. Had he not died of his injuries in the van, nobody would know his name or think there was anything wrong with the arrest. His death in custody is not excused, but it certainly doesnt appealing his civil righta were violated or that his death was intentionally caused by the cops.

(05-09-2015 04:10 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 02:45 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-08-2015 11:16 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

What do you have against black people?

What do you have against white people?

I asked you first.

(05-09-2015 02:45 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-08-2015 11:16 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

What do you have against black people?

I'm not the OP, but I don't have a thing against black people.


My problem is with leftists, like you, who make everything about race.

If Freddie Gray had been white this isn't an issue at all.

(05-09-2015 11:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 02:45 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-08-2015 11:16 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

What do you have against black people?

I'm not the OP, but I don't have a thing against black people.


My problem is with leftists, like you, who make everything about race.

If Freddie Gray had been white this isn't an issue at all.

He just trolls for responses. Ignore him.

(05-09-2015 10:08 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 04:10 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 02:45 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-08-2015 11:16 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

What do you have against black people?

What do you have against white people?

I asked you first.

...and I answered with a question.

(05-09-2015 06:22 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 02:39 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 12:51 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 12:03 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 11:50 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  He was not under arrest when he ran which isn't a crime. There was no probably cause.

You're smarter than that...running from the cops gives probable cause, especially if you are a known criminal.

When have you seen somebody run from the cops and the cops just say "oh well, he wasn't under arrest. No reason to chase him and see why he's running."

Still not a crime. Cops didn't know he had a record when they chased him down. Cons always try to justify force after the fact by blaming the victim. Gray never should have been arrested.

Yea they did. He had been arrested in that same alley or where ever he was by one or more of the same cops on both dope and heroin distribution charges. And convicted. So, given that, why would you suspect he might run?

Exercise?!? lol.

I call BS. So you are saying that the cops recognized him, instantly recalled his record from memory and decided that Gray committed a crime all in the split second it took for him to run? Still not a crime though but keep going.

Lol. Call whatever you'd like doesn't change anything. He was WELL known in the neighborhood (or 'Hood, I think it's called), as most career criminals are and they caught him, early-ish A.M. in an alley he apparently frequented.

Guess you'll believe he was out walking his cat...

(05-10-2015 01:24 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 06:22 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 02:39 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 12:51 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 12:03 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  You're smarter than that...running from the cops gives probable cause, especially if you are a known criminal.

When have you seen somebody run from the cops and the cops just say "oh well, he wasn't under arrest. No reason to chase him and see why he's running."

Still not a crime. Cops didn't know he had a record when they chased him down. Cons always try to justify force after the fact by blaming the victim. Gray never should have been arrested.

Yea they did. He had been arrested in that same alley or where ever he was by one or more of the same cops on both dope and heroin distribution charges. And convicted. So, given that, why would you suspect he might run?

Exercise?!? lol.

I call BS. So you are saying that the cops recognized him, instantly recalled his record from memory and decided that Gray committed a crime all in the split second it took for him to run? Still not a crime though but keep going.

Lol. Call whatever you'd like doesn't change anything. He was WELL known in the neighborhood (or 'Hood, I think it's called), as most career criminals are and they caught him, early-ish A.M. in an alley he apparently frequented.

Guess you'll believe he was out walking his cat...

Is that your justification for the arrest and subsequent death?