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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
The ACC needs to divide the Pac + SEC and the B1G + Big XII on a major issue that the ACC can go either way on. The ACC should then condition support for the SEC + Pac on something blocking ND from a NCG without conference membership.

The ACC should then add GU and VU and take PSU and create a PSU-friendly setup with yearly games against SU, Pitt, VT, ND, and at least one Florida school.

I doubt that Texas will leave the Big XII without securing unreasonable terms, and ND won't willingly join a conference until much of their mystique has faded.
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
Look, this really boils down to several options for the ACC. The dilemma is that the best options come at a price. Here's how I see it breaking down.

The idea of Texas coming with an independent deal like the Irish is a great idea and it has gained a lot of traction in the speculation circles, but Texas has habitually been a part of conferences. Now granted the conferences they have been a part of have had Texas at the center, but they have been conferences nonetheless. At some point I have to ask does Texas really want to be apart from a conference for football? I'm not so sure they would, but if they did the ACC would likely be the reason. Texas will want traditional games on the schedule to keep favor with their fan base. But that fan base would rather see games against Arkansas, Oklahoma, Baylor, A&M, Tech and other usual foes with a smattering of top names from around the country mixed in. In the ACC I could see Texas liking games with F.S.U. and Miami. Georgia Tech games might be interesting for them and maybe Clemson. N.D. is a given. But outside of those who would move the needle? So if Texas ever obliquely joins a conference and keeps football independence then the ACC would be it, but more for reasons of building a palatable home schedule than because they just want to be independent. So I'm not sold that bringing other Texas schools with them would be an issue with a 5 conference game schedule, especially if the could have a couple of annual ACC games and rotate 3.

But, if you want them as full members, and eventually the Irish as well, then work has to be done to attract the Horns. Face it, the ACC built a conference to be friendly for Notre Dame whether that was their intention originally or not. You have Southern recruiting areas that are now venues for Irish play and yet you have Pitt, B.C., Syracuse and the Virginia's for Beltway and New England appeal. However you have nothing for Texas. So if your goal is to attract the Horns as full members (and their network) you'll have to grant 4 slots minimum for a Western 1/2 division. That means you would have to rule out W.V.U. as one of those slots (unless your goal is to go to 18). If you do want to go to 18 then you will need a minimum of 5 western slots, and likely 6 to get the move done. Admittedly Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas along with one of the privates would fit well enough into the ACC academically, but I don't count six out there anywhere in the Big 12 that would pass muster. So my conclusion is this. If you eventually want Texas (and N.D.) as a full member you are going to have to plan on a 16 school conference to successfully accomplish this. If you count the Irish in then you stand at 15 and you will need three slots to make that western 1/2 division. That means two current schools need to exit to make it happen. Since N.C. State and Virginia Tech are the redundant brands that cost you no footprint loss, I think ESPN originally floated this concept 3 years ago to see how it would fly. So in order to get to 16 with Texas and N.D. fully a complicated swap would be needed. The SEC gets into Virginia and North Carolina and stops at 16. Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas come to the ACC, and Louisville moves West. Deal done.

At 18 the SEC could still work the trade and take the two complicated little brothers, Oklahoma State and Kansas State. T.C.U./Texas Tech and Iowa State join the ACC with the aforementioned and now you have a western division of 6. If you like Miami or Louisville could shift west and instead of adding T.C.U./Texas Tech you replace that slot with West Virginia.

Baylor, Kansas, Louisville, Miami, Oklahoma and Texas now make your new Western Division.

Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Wake Forest make your Southern Division.

Boston College, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia, and West Virginia now form your Northern Division.

The SEC adds the two I mentioned and now you have 8 schools taken which is enough to dissolve the conference without the help of the PAC or Big 10. If the PAC wants into Texas they have T.C.U. and Texas Tech with which to do it (or Rice or Houston).

With all of that said, and some rehashed, the simplest solution is just to take Texas as an independent with nobody promised a spot. The Horns will have 7 other games with which to schedule their in state rivals and key games.

Then the SEC takes Oklahoma and somebody and stops at 16. Everybody else can figure the rest of it out once both of our conferences have who we want.

If you want the Horns full time (and their network) then ESPN is going to have to have cooperation from Chapel Hill that heretofore it has not had.

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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
Iowa State? No. They'll never be in the ACC.

You also left out Duke.

I'd be fine with dumping VT and NC State for OU, Texas, Baylor, TCU and Kansas, though I'm not sure VT or NC State would agree to that.

I'm ok with a 9 game ACC schedule assuming FSU gets Clemson and Miami every year and faces at least one of GT, OU, Texas and ND each year, while playing through on a ~3 year cycle, which appears possible in a 3x6 alignment with both 8 and 9 game schedules.

The simplest would be a 5+2+2: All 5 in your division/pod, and rotate through the other divisions every 3 years by playing 2 each year.

So this setup (no crossover rivals):
FSU..........ND..........UL
Clemson....Pitt.........TCU
GT............BC..........Texas
Miami.......UVA........Kansas
Duke........UNC........OU
Wake.......Cuse........Baylor

But that middle division is weak.

So perhaps have 3 permanent division rivals and rotate the remaining two every other year. Then play 3 each in the other two divisions. So you play every one in very division once in a 2 year period, and play 3 teams in your division every year.
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(05-05-2015 07:22 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Iowa State? No. They'll never be in the ACC.

You also left out Duke.

I'd be fine with dumping VT and NC State for OU, Texas, Baylor, TCU and Kansas, though I'm not sure VT or NC State would agree to that.

Yep, I overlooked Duke. But the point I was making was that simply taking Texas would likely be enough. If they only played 5 ACC games they could still schedule, A&M, Oklahoma, Baylor, Texas Tech, or even Arkansas and have 2 games left over for anyone else that pleased their ticket buyers. Five games then against ACC schools provides some freshness. The only problem with this approach is I'm not sure how the LHN issue gets resolved.
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
What issue? It's the same as ND. They keep their tv deal but only receive a few hundred thousand from the ACC.

And why would the Big 12 stay together if Texas was no longer a football member? That's why you add the other schools.
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(05-05-2015 08:11 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  What issue? It's the same as ND. They keep their tv deal but only receive a few hundred thousand from the ACC.

And why would the Big 12 stay together if Texas was no longer a football member? That's why you add the other schools.

Yes to the first part. And no to the second part. A timeline was not discussed. We would be looking at 5 to 6 years out on movement. Besides the division of product wouldn't end with Texas and Oklahoma. Kansas has value to anyone. A piece of Texas without the Horns would still be on the table for the PAC. Where the other pieces fall would simply be determined by what conferences were looking for. If academics Iowa State lands a place, if markets the Texas schools have value. If politics plays a part then Oklahoma State and Kansas State will find a home. All of these things would happen no matter what if Texas and Oklahoma want to be elsewhere. So the irony is that if they really want a easier time finding a home they should encourage Texas and OU to move now and use their leverage. The longer they wait the more precarious and desperate some of their futures will become.

If realignment were left up to me the SEC would simply take Oklahoma and Florida State and end with two brands that would only build upon what we have. Two brands that would fit.
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(05-05-2015 08:11 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  What issue? It's the same as ND. They keep their tv deal but only receive a few hundred thousand from the ACC.

And why would the Big 12 stay together if Texas was no longer a football member? That's why you add the other schools.

I think the Big 12 would stay together if Oklahoma decided to stay. Texas could do a ND deal with an expanded Big 12. The Big 12 wouldn't lose all of Texas just a few games. The Big 12 could add footprint with Cincy, Memphis and UCF. Add a Big 12 network and a Conference Championship game. Oklahoma would have the easiest path to the CFP. ND would love this as well. They would still have Sugar tie-in I believe.
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I just can't see a scenario where the B12 dissolves without all 10 accounted for.

So I couldn't resist giving this a try:

B12 + SEC + ACC = 38 teams

Move NC ST and VT to SEC. Add Cincinnati and ND to the ACC and absorb all 10 from the B12. Split up into pods of 5 with a 4 + 5 schedule. (or better yet 4 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 1 conf crossover)

Quote:Conf Pod School
ACC 1 Virginia
ACC 1 UNC
ACC 1 Duke
ACC 1 GT
ACC 1 Clemson
ACC 2 ND
ACC 2 BC
ACC 2 Syracuse
ACC 2 PITT
ACC 2 WVU
ACC 3 Cincinnati
ACC 3 Wake
ACC 3 Louisville
ACC 3 FSU
ACC 3 Miami
ACC 4 TX
ACC 4 OU
ACC 4 Kansas
ACC 4 Baylor
ACC 4 TCU

Conf Pod School
SEC 1 OK ST
SEC 1 KS ST
SEC 1 IA ST
SEC 1 Missouri
SEC 1 Arkansas
SEC 2 Vanderbilt
SEC 2 Kentucky
SEC 2 Tennessee
SEC 2 NC ST
SEC 2 VT
SEC 3 Alabama
SEC 3 Auburn
SEC 3 Florida
SEC 3 Georgia
SEC 3 SC
SEC 4 LSU
SEC 4 Miss St
SEC 4 Ole Miss
SEC 4 TX A&M
SEC 4 TT
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(05-05-2015 10:03 PM)swardy76 Wrote:  I just can't see a scenario where the B12 dissolves without all 10 accounted for.

So I couldn't resist giving this a try:

B12 + SEC + ACC = 38 teams

Move NC ST and VT to SEC. Add Cincinnati and ND to the ACC and absorb all 10 from the B12. Split up into pods of 5 with a 4 + 5 schedule. (or better yet 4 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 1 conf crossover)

Quote:Conf Pod School
ACC 1 Virginia
ACC 1 UNC
ACC 1 Duke
ACC 1 GT
ACC 1 Clemson
ACC 2 ND
ACC 2 BC
ACC 2 Syracuse
ACC 2 PITT
ACC 2 WVU
ACC 3 Cincinnati
ACC 3 Wake
ACC 3 Louisville
ACC 3 FSU
ACC 3 Miami
ACC 4 TX
ACC 4 OU
ACC 4 Kansas
ACC 4 Baylor
ACC 4 TCU

Conf Pod School
SEC 1 OK ST
SEC 1 KS ST
SEC 1 IA ST
SEC 1 Missouri
SEC 1 Arkansas
SEC 2 Vanderbilt
SEC 2 Kentucky
SEC 2 Tennessee
SEC 2 NC ST
SEC 2 VT
SEC 3 Alabama
SEC 3 Auburn
SEC 3 Florida
SEC 3 Georgia
SEC 3 SC
SEC 4 LSU
SEC 4 Miss St
SEC 4 Ole Miss
SEC 4 TX A&M
SEC 4 TT

The permanent crossover games are:

TT vs Baylor
SC vs Clemson
Florida vs FSU
Georgia vs GT
KS ST vs Kansas
Kentucky vs Louisville
OK ST vs OU
Arkansas vs TCU
TX A&M vs TX
NC ST vs UNC
VT vs Virginia
Vanderbilt vs Wake

And you rotate these:
IA ST
Missouri
Tennessee
Alabama
Auburn
LSU
Miss St
Ole Miss

with these:
ND
BC
Syracuse
PITT
Duke
WVU
Cincinnati
Miami

There are some choice matchups with ND, Miami, and possibly WVU. And though they might sound less interesting Syracuse vs Alabama or BC vs Tennessee would do well in TV ratings.
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(05-05-2015 08:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-05-2015 08:11 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  What issue? It's the same as ND. They keep their tv deal but only receive a few hundred thousand from the ACC.

And why would the Big 12 stay together if Texas was no longer a football member? That's why you add the other schools.

Yes to the first part. And no to the second part. A timeline was not discussed. We would be looking at 5 to 6 years out on movement. Besides the division of product wouldn't end with Texas and Oklahoma. Kansas has value to anyone. A piece of Texas without the Horns would still be on the table for the PAC. Where the other pieces fall would simply be determined by what conferences were looking for. If academics Iowa State lands a place, if markets the Texas schools have value. If politics plays a part then Oklahoma State and Kansas State will find a home. All of these things would happen no matter what if Texas and Oklahoma want to be elsewhere. So the irony is that if they really want a easier time finding a home they should encourage Texas and OU to move now and use their leverage. The longer they wait the more precarious and desperate some of their futures will become.

If realignment were left up to me the SEC would simply take Oklahoma and Florida State and end with two brands that would only build upon what we have. Two brands that would fit.

I have no idea what you're saying.

If Texas were willing to join the ACC in all sports but football, but with a 5-game football agreement, there would be zero reason to keep the Big 12 alive. For one, there's no way their tv partners would continue their current payments without Texas. Even if it did manage to survive in the short-term, it'd be greatly destabilized. So if the ACC is going to take Texas in that type of deal, then there's no reason not to also lure OU and a few other schools that would secure that western front. Once you pilfer the linchpin of the conference, you may as well go and pluck up the rest of the schools you're interested in, too.
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(05-05-2015 08:40 PM)Dasville Wrote:  
(05-05-2015 08:11 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  What issue? It's the same as ND. They keep their tv deal but only receive a few hundred thousand from the ACC.

And why would the Big 12 stay together if Texas was no longer a football member? That's why you add the other schools.

I think the Big 12 would stay together if Oklahoma decided to stay. Texas could do a ND deal with an expanded Big 12. The Big 12 wouldn't lose all of Texas just a few games. The Big 12 could add footprint with Cincy, Memphis and UCF. Add a Big 12 network and a Conference Championship game. Oklahoma would have the easiest path to the CFP. ND would love this as well. They would still have Sugar tie-in I believe.

No they couldn't. The scenario was specifically referring to Texas doing an ND deal with the ACC, so they couldn't do one with the Big 12.

And "if" OU decided to stay? What if they didn't decide to stay? What if they didn't think replacing Texas with Memphis, UC and UCF was a great tradeoff?
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(05-05-2015 11:34 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(05-05-2015 08:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-05-2015 08:11 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  What issue? It's the same as ND. They keep their tv deal but only receive a few hundred thousand from the ACC.

And why would the Big 12 stay together if Texas was no longer a football member? That's why you add the other schools.

Yes to the first part. And no to the second part. A timeline was not discussed. We would be looking at 5 to 6 years out on movement. Besides the division of product wouldn't end with Texas and Oklahoma. Kansas has value to anyone. A piece of Texas without the Horns would still be on the table for the PAC. Where the other pieces fall would simply be determined by what conferences were looking for. If academics Iowa State lands a place, if markets the Texas schools have value. If politics plays a part then Oklahoma State and Kansas State will find a home. All of these things would happen no matter what if Texas and Oklahoma want to be elsewhere. So the irony is that if they really want a easier time finding a home they should encourage Texas and OU to move now and use their leverage. The longer they wait the more precarious and desperate some of their futures will become.

If realignment were left up to me the SEC would simply take Oklahoma and Florida State and end with two brands that would only build upon what we have. Two brands that would fit.

I have no idea what you're saying.

If Texas were willing to join the ACC in all sports but football, but with a 5-game football agreement, there would be zero reason to keep the Big 12 alive. For one, there's no way their tv partners would continue their current payments without Texas. Even if it did manage to survive in the short-term, it'd be greatly destabilized. So if the ACC is going to take Texas in that type of deal, then there's no reason not to also lure OU and a few other schools that would secure that western front. Once you pilfer the linchpin of the conference, you may as well go and pluck up the rest of the schools you're interested in, too.

I agreed with your view of N.D.'s relationship. And I was merely stating that should Texas or Oklahoma choose to leave it would be better for the remainder of the schools if they did it sooner and used their weight to leverage some of them a new home as well. The irony is that the closer they get to the end of the GOR the more precarious it becomes for the non brands. So essentially we assess their situation similarly. If one of the top two brands leaves, particularly Texas, it's over. I merely added that sooner would actually be better for the rest than later would be.
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IMO, the ACC has always had the ability to destroy the Big XII (well, ever since the mass exodus of 2012 at least!). Now that the mold has been case (the Notre Dame deal) it's even easier...

http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2012/0...-bomb.html

Look, the Big XII can't even agree on adding a championship game that costs them nothing (no expansion) and only makes money!

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...off-050515
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(05-06-2015 08:00 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  IMO, the ACC has always had the ability to destroy the Big XII (well, ever since the mass exodus of 2012 at least!). Now that the mold has been case (the Notre Dame deal) it's even easier...

http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2012/0...-bomb.html

Look, the Big XII can't even agree on adding a championship game that costs them nothing (no expansion) and only makes money!

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...off-050515

The problem with offering too many folks a ND type deal is that there will be too may schools that think they deserve one. I personally dont think Texas deserves one. I really dont think that ND deserves one. But what makes ND palatable is the fact that they were already an independent that wants to stay independent, and its part of their illustrious history and their very identity. Being independent is not part of Texas or Oklahoma's history. So why offer them a ND type deal?
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(05-05-2015 11:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-05-2015 11:34 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(05-05-2015 08:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-05-2015 08:11 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  What issue? It's the same as ND. They keep their tv deal but only receive a few hundred thousand from the ACC.

And why would the Big 12 stay together if Texas was no longer a football member? That's why you add the other schools.

Yes to the first part. And no to the second part. A timeline was not discussed. We would be looking at 5 to 6 years out on movement. Besides the division of product wouldn't end with Texas and Oklahoma. Kansas has value to anyone. A piece of Texas without the Horns would still be on the table for the PAC. Where the other pieces fall would simply be determined by what conferences were looking for. If academics Iowa State lands a place, if markets the Texas schools have value. If politics plays a part then Oklahoma State and Kansas State will find a home. All of these things would happen no matter what if Texas and Oklahoma want to be elsewhere. So the irony is that if they really want a easier time finding a home they should encourage Texas and OU to move now and use their leverage. The longer they wait the more precarious and desperate some of their futures will become.

If realignment were left up to me the SEC would simply take Oklahoma and Florida State and end with two brands that would only build upon what we have. Two brands that would fit.

I have no idea what you're saying.

If Texas were willing to join the ACC in all sports but football, but with a 5-game football agreement, there would be zero reason to keep the Big 12 alive. For one, there's no way their tv partners would continue their current payments without Texas. Even if it did manage to survive in the short-term, it'd be greatly destabilized. So if the ACC is going to take Texas in that type of deal, then there's no reason not to also lure OU and a few other schools that would secure that western front. Once you pilfer the linchpin of the conference, you may as well go and pluck up the rest of the schools you're interested in, too.

I agreed with your view of N.D.'s relationship. And I was merely stating that should Texas or Oklahoma choose to leave it would be better for the remainder of the schools if they did it sooner and used their weight to leverage some of them a new home as well. The irony is that the closer they get to the end of the GOR the more precarious it becomes for the non brands. So essentially we assess their situation similarly. If one of the top two brands leaves, particularly Texas, it's over. I merely added that sooner would actually be better for the rest than later would be.

here's how it could work...

The ACC takes 6 from the Big12: Texas, TCU, Baylor, OSU, KState and WVU. ND keeps its 5 game deal with the ACC. The 5 team pods work out very neatly and logically. The ACC's footprint is monstrous and the ACCN will be a rou$ing success.

The SEC takes OU and KU, two highly desirable schools in two new states to the SEC. Basketball improves a good bit with this move.

New ACC-SEC matchups - Texas - aTm, KU-KSU, OU-OSU.

That is 8 schools, enough to dissolve the conference. Sorry TTech and ISU.
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(05-06-2015 08:00 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  IMO, the ACC has always had the ability to destroy the Big XII (well, ever since the mass exodus of 2012 at least!). Now that the mold has been case (the Notre Dame deal) it's even easier...

http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2012/0...-bomb.html

Look, the Big XII can't even agree on adding a championship game that costs them nothing (no expansion) and only makes money!

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...off-050515

I don't agree with your blog on that specific scenario. If the Big 12 is literally in the process of tearing the ACC apart, I don't see Texas or OU doing an about face to then join the "weaker" conference.

To get Texas and OU to join the ACC via an ND-type of deal, it would have to be proposed before the ACC was in near-ruins, not while the ACC is in near-ruins. It'd be like the Titanic trying to sell more tickets even though it's just moments away from crashing into that pesky iceberg.

But I just don't see why they would join the ACC right now regardless. And if the ACC is going to grant partial membership status to multiple schools, shouldn't they also afford FSU that opportunity?

According to Dennis Dodd (I believe that's who I read it from yesterday), 30.3% of major conference CGs have ended in upsets. So roughly 70% of the time a CG will actually help the Big 12, by at least putting their champion on even footing with the other major conferences. At present, they will be dinged by the selection committee 100% of the time for not having a CG, so going from 100% to 30% (percentage of upsets) is another big win for the conference. None of that even speaks to the additional money it would bring, if only $1-2M/school.
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(05-06-2015 08:44 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(05-06-2015 08:00 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  IMO, the ACC has always had the ability to destroy the Big XII (well, ever since the mass exodus of 2012 at least!). Now that the mold has been case (the Notre Dame deal) it's even easier...

http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2012/0...-bomb.html

Look, the Big XII can't even agree on adding a championship game that costs them nothing (no expansion) and only makes money!

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...off-050515

I don't agree with your blog on that specific scenario. If the Big 12 is literally in the process of tearing the ACC apart, I don't see Texas or OU doing an about face to then join the "weaker" conference.
Not join all-in, but more of a deal to allow them to drop the dead weight they are already carrying. Sorry, FSU, you are not on the same level as Texas.

Quote:According to Dennis Dodd (I believe that's who I read it from yesterday), 30.3% of major conference CGs have ended in upsets. So roughly 70% of the time a CG will actually help the Big 12, by at least putting their champion on even footing with the other major conferences. At present, they will be dinged by the selection committee 100% of the time for not having a CG, so going from 100% to 30% (percentage of upsets) is another big win for the conference. None of that even speaks to the additional money it would bring, if only $1-2M/school.
I agree with you... it's all upside, so why aren't they itching to do it? Something is rotten in Denmark!
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(05-06-2015 08:10 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(05-06-2015 08:00 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  IMO, the ACC has always had the ability to destroy the Big XII (well, ever since the mass exodus of 2012 at least!). Now that the mold has been case (the Notre Dame deal) it's even easier...

http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2012/0...-bomb.html

Look, the Big XII can't even agree on adding a championship game that costs them nothing (no expansion) and only makes money!

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...off-050515

The problem with offering too many folks a ND type deal is that there will be too may schools that think they deserve one. I personally dont think Texas deserves one. I really dont think that ND deserves one. But what makes ND palatable is the fact that they were already an independent that wants to stay independent, and its part of their illustrious history and their very identity. Being independent is not part of Texas or Oklahoma's history. So why offer them a ND type deal?

And a part of that identity is that of a school with a major following in the northeast, and relationships with several current ACC members. Texas and Oklahoma have none of that.

Texas' identity, on the other hand, in inextricably linked to their state and its mania for football. Texas would need to maintain that by continuing to schedule heavily with their regional rivals. Taking on five games against ACC opponents wouldn't be much different than what they have now. At best, they would be getting two quality games in any one year, and three mediocre ones. They already have that schedule, plus a revenue stream outside their B12 distribution.

And Marge makes a good point. If the ACC is going to let outsiders get a sweetheart deal, why not allow current members to opt for the same deal? Heck, why not just have a whole slew of teams that could all play each other plus a smattering of ACC teams, without having to give up the security of a nice home for their other sports? Where does it end?
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(05-05-2015 08:11 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  And why would the Big 12 stay together if Texas was no longer a football member? That's why you add the other schools.

Are you kidding? what are Texas Tech and TCU just going to up and join a conference? Iowa State? Kansas State?

ya, Kansas State is just going to join the SEC, its all good

Texas Tech to the Big 10!
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(05-06-2015 09:02 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(05-06-2015 08:44 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(05-06-2015 08:00 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  IMO, the ACC has always had the ability to destroy the Big XII (well, ever since the mass exodus of 2012 at least!). Now that the mold has been case (the Notre Dame deal) it's even easier...

http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2012/0...-bomb.html

Look, the Big XII can't even agree on adding a championship game that costs them nothing (no expansion) and only makes money!

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...off-050515

I don't agree with your blog on that specific scenario. If the Big 12 is literally in the process of tearing the ACC apart, I don't see Texas or OU doing an about face to then join the "weaker" conference.
Not join all-in, but more of a deal to allow them to drop the dead weight they are already carrying. Sorry, FSU, you are not on the same level as Texas.

Same level as Oklahoma and Texas? Yes, I think so.

Besides, that doesn't explain the ridiculous notion that those two schools would just leave the Big 12 despite the Big 12 being in the process of literally tearing the ACC apart. That makes no sense.
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