(05-01-2015 10:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:52 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:43 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:36 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  What the thugs, hooligans, race baiters, goons, ruffians and media hacks fail to understand is that legal matters take time. This was going to happen.

All they have simply done is hurt their community.

You actually think that these officers would have been charged had there been no video or outrage?

Bless your heart.

Yes.

These things take time to investigate. We live in a world of instant gratification. Due process takes time.

Due process is not important to those looking to be opportunists. That is what we saw in Baltimore. Opportunists looting and destroying.

If that is all you saw in Baltimore then you have a very myopic outlook on life.

If you couldn't see some of that you are possibly blind, ignorant, or stupid. Really think those high school kids that looted the mall weren't being opportunistic?

(05-01-2015 10:48 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:46 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:45 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:44 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  You actually think that these officers would have been charged had there been no video or outrage?

Bless your heart.

Look, I get it, you love trolling topics like this.

And when you have no argument, you resort to name calling.

We get it.

No argument? The burden is upon you to prove that this wouldn't have happened without protest/violence/thuggery.

You really can't, so you troll.

On the contrary. You are the one who said that this would have happened anyway.

So the burden of proof is on you .

Freddy Gray Incident: April 12th, 2015

Earliest indication of an investigation I could find: April 14th, 2015

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/marylan...story.html

The officers have been placed on administrative assignment pending the outcome of the investigation. Police ask any additional witnesses of the incident to come forward.

First Protest (Nothing wrong with this): April 18th, 20105

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/baltimo...ts-n351156

First Riot: April 27th, 2015

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/baltimo...ts-n351156


Read it.

It was quoted that in investigation was taking place 15 days before the first riot.

Riot never sparked an investigation.

(05-01-2015 10:57 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:52 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:43 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  You actually think that these officers would have been charged had there been no video or outrage?

Bless your heart.

Yes.

These things take time to investigate. We live in a world of instant gratification. Due process takes time.

Due process is not important to those looking to be opportunists. That is what we saw in Baltimore. Opportunists looting and destroying.

If that is all you saw in Baltimore then you have a very myopic outlook on life.

If you couldn't see some of that you are possibly blind, ignorant, or stupid. Really think those high school kids that looted the mall weren't being opportunistic?

Of course they were but that isn't what this whole thing was about.

I understand however why some have to focus only on the rioting in order to justify their feelings.

(05-01-2015 10:26 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:22 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Fit is the one who says he was taught to run from the police..

I was. Growing up, if the cops ever caught you, they would harass the crap out of you. Therefore, we learned a a very young age that if we saw a cop car, we would run.

Perhaps you didn't grow up in a neighborhood where the cops basically patroled your streets all the time.

They wouldn't patrol the street if their presence was not needed there.

Cops tend to frequent areas that need their attention...Common sense if you ask me!

(05-01-2015 10:05 AM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  Homicide. 2nd degree murder.

Many of the other officers get involuntary manslaughter and assault charges.

Wow.

It's hard for me to imagine how they'll have enough proof to convict. My feeling at this time - and it is no more or less than than an uninformed opinion - is that the arresting officers probably did something at the time of arrest that caused his injuries, but there is a lot of room for the defense to create reasonable doubt. That said, I don't see how you could possibly charge more than 2-3 officers - the ones that moved him from where he was handcuffed to the van, and may have either actively caused the injuries or have been a party to the incident.

(05-01-2015 10:58 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:48 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:46 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:45 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:44 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  Look, I get it, you love trolling topics like this.

And when you have no argument, you resort to name calling.

We get it.

No argument? The burden is upon you to prove that this wouldn't have happened without protest/violence/thuggery.

You really can't, so you troll.

On the contrary. You are the one who said that this would have happened anyway.

So the burden of proof is on you .

Freddy Gray Incident: April 12th, 2015

Earliest indication of an investigation I could find: April 14th, 2015

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/marylan...story.html

The officers have been placed on administrative assignment pending the outcome of the investigation. Police ask any additional witnesses of the incident to come forward.

First Protest (Nothing wrong with this): April 18th, 20105

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/baltimo...ts-n351156

First Riot: April 27th, 2015

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/baltimo...ts-n351156


Read it.

It was quoted that in investigation was taking place 15 days before the first riot.

Riot never sparked an investigation.

Add to that...
April 13 - Baltimore PD defends their actions: "At no time ... did I see a use of force at that moment"
April 14 - Freddie Gray undergoes surgery
April 19 - Freddie Gray died of his injuries

Freddie Gray: From Baltimore Arrest to Protests, a Timeline of the Case - NBC News.com

(05-01-2015 11:02 AM)Tomcat Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:26 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:22 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Fit is the one who says he was taught to run from the police..

I was. Growing up, if the cops ever caught you, they would harass the crap out of you. Therefore, we learned a a very young age that if we saw a cop car, we would run.

Perhaps you didn't grow up in a neighborhood where the cops basically patroled your streets all the time.

They wouldn't patrol the street if their presence was not needed there.

Cops tend to frequent areas that need their attention...Common sense if you ask me!

Perhaps you are correct. But isn't it also possible that they simply assumed that those areas would have more crime simply because their was a large minority population?

What is really funny Fit, is that this was actually a topic for the city of Baltimore last year.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2014-06...e-officers

The Baltimore Police Department says it will begin to post a log of its investigations into serious use of force by officers online, and for the first time will ask the city's civilian review board to look at shootings involving its officers and deaths of people in custody.

Police Commissioner Anthony W. Batts said the move was the latest in a series intended to improve transparency and accountability.

They even have specific group that investigates incidences called "Force Investigation Team".

"We have a responsibility to be as forthright and transparent as the law allows us to be, especially when it comes to our use of force," Batts told reporters Tuesday. He said the city force would be the first in the state to display such information online.

The agency began posting a list of incidents being investigated by a newly created "Force Investigation Team" online this week

(05-01-2015 10:58 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:57 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:52 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:43 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Yes.

These things take time to investigate. We live in a world of instant gratification. Due process takes time.

Due process is not important to those looking to be opportunists. That is what we saw in Baltimore. Opportunists looting and destroying.

If that is all you saw in Baltimore then you have a very myopic outlook on life.

If you couldn't see some of that you are possibly blind, ignorant, or stupid. Really think those high school kids that looted the mall weren't being opportunistic?

Of course they were but that isn't what this whole thing was about.

I understand however why some have to focus only on the rioting in order to justify their feelings.

detroying their neighborhood didn't justify their feelings. Its made them look like ignorant fools... My guess is you will be calling the phrase 'ignorant fools' racist now.

You don't think those that looted the liquor store were being opportunistic either do you? You don't think the ones that stole the cars while the cops watched and ran them into fires they set were being opportunistic?

(05-01-2015 11:11 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:58 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:57 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:52 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Due process is not important to those looking to be opportunists. That is what we saw in Baltimore. Opportunists looting and destroying.

If that is all you saw in Baltimore then you have a very myopic outlook on life.

If you couldn't see some of that you are possibly blind, ignorant, or stupid. Really think those high school kids that looted the mall weren't being opportunistic?

Of course they were but that isn't what this whole thing was about.

I understand however why some have to focus only on the rioting in order to justify their feelings.

detroying their neighborhood didn't justify their feelings. Its made them look like ignorant fools... My guess is you will be calling the phrase 'ignorant fools' racist now.

You don't think those that looted the liquor store were being opportunistic either do you? You don't think the ones that stole the cars while the cops watched and ran them into fires they set were being opportunistic?

See how you and others can't passed the riots.

I"m talking about your feelings. Not those of the rioters.

(05-01-2015 11:08 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 11:02 AM)Tomcat Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:26 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:22 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Fit is the one who says he was taught to run from the police..

I was. Growing up, if the cops ever caught you, they would harass the crap out of you. Therefore, we learned a a very young age that if we saw a cop car, we would run.

Perhaps you didn't grow up in a neighborhood where the cops basically patroled your streets all the time.

They wouldn't patrol the street if their presence was not needed there.

Cops tend to frequent areas that need their attention...Common sense if you ask me!

Perhaps you are correct. But isn't it also possible that they simply assumed that those areas would have more crime simply because their was a large minority population?

Only if you assume cops are inherently racist and ignore statistics.

(05-01-2015 11:13 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 11:11 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:58 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:57 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  If that is all you saw in Baltimore then you have a very myopic outlook on life.

If you couldn't see some of that you are possibly blind, ignorant, or stupid. Really think those high school kids that looted the mall weren't being opportunistic?

Of course they were but that isn't what this whole thing was about.

I understand however why some have to focus only on the rioting in order to justify their feelings.

detroying their neighborhood didn't justify their feelings. Its made them look like ignorant fools... My guess is you will be calling the phrase 'ignorant fools' racist now.

You don't think those that looted the liquor store were being opportunistic either do you? You don't think the ones that stole the cars while the cops watched and ran them into fires they set were being opportunistic?

See how you and others can't passed the riots.

I"m talking about your feelings. Not those of the rioters.

And what are my 'feelings' that you are talking about fit? I'd really love to hear this one.

(05-01-2015 11:08 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Perhaps you are correct. But isn't it also possible that they simply assumed that those areas would have more crime simply because their was a large minority population?

(05-01-2015 11:08 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  What is really funny Fit, is that this was actually a topic for the city of Baltimore last year.
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2014-06...e-officers
The Baltimore Police Department says it will begin to post a log of its investigations into serious use of force by officers online, and for the first time will ask the city's civilian review board to look at shootings involving its officers and deaths of people in custody.
Police Commissioner Anthony W. Batts said the move was the latest in a series intended to improve transparency and accountability.

I'll post a link to this thread again, because I think it speaks to these two posts... Ferguson police Bias from the DoJ report

What I think is sorely lacking in this country in the context of these incidents are centralized collection of statistics from police shootings. With all of the looking I've done, I could only find projections, with indications that there is no requirement for collecting such statistics, and that perhaps only 5-10% of police forces do so. If were to find that blacks are several more times likely to die in police shootings on a per-arrest basis, then that could both be explosive and transformative. I don't see how you can either satisfy everyone that there is no bias or make a meaningful effort to end bias if it is shown to be there without having those statistics to begin with.

(05-01-2015 11:19 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 11:08 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Perhaps you are correct. But isn't it also possible that they simply assumed that those areas would have more crime simply because their was a large minority population?

(05-01-2015 11:08 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  What is really funny Fit, is that this was actually a topic for the city of Baltimore last year.
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2014-06...e-officers
The Baltimore Police Department says it will begin to post a log of its investigations into serious use of force by officers online, and for the first time will ask the city's civilian review board to look at shootings involving its officers and deaths of people in custody.
Police Commissioner Anthony W. Batts said the move was the latest in a series intended to improve transparency and accountability.

I'll post a link to this thread again, because I think it speaks to these two posts... Ferguson police Bias from the DoJ report

What I think is sorely lacking in this country in the context of these incidents are centralized collection of statistics from police shootings. With all of the looking I've done, I could only find projections, with indications that there is no requirement for collecting such statistics, and that perhaps only 5-10% of police forces do so. If were to find that blacks are several more times likely to die in police shootings on a per-arrest basis, then that could both be explosive and transformative. I don't see how you can either satisfy everyone that there is no bias or make a meaningful effort to end bias if it is shown to be there without having those statistics to begin with.

Since you didn't say it's the white man's fault or Obama's fault, I'm guessing you just lost 90% of your audience.

(05-01-2015 11:21 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Since you didn't say it's the white man's fault or Obama's fault, I'm guessing you just lost 90% of your audience.

I must've alienated liberals as well.

I think the second degree murder charge was thrown in just to appease. I also think it is asinine to assume that the only reason these officers were charged at all was due to the riots (just trolling to troll). Police brutality and assault charges are frequent in Baltimore and the city has taken initiatives in the past years to allow citizens easier access to complaints.

Second degree murder is going to be next to impossible to prove in this situation and it's essentially kicking the can down the road. I'm sure another round of riots will break out here when Officer Cesar Goodman is acquitted of murder, even though I imagine a few of these officers will spend some time in prison.

(05-01-2015 10:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:36 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  What the thugs, hooligans, race baiters, goons, ruffians and media hacks fail to understand is that legal matters take time. This was going to happen.

All they have simply done is hurt their community.

You actually think that these officers would have been charged had there been no video or outrage?

Bless your heart.

No video with Brown/Wilson, and he was charged. Of course with the evidence it should have never gone to even a grand jury. NOT GUILTY

First, I'm a liberal. The rioting and looting was beyond ucalled for, there is no excuse what so ever to destory, loot, burn other people's poperty that had nothing to with what you are mad about. Nore attack people.

Look at the DA's face in the stories on this, she os out for blood. With her and trail in yhe city, I sorry I don't see the cops getting a fair trail.

Also, from what I've seen so far, those who called for riots, those that agreed with the riots and yhose thay excused it are already saying that riots worked and got what they wanted. I fear that now every time a black man is killed by cops people will riot reguardless of facts.

(05-01-2015 11:36 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  First, I'm a liberal. The rioting and looting was beyond ucalled for, there is no excuse what so ever to destory, loot, burn other people's poperty that had nothing to with what you are mad about. Nore attack people.

Look at the DA's face in the stories on this, she os out for blood. With her and trail in yhe city, I sorry I don't see the cops getting a fair trail.

Also, from what I've seen so far, those who called for riots, those that agreed with the riots and yhose thay excused it are already saying that riots worked and got what they wanted. I fear that now every time a black man is killed by cops people will riot reguardless of facts.

He's right.

(05-01-2015 11:36 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:36 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  What the thugs, hooligans, race baiters, goons, ruffians and media hacks fail to understand is that legal matters take time. This was going to happen.

All they have simply done is hurt their community.

You actually think that these officers would have been charged had there been no video or outrage?

Bless your heart.

No video with Brown/Wilson, and he was charged. Of course with the evidence it should have never gone to even a grand jury. NOT GUILTY

Try not to confuse him too much, he still trying to prove that riots/looting/thuggery caused this investigation.