(04-20-2015 05:27 PM)texowl2 Wrote:  If we are in a conference with Liberty, we have truly reached the absolute bottom.........

Seriously.......could we really even consider being in ANY way associated with such an anti-intellectual institution? That just might be a bridge too far.

(04-20-2015 07:53 PM)Barney Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 05:27 PM)texowl2 Wrote:  If we are in a conference with Liberty, we have truly reached the absolute bottom.........

Seriously.......could we really even consider being in ANY way associated with such an anti-intellectual institution? That just might be a bridge too far.

Well, it's not exactly like we have options.

(04-20-2015 07:53 PM)Barney Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 05:27 PM)texowl2 Wrote:  If we are in a conference with Liberty, we have truly reached the absolute bottom.........

Seriously.......could we really even consider being in ANY way associated with such an anti-intellectual institution? That just might be a bridge too far.

Tolerant Progressives. Got to love them.

Come on guys, keep it between the lines on this forum, be that foul lines, side lines or end lines.

(04-20-2015 05:27 PM)texowl2 Wrote:  If we are in a conference with Liberty, we have truly reached the absolute bottom.........

Mountain West is looking better and better….

(04-20-2015 08:48 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 07:53 PM)Barney Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 05:27 PM)texowl2 Wrote:  If we are in a conference with Liberty, we have truly reached the absolute bottom.........

Seriously.......could we really even consider being in ANY way associated with such an anti-intellectual institution? That just might be a bridge too far.

Tolerant Progressives. Got to love them.

Come on guys, keep it between the lines on this forum, be that foul lines, side lines or end lines.

From http://www.liberty.edu/media/1413/syllab...llabus.pdf

Quote:Liberty University, CRST 290 - History of Life
COURSE DESCRIPTION
An interdisciplinary study of the origin and history of life in the universe. Faculty of the Center for Creation Studies will draw from science, religion, history, and philosophy in presenting the evidence and arguments for creation and against evolution. This course is required for all Liberty students.
RATIONALE
This course is designed to instill in our students a clear understanding of the relationship between science and Scripture as it pertains to the study of origins. In particular, it is designed to help students develop a clear and consistent Biblical creationist worldview and defend it.

And note that this isn't any/every kind of creationism that they're presenting evidence in favor of, it's specifically young-earth creationism.

It's absolutely on-topic to discuss which schools we do and don't want to be associated with. Barney summed up my feelings pretty succinctly on this one.

Being in the same conference with Liberty would be an abomination, full stop. I would be in favor of drastic action of some kind on our part if that "school" were admitted to CUSA.

Anyone else find their name just a tad ironic?

(04-20-2015 10:11 PM)Wiessman Wrote:  Being in the same conference with Liberty would be an abomination, full stop. I would be in favor of drastic action of some kind on our part if that school were admitted to CUSA.
Anyone else find their name just a tad ironic?

Drop athletics? Is that drastic enough for you?
What drastic action do you think would even be possible?
The matter of what schools to have for conference mates is not likely to be our choice.

As an elite secular institution of higher learning, we have to draw the line somewhere. Young-earth creationism being taught at a university at the expense of the theory of evolution seems like a good place to start.

Seriously though, I don't know what I would want the administration to do. I just don't know. I never dreamed that being affiliated with a school like Liberty was even on the horizon. I thought that Baylor was as bad as it could get for us. Guess not.

Easy to pick on. Any objections to BYU?

(04-20-2015 10:26 PM)Wiessman Wrote:  As an elite secular institution of higher learning, we have to draw the line somewhere. Young-earth creationism being taught at a university at the expense of the theory of evolution seems like a good place to start.

Why?
What relevance does that have to athletic competition?

Yes, BYU is a non-starter for me as well. I've stated as much on several occasions in the past.

(04-20-2015 10:28 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 10:26 PM)Wiessman Wrote:  As an elite secular institution of higher learning, we have to draw the line somewhere. Young-earth creationism being taught at a university at the expense of the theory of evolution seems like a good place to start.

Why?
What relevance does that have to athletic competition?

We are an institution of higher learning with an unimpeachable reputation for intellectual inquiry and scholarship. Something like teaching religious explanations without giving equal standing to scientific explanations is fundamentally antithetical to our mission. That's why.

We should never be affiliated with a school like Liberty for any reason.

(04-20-2015 10:32 PM)Wiessman Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 10:28 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 10:26 PM)Wiessman Wrote:  As an elite secular institution of higher learning, we have to draw the line somewhere. Young-earth creationism being taught at a university at the expense of the theory of evolution seems like a good place to start.

Why?
What relevance does that have to athletic competition?

We are an institution of higher learning with an unimpeachable reputation for intellectual inquiry and scholarship. Something like teaching religious explanations without giving equal standing to scientific explanations is fundamentally antithetical to our mission. That's why.

What does that have to do with athletics? I could see refusing to participate in a research consortium with them, but I see little or no relevance to athletics.

Don't care about their religious affiliation. Conference membership is not an ideological issue, except to fanatics.

More concerning to me is that for purposes of what's relevant - SOS, revenue, etc. - there are better options than JMI or Liberty, which means that there's a faction in C-USA hell-bent on an agenda - whatever that might be - to the point that they don't care if it drags the conference down. If JMI and Liberty get added, that tips the scales in favor of MWC, IMO. We'd need an invite, of course.

Well I guess we should shut down all religious studies classes at Rice as well?

I stand by my original post on the subject. You are entitled to your beliefs and opinions just like those at the schools you belittle. But your intolerance for beliefs and opinions different than yours is sad.

Peace.

(04-20-2015 10:48 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  Well I guess we should shut down all religious studies classes at Rice as well?

I stand by my original post on the subject. You are entitled to your beliefs and opinions just like those at the schools you belittle. But your intolerance for beliefs and opinions different than yours is sad.

Peace.

You are wrong. I never said that religious classes should be shut down, not even remotely, and you damn well know it. I only ask for equal standing for all explanations and viewpoints in any forum. That is the spirit of Rice.

You are the one who is blinkered. No surprise, coming from you. Have a nice day.

Quote:I only ask for equal standing for all explanations and viewpoints in any forum.

You think Rice science classes should teach young earth creationism alongside evolution???

And I never said you said it. I only asked the question.

Nice comeback. "No surprise, coming from you". You don't know me or what I believe.

Did you have a problem with Rice playing Notre Dame last season?

(04-20-2015 10:56 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

Quote:I only ask for equal standing for all explanations and viewpoints in any forum.

You think Rice science classes should teach young earth creationism alongside evolution???

Goodness. Not in those classes, obviously. But the topic should be broached in some forum somewhere on campus, assuming there is demand for such inquiry.

C'mon man, now you're just manufacturing absurdities. Get off it.

(04-20-2015 10:59 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  And I never said you said it. I only asked the question.

Nice comeback. "No surprise, coming from you". You don't know me or what I believe.

Did you have a problem with Rice playing Notre Dame last season?

I've seen enough from you over the years to make a pretty good approximation of where you stand. Let's just say that we won't be having drinks anytime soon.

I'm really not cool with Rice playing Notre Dame either, but... Notre Dame is not Liberty. Not by a long shot.