(03-31-2015 10:48 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  How hard is it to coach a 7'0" guy to catch run the floor, catch lobs, and stand in front of the rim and block/alter shots ...

Pitino starts a 7'0" kid from somewhere in Africa every year who never picked up a basketball.

This.

If the kid has any motor at all - ANY - he should at least be good for being a paint enforcer and solid on the boards for small stretches each game.

(03-31-2015 10:49 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 10:48 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  How hard is it to coach a 7'0" guy to catch run the floor, catch lobs, and stand in front of the rim and block/alter shots ...

Pitino starts a 7'0" kid from somewhere in Africa every year who never picked up a basketball.

This.

If the kid has any motor at all - ANY - he should at least be good for being a paint enforcer and solid on the boards for small stretches each game.

I mean, crap! Can he give ya 12-14 decent minutes a night... 4 pts, 5 rebs, 0.5 blocks (or 3 altered shots at the rim each half)

That's valuable from a "raw" freshman backup big man...

Why is this a bad thing? Kid gets to come in a practice with upperclassmen before being able to take on a bigger role as a sophomore. Seems like the perfect situation to me.

(03-31-2015 10:56 AM)Rob Wrote:  Why is this a bad thing? Kid gets to come in a practice with upperclassmen before being able to take on a bigger role as a sophomore. Seems like the perfect situation to me.

Exactly...it's called DEVELOPMENT!

Now....whether or not he gets THAT is another story.

(03-31-2015 10:56 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 10:49 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 10:48 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  How hard is it to coach a 7'0" guy to catch run the floor, catch lobs, and stand in front of the rim and block/alter shots ...

Pitino starts a 7'0" kid from somewhere in Africa every year who never picked up a basketball.

This.

If the kid has any motor at all - ANY - he should at least be good for being a paint enforcer and solid on the boards for small stretches each game.

I mean, crap! Can he give ya 12-14 decent minutes a night... 4 pts, 5 rebs, 0.5 blocks (or 3 altered shots at the rim each half)

That's valuable from a "raw" freshman backup big man...

Those expectations are way too high.

You want 4 and 5 from a project in 13 mins a game? Shaq was 7 and 4 in 20 mpg and he was a McD All America.

Think Simplice, Erwin, Modibo, Almany...

(03-31-2015 10:57 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 10:56 AM)Rob Wrote:  Why is this a bad thing? Kid gets to come in a practice with upperclassmen before being able to take on a bigger role as a sophomore. Seems like the perfect situation to me.

Exactly...it's called DEVELOPMENT!

Now....whether or not he gets THAT is another story.

There's enough legit stuff to whine about without manufacturing problems.

(03-31-2015 10:56 AM)Rob Wrote:  Why is this a bad thing? Kid gets to come in a practice with upperclassmen before being able to take on a bigger role as a sophomore. Seems like the perfect situation to me.

I just don't like burning 25% of a kid's career in a situation when there is little to no chance he will get any real playing time. His Soph year essentially becomes an extended frosh year.

If Memphis has to bring him in or he'll bolt elsewhere, then the have to do what they have to do. It's just not ideal.

(03-31-2015 11:01 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 10:56 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 10:49 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 10:48 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  How hard is it to coach a 7'0" guy to catch run the floor, catch lobs, and stand in front of the rim and block/alter shots ...

Pitino starts a 7'0" kid from somewhere in Africa every year who never picked up a basketball.

This.

If the kid has any motor at all - ANY - he should at least be good for being a paint enforcer and solid on the boards for small stretches each game.

I mean, crap! Can he give ya 12-14 decent minutes a night... 4 pts, 5 rebs, 0.5 blocks (or 3 altered shots at the rim each half)

That's valuable from a "raw" freshman backup big man...

Those expectations are way too high.

You want 4 and 5 from a project in 13 mins a game? Shaq was 7 and 4 in 20 mpg and he was a McD All America.

Think Simplice, Erwin, Modibo, Almany...

Maybe 3 & 4 & 1...idk, I'm saying we don't need much. Just give us effort and energy and protect the rim.

Marshall is a 4-star by most scouting services. I don't think it should be out of the question to expect Calvin Godfrey numbers from him...

IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING!!

In 18 minutes Pitino got 3, 5, & 1 a night from his 2 big guys and they're raw as heck!

(03-30-2015 11:33 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:11 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 10:54 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 10:32 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 09:41 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Not really sure I like it.

Here's why:

Memphis is essentially set at the 4/5 with Nichols, Shaq and the Lawson's.

You can play Austin 30 minutes at the 5 with Shaq playing 10.

Then have Shaq play 20 at the 4 with Dedric playing the other 20.

So, Marshall comes in a year early, and burns his entire freshman season up on mop up minutes. He is considered raw and is a 4 year player. Why essentially make him a three year player by mothballing him for a year?

He will be our only center, AND Shaq is gone after next year, AND Austin might possibly be gone after next year AND the Lawsons are undersized if they play the 4...

But thanks for playing.

So, in you esteemed opinion, how much playing time would you expect Marshall to get in the 15-16 season?

8-12 minutes per game.

Based on watching him? Or just pulling a number out of your ass?

Quote:So, Marshall comes in a year early, and burns his entire freshman season up on mop up minutes. He is considered raw and is a 4 year player. Why essentially make him a three year player by mothballing him for a year?

Quote:I just don't like burning 25% of a kid's career in a situation when there is little to no chance he will get any real playing time. His Soph year essentially becomes an extended frosh year.

If Memphis has to bring him in or he'll bolt elsewhere, then the have to do what they have to do. It's just not ideal.

Based on watching him? Or just pulling multiple opinions out of your ass?

(03-31-2015 11:04 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 10:56 AM)Rob Wrote:  Why is this a bad thing? Kid gets to come in a practice with upperclassmen before being able to take on a bigger role as a sophomore. Seems like the perfect situation to me.

I just don't like burning 25% of a kid's career in a situation when there is little to no chance he will get any real playing time. His Soph year essentially becomes an extended frosh year.

If Memphis has to bring him in or he'll bolt elsewhere, then the have to do what they have to do. It's just not ideal.

I disagree. It IS ideal. The freshman year of a lower 4 star player is not an awful thing to "waste". How much was he really going to contribute his freshman year? Like I said, he's getting to practice and workout for a year in a college program so he's not sitting on the couch. He'll be much more prepared to be useful because of this.

(03-31-2015 11:06 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:33 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:11 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 10:54 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 10:32 AM)Stammers Wrote:  He will be our only center, AND Shaq is gone after next year, AND Austin might possibly be gone after next year AND the Lawsons are undersized if they play the 4...

But thanks for playing.

So, in you esteemed opinion, how much playing time would you expect Marshall to get in the 15-16 season?

8-12 minutes per game.

Based on watching him? Or just pulling a number out of your ass?

Quote:So, Marshall comes in a year early, and burns his entire freshman season up on mop up minutes. He is considered raw and is a 4 year player. Why essentially make him a three year player by mothballing him for a year?

Based on watching him? Or just pulling an opinion out of your ass?

See bolded.

I have never seen him play. I go by what Easterwood and a few others have said who have seen him play, thus the quantifier "he is considered."

I am not acting as if I have seen him play.

The difference between me and others who act like they "know" when in fact they don't really.

(03-31-2015 11:10 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 11:06 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:33 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:11 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 10:54 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  So, in you esteemed opinion, how much playing time would you expect Marshall to get in the 15-16 season?

8-12 minutes per game.

Based on watching him? Or just pulling a number out of your ass?

Quote:So, Marshall comes in a year early, and burns his entire freshman season up on mop up minutes. He is considered raw and is a 4 year player. Why essentially make him a three year player by mothballing him for a year?

Based on watching him? Or just pulling an opinion out of your ass?

See bolded.

I have never seen him play. I go by what Easterwood and a few others have said who have seen him play, thus the quantifier "he is considered."

I am not acting as if I have seen him play.

The difference between me and others who act like they "know" when in fact they don't really.

Interesting that you would say that.

Quote:In three years as Team Thad head coach, Norton Hurd had never had a player commit to the University of Memphis. Not Leron Black. Not Chris Chiozza. Not one out of the 17 other Division 1 signees and commitments the Thaddeus Young-sponsored AAU program had produced before Tuesday.

Quote:Hurd said Marshall is the best pro prospect he’s had in five years of AAU coaching.

I'll take the coach's opinion, and other people's opinions that I respect, over yours any day.

(03-31-2015 11:05 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Maybe 3 & 4 & 1...idk, I'm saying we don't need much. Just give us effort and energy and protect the rim.

Marshall is a 4-star by most scouting services. I don't think it should be out of the question to expect Calvin Godfrey numbers from him...

IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING!!

In 18 minutes Pitino got 3, 5, & 1 a night from his 2 big guys and they're raw as heck!

Well, I'm sure you realize this, just forgot to include this in the conversation.

Mathiang is a sophomore who is starting and playing 18 mins a game. He is also 22 1/2 years old, not a kid who is reclassifying a year early.

Onuaku was a 4* (#7 center and top 75) and was asked to also play 18 mins a game.

Calvin averaged 13 points and 9 rebounds in COLLEGE the year before he came to Memphis. He was a 24 year old MAN that still scraped for 4 and 4.

(03-31-2015 11:16 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 11:10 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 11:06 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:33 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:11 AM)Stammers Wrote:  8-12 minutes per game.

Based on watching him? Or just pulling a number out of your ass?

Quote:So, Marshall comes in a year early, and burns his entire freshman season up on mop up minutes. He is considered raw and is a 4 year player. Why essentially make him a three year player by mothballing him for a year?

Based on watching him? Or just pulling an opinion out of your ass?

See bolded.

I have never seen him play. I go by what Easterwood and a few others have said who have seen him play, thus the quantifier "he is considered."

I am not acting as if I have seen him play.

The difference between me and others who act like they "know" when in fact they don't really.

Interesting that you would say that.

Quote:In three years as Team Thad head coach, Norton Hurd had never had a player commit to the University of Memphis. Not Leron Black. Not Chris Chiozza. Not one out of the 17 other Division 1 signees and commitments the Thaddeus Young-sponsored AAU program had produced before Tuesday.

Quote:Hurd said Marshall is the best pro prospect he’s had in five years of AAU coaching.

I'll take the coach's opinion, and other people's opinions that I respect, over yours any day.

Ok?

I can line up 10 people on this board and then tab you as the "best modeling prosepct."

Doesn't mean you will be a model (or even come close). It just means of the 10 assembled, you are better than the rest.

Plus, it would never be in an AAU coach's interest to pimp up a player? Nah.

Dominic Magee's AAU coach:

Titus Randle, Magee’s AAU coach, previously said Magee had the ability to play at a high level.

“Dominic is really elusive,” he said. “The kid’s got nice size, he’s real athletic. I think his upside of being a point guard, it’s real good, almost like Russell Westbrook in high school. He’s similar, real athletic, moves well. Makes the right plays, makes a lot of good decisions and everything.

“He has great size. He’s real explosive in small spaces. He can get up and go and get up in the air in small spaces.”

Jordan Manse's AAU coach:

“He’s a superior three-point shooter,” said Max Ivany, founder of D1 Nation. “He’s got a great stroke. He’s a transition athlete that can play above the rim. I think he definitely fits in with the style of play at Memphis.”

Overall, Manse is the third D1 Nation ambassador to join the Tigers, following incoming East Mississippi CC guard Avery Woodson and former Memphis great DJ Stephens.

"He was always an excellent three-point shooter and an above the rim athlete," Ivany stressed. "Both traits will serve him well in coach Pastner's uptempo system."

(03-31-2015 11:20 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 11:05 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Maybe 3 & 4 & 1...idk, I'm saying we don't need much. Just give us effort and energy and protect the rim.

Marshall is a 4-star by most scouting services. I don't think it should be out of the question to expect Calvin Godfrey numbers from him...

IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING!!

In 18 minutes Pitino got 3, 5, & 1 a night from his 2 big guys and they're raw as heck!

Well, I'm sure you realize this, just forgot to include this in the conversation.

Mathiang is a sophomore who is starting and playing 18 mins a game. He is also 22 1/2 years old, not a kid who is reclassifying a year early.

Onuaku was a 4* (#7 center and top 75) and was asked to also play 18 mins a game.

Calvin averaged 13 points and 9 rebounds in COLLEGE the year before he came to Memphis. He was a 24 year old MAN that still scraped for 4 and 4.

10 minutes a game - 4 & 4 would be wonderful for a freshman big guy.

I thought that Nick Marshall was originally 2015, but then changed to 2016?

(03-31-2015 11:24 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 11:16 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 11:10 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 11:06 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:33 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Based on watching him? Or just pulling a number out of your ass?

Quote:So, Marshall comes in a year early, and burns his entire freshman season up on mop up minutes. He is considered raw and is a 4 year player. Why essentially make him a three year player by mothballing him for a year?

Based on watching him? Or just pulling an opinion out of your ass?

See bolded.

I have never seen him play. I go by what Easterwood and a few others have said who have seen him play, thus the quantifier "he is considered."

I am not acting as if I have seen him play.

The difference between me and others who act like they "know" when in fact they don't really.

Interesting that you would say that.

Quote:In three years as Team Thad head coach, Norton Hurd had never had a player commit to the University of Memphis. Not Leron Black. Not Chris Chiozza. Not one out of the 17 other Division 1 signees and commitments the Thaddeus Young-sponsored AAU program had produced before Tuesday.

Quote:Hurd said Marshall is the best pro prospect he’s had in five years of AAU coaching.

I'll take the coach's opinion, and other people's opinions that I respect, over yours any day.

Ok?

I can line up 10 people on this board and then tab you as the "best modeling prosepct."

Doesn't mean you will be a model (or even come close). It just means of the 10 assembled, you are better than the rest.

Plus, it would never be in an AAU coach's interest to pimp up a player? Nah.

It's always fun when you start your strange ramblings. I'll have a go at what you are trying to say.

Quote:Doesn't mean you will be a model (or even come close). It just means of the 10 assembled, you are better than the rest.

Right now we need 5 different types of "models" and we only have 4. We don't have a "model" that has the physical attributes to be the 5th model. While the 5th model might be raw and not as talented as the other models; if we need all 5 types and only have 4, it stands to reason that the "model" in question will be a valuable piece.

Also, you make it sound like the model is a piece of crap, when in fact the model in question is considered a decent prospect.

It would be in the coach's best interest to say that a player is a better pro prospect than Black or Chiozza, or say that he is the best pro prospect out of the 17 players sent to D1 ball, correct?

That sure makes sense.

(03-31-2015 12:10 PM)Oman Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 11:20 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 11:05 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Maybe 3 & 4 & 1...idk, I'm saying we don't need much. Just give us effort and energy and protect the rim.

Marshall is a 4-star by most scouting services. I don't think it should be out of the question to expect Calvin Godfrey numbers from him...

IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING!!

In 18 minutes Pitino got 3, 5, & 1 a night from his 2 big guys and they're raw as heck!

Well, I'm sure you realize this, just forgot to include this in the conversation.

Mathiang is a sophomore who is starting and playing 18 mins a game. He is also 22 1/2 years old, not a kid who is reclassifying a year early.

Onuaku was a 4* (#7 center and top 75) and was asked to also play 18 mins a game.

Calvin averaged 13 points and 9 rebounds in COLLEGE the year before he came to Memphis. He was a 24 year old MAN that still scraped for 4 and 4.

10 minutes a game - 4 & 4 would be wonderful for a freshman big guy.

Of course. Both are reasonable and attainable goals.

(03-31-2015 11:24 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Dominic Magee's AAU coach:

Titus Randle, Magee’s AAU coach, previously said Magee had the ability to play at a high level.

“Dominic is really elusive,” he said. “The kid’s got nice size, he’s real athletic. I think his upside of being a point guard, it’s real good, almost like Russell Westbrook in high school. He’s similar, real athletic, moves well. Makes the right plays, makes a lot of good decisions and everything.

“He has great size. He’s real explosive in small spaces. He can get up and go and get up in the air in small spaces.”

Jordan Manse's AAU coach:

“He’s a superior three-point shooter,” said Max Ivany, founder of D1 Nation. “He’s got a great stroke. He’s a transition athlete that can play above the rim. I think he definitely fits in with the style of play at Memphis.”

Overall, Manse is the third D1 Nation ambassador to join the Tigers, following incoming East Mississippi CC guard Avery Woodson and former Memphis great DJ Stephens.

"He was always an excellent three-point shooter and an above the rim athlete," Ivany stressed. "Both traits will serve him well in coach Pastner's uptempo system."

Run rabbit run.