So I get that many of you ' he has to go' crowd while offering your opinion will now:

1. Quit hijacking non pastner threads to go on a rant
2. Quit repeating the same thing over and over again as thought the board doesn't already know your position

(03-30-2015 11:03 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  At some point you've got to stop blaming Bush...

Just not today...

(03-30-2015 11:31 AM)80sTiger Wrote:  I agree with most, if not all, of the points. Boils down to no better options available originally considering the circumstances, Pastner got millions and he helped us out in the meantime. But there is no substitute for experience, so it's time to move on for everyone. It's probably a moot point anyway because we won't make the S16 next year for the same reasons we didn't last season, and, as Stammers pointed out, we will be in a tight spot for 2017. The die is cast IMHO for Pastner - he misses the S16 next year and is gone, or he makes it and leaves of his own accord on a high note.

Honestly, if he makes the Sweet 16 he'll probably switch jobs, and if he misses the tournament then he'll probably be fired, but I don't see either of those being the outcome if he just makes the tournament next year and loses in the first round, which is about what I expect will happen. I really think we're riding this thing out until the end of 2016 -2017 and when we miss that year he'll end up getting fired.

(03-30-2015 11:32 AM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:26 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I think you guys got spoiled by Calapari. Your boy now was never going to live up to those expectations.

People keep saying this and it keeps not being true. Seriously. Final Fours would be nice and everything, but people are really looking for Sweet 16s.

I would settle for being ranked and staying ranked in a season and getting some respect back from the world.
We ain't got none now!!!

(03-30-2015 11:31 AM)vontiger Wrote:  Excellent post.
As the season wound down, I noticed Josh somewhat toned down the "everyones good, coach is a dear friend, outer space, and other similar Joshisms."

However, I kinda miss the "Memphis has the best fanbase in america" mantra. Maybe he has given up on the fans due to the recent criticisms?

His family getting hate mail would do that to some people even the happy-go-lucky person

(03-30-2015 11:37 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  Great post- I agree with most of it particularly about "beating the dead horse"; I do have a minor quibble:

"He needs to decide an identity for this team, and stick to it. Run-N-Gun, Press, Fast-Pace, Grit-N-Grind, whatever. Just pick one and STICK to it."


All good coaches adjust their game plan and make in game adjustments to offset opponents strengths and tendencies. KY has won by scoring in 50's and 100's.

One thing I noticed watching S16 was the Run-N-Gun teams like we used to have were gone from tourney (there is a difference between just running and offensive efficiency) So you prepare your team on their strengths and adjust game plan when needed.

Most of the ranked teams play slow.

(03-30-2015 11:00 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 10:57 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  Nicely done. Read the entire post.

I think part of what's sparking the continued discussion is the total, dead silence coming from the athletic department. They haven't confirmed or denied ANYTHING about the bb program other than the two additional end of year transfers (King, Powell).

No, end of year press conference to put a wrap on the season. Nothing.

At best this is amateur hour; at worst there's a storm brewing and they aren't giving us any info.....

I think you make a good point. But while I'm not sure it's a storm that's brewing, I have to believe that something is coming. The world has changed, I can feel it in the water, I can feel it in the earth, I can smell it in the air.

Much that once was is lost; for none now live who remember it. It began with the forging of the great teams:

-to be continued

(03-30-2015 11:37 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  Great post- I agree with most of it particularly about "beating the dead horse"; I do have a minor quibble:

"He needs to decide an identity for this team, and stick to it. Run-N-Gun, Press, Fast-Pace, Grit-N-Grind, whatever. Just pick one and STICK to it."


All good coaches adjust their game plan and make in game adjustments to offset opponents strengths and tendencies. KY has won by scoring in 50's and 100's.

One thing I noticed watching S16 was the Run-N-Gun teams like we used to have were gone from tourney (there is a difference between just running and offensive efficiency) So you prepare your team on their strengths and adjust game plan when needed.

That seems to be a chicken and egg type argument. Do you recruit the best players and find an identity or do you find an identity and then recruit players who bring those specific skills. Intelligent minds can disagree on this, but apparently "having a point guard" is critical under either theory.

I think you recruit the best players and find an identity.

(03-30-2015 11:39 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:00 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 10:57 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  Nicely done. Read the entire post.

I think part of what's sparking the continued discussion is the total, dead silence coming from the athletic department. They haven't confirmed or denied ANYTHING about the bb program other than the two additional end of year transfers (King, Powell).

No, end of year press conference to put a wrap on the season. Nothing.

At best this is amateur hour; at worst there's a storm brewing and they aren't giving us any info.....

I think you make a good point. But while I'm not sure it's a storm that's brewing, I have to believe that something is coming. The world has changed, I can feel it in the water, I can feel it in the earth, I can smell it in the air.

Much that once was is lost; for none now live who remember it. It began with the forging of the great teams..

And will continue with the forging of even greater teams long after some of us have sailed into the West.

to our program, the OP all Memphis Tiger fans!

(03-30-2015 11:44 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:41 AM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:37 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  Great post- I agree with most of it particularly about "beating the dead horse"; I do have a minor quibble:

"He needs to decide an identity for this team, and stick to it. Run-N-Gun, Press, Fast-Pace, Grit-N-Grind, whatever. Just pick one and STICK to it."


All good coaches adjust their game plan and make in game adjustments to offset opponents strengths and tendencies. KY has won by scoring in 50's and 100's.

One thing I noticed watching S16 was the Run-N-Gun teams like we used to have were gone from tourney (there is a difference between just running and offensive efficiency) So you prepare your team on their strengths and adjust game plan when needed.

That seems to be a chicken and egg type argument. Do you recruit the best players and find an identity or do you find an identity and then recruit players who bring those specific skills. Intelligent minds can disagree on this, but apparently "having a point guard" is critical under either theory.

No PG = No NCAA Tourney. Pure and simple,

Well if RC would just give us a PG....

And if Gary Parrish and message boards would stop scaring recruits...

And if the powers at be continue to take ZERO responsibility....

(03-30-2015 11:43 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I think you recruit the best players and find an identity.

In the beginning Pastner had no players to build on, so he had to recruit the best players. Aside from 2014, he hasn't been able to do a good job of balancing his roster to include all the parts needed for a truly deep run. Last year's roster would have been balanced if Black would have stayed. The only thing missing was a bruising center. Pellom did a great job before he was injured, but we still weren't bulky enough up front.

IMO, Pastner could have been really close to achieving roster balance next year if he didn't completely **** things up with Pookie. Pookie showed great flashes and would have been a nice piece either at the point or at the 2. The way things are now, we need both Markel and Woodson to show great improvement; and we need depth at point guard, assuming that Kedren is fully committed to being in good condition.

We hear whispers about stuff going on behind the scenes with certain players. I didn't hear much about either King or Pookie. The way Pastner mishandled Pookie is completely inexcusable.

(03-30-2015 11:46 AM)RheaJ Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:44 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:41 AM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:37 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  Great post- I agree with most of it particularly about "beating the dead horse"; I do have a minor quibble:

"He needs to decide an identity for this team, and stick to it. Run-N-Gun, Press, Fast-Pace, Grit-N-Grind, whatever. Just pick one and STICK to it."


All good coaches adjust their game plan and make in game adjustments to offset opponents strengths and tendencies. KY has won by scoring in 50's and 100's.

One thing I noticed watching S16 was the Run-N-Gun teams like we used to have were gone from tourney (there is a difference between just running and offensive efficiency) So you prepare your team on their strengths and adjust game plan when needed.

That seems to be a chicken and egg type argument. Do you recruit the best players and find an identity or do you find an identity and then recruit players who bring those specific skills. Intelligent minds can disagree on this, but apparently "having a point guard" is critical under either theory.

No PG = No NCAA Tourney. Pure and simple,

Well if RC would just give us a PG....

And if Gary Parrish and message boards would stop scaring recruits...

And if the powers at be continue to take ZERO responsibility....

So you disagree with everything Merrick wrote.

(03-30-2015 11:20 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:16 AM)Tigerbluesky Wrote:  Good post. I just feel we have a difference of opinion. I totally agree with GP in that this is not a salvageable situation. Season ticket holder since the 80s and I know many others like myself who would prefer a change. So lets say we reach the S16 next year. Should we give him another 6 yrs to get back? At some point you've seen enough to know how the story will end.

I think the decision NOW shouldn't be for next year. It should be for next year and 2017. By keeping Pastner you are betting that he will make the Sweet 16 this year.

We will lose Shaq, Burrell, Kedren, Hawkins and probably Nichols, and it doesn't look like we have enough reinforcements recruiting wise to replace them. We will have a tough time making the tournament in 2017.

This!

(03-30-2015 11:56 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:46 AM)RheaJ Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:44 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:41 AM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:37 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  Great post- I agree with most of it particularly about "beating the dead horse"; I do have a minor quibble:

"He needs to decide an identity for this team, and stick to it. Run-N-Gun, Press, Fast-Pace, Grit-N-Grind, whatever. Just pick one and STICK to it."


All good coaches adjust their game plan and make in game adjustments to offset opponents strengths and tendencies. KY has won by scoring in 50's and 100's.

One thing I noticed watching S16 was the Run-N-Gun teams like we used to have were gone from tourney (there is a difference between just running and offensive efficiency) So you prepare your team on their strengths and adjust game plan when needed.

That seems to be a chicken and egg type argument. Do you recruit the best players and find an identity or do you find an identity and then recruit players who bring those specific skills. Intelligent minds can disagree on this, but apparently "having a point guard" is critical under either theory.

No PG = No NCAA Tourney. Pure and simple,

Well if RC would just give us a PG....

And if Gary Parrish and message boards would stop scaring recruits...

And if the powers at be continue to take ZERO responsibility....

So you disagree with everything Merrick wrote.

I think it's pretty ridiculous that a moderator is going to extremes to tell people how to think. Just turn a blind eye because the mod's are sick of hearing/reading the negative evaluations. Don't gripe about his salary because we don't pay it? Ridiculous. Josh took over a program that was under NCAA investigation. So what? That wasn't yesterday. Cal's players beat women, smoked, drank, cussed, etc. How come we lose so many players under Pastner? Are they horrible people too? Which great assistants have been under employment recently? Damon? Who else????

And all the points about what the coach needs to do now are made every season. When is it enough? Never obviously and according to Merrick we should just give in and say sink the ship, we'll still support you.

Do I disagree with everything? Of course not, don't be shortsighted. Do I think both sides to the argument have a valid point? Sure.

It's a messageboard. If coaches or parents invest in these opinions than that should tell you all you'd need to know about said people.

YALL GONNA MISS THE HAMMER WHEN HE GONE AND TAKING A NEE TEAM TO THE FINAL FORS !!!!

IMMA GONNA RIDE THA PAIN TRAIN NEXT YEAR WITH THE BLOCK MOMBA AND SHAQLICIOUS AND THE LAWSON TWINS ALL THE WAY TO THE FINAL WEEKEND BABY !!!!

LONG LJVE THE HAMMER !!!

(03-30-2015 12:20 PM)RheaJ Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:56 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:46 AM)RheaJ Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:44 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:41 AM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  That seems to be a chicken and egg type argument. Do you recruit the best players and find an identity or do you find an identity and then recruit players who bring those specific skills. Intelligent minds can disagree on this, but apparently "having a point guard" is critical under either theory.

No PG = No NCAA Tourney. Pure and simple,

Well if RC would just give us a PG....

And if Gary Parrish and message boards would stop scaring recruits...

And if the powers at be continue to take ZERO responsibility....

So you disagree with everything Merrick wrote.

I think it's pretty ridiculous that a moderator is going to extremes to tell people how to think. Just turn a blind eye because the mod's are sick of hearing/reading the negative evaluations. Don't gripe about his salary because we don't pay it? Ridiculous. Josh took over a program that was under NCAA investigation. So what? That wasn't yesterday. Cal's players beat women, smoked, drank, cussed, etc. How come we lose so many players under Pastner? Are they horrible people too? Which great assistants have been under employment recently? Damon? Who else????

And all the points about what the coach needs to do now are made every season. When is it enough? Never obviously and according to Merrick we should just give in and say sink the ship, we'll still support you.

Do I disagree with everything? Of course not, don't be shortsighted. Do I think both sides to the argument have a valid point? Sure.

It's a messageboard. If coaches or parents invest in these opinions than that should tell you all you'd need to know about said people.

So let me understand this: you blast the OP and make no mention of agreeing with anything he said, but I am supposed to somehow read your mind and it is short-sighted to not assume there are parts of it you agree with? How so? Isn't it imprecise to criticize parts of a post but not declare there are parts that you feel are valid, and which parts those are?

(03-30-2015 12:20 PM)RheaJ Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:56 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:46 AM)RheaJ Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:44 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:41 AM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  That seems to be a chicken and egg type argument. Do you recruit the best players and find an identity or do you find an identity and then recruit players who bring those specific skills. Intelligent minds can disagree on this, but apparently "having a point guard" is critical under either theory.

No PG = No NCAA Tourney. Pure and simple,

Well if RC would just give us a PG....

And if Gary Parrish and message boards would stop scaring recruits...

And if the powers at be continue to take ZERO responsibility....

So you disagree with everything Merrick wrote.

I think it's pretty ridiculous that a moderator is going to extremes to tell people how to think. Just turn a blind eye because the mod's are sick of hearing/reading the negative evaluations. Don't gripe about his salary because we don't pay it? Ridiculous. Josh took over a program that was under NCAA investigation. So what? That wasn't yesterday. Cal's players beat women, smoked, drank, cussed, etc. How come we lose so many players under Pastner? Are they horrible people too? Which great assistants have been under employment recently? Damon? Who else????

And all the points about what the coach needs to do now are made every season. When is it enough? Never obviously and according to Merrick we should just give in and say sink the ship, we'll still support you.

Do I disagree with everything? Of course not, don't be shortsighted. Do I think both sides to the argument have a valid point? Sure.

It's a messageboard. If coaches or parents invest in these opinions than that should tell you all you'd need to know about said people.

The vast majority of this board knows your position on the matter. It's like telling the same joke 5 or 6 times in a row, we get it but you and others keep harping on it over and over again. You don't need to convince us on this message board of your position where it becomes more of a rant than a discussion

(03-30-2015 12:27 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 12:20 PM)RheaJ Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:56 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:46 AM)RheaJ Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:44 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  No PG = No NCAA Tourney. Pure and simple,

Well if RC would just give us a PG....

And if Gary Parrish and message boards would stop scaring recruits...

And if the powers at be continue to take ZERO responsibility....

So you disagree with everything Merrick wrote.

I think it's pretty ridiculous that a moderator is going to extremes to tell people how to think. Just turn a blind eye because the mod's are sick of hearing/reading the negative evaluations. Don't gripe about his salary because we don't pay it? Ridiculous. Josh took over a program that was under NCAA investigation. So what? That wasn't yesterday. Cal's players beat women, smoked, drank, cussed, etc. How come we lose so many players under Pastner? Are they horrible people too? Which great assistants have been under employment recently? Damon? Who else????

And all the points about what the coach needs to do now are made every season. When is it enough? Never obviously and according to Merrick we should just give in and say sink the ship, we'll still support you.

Do I disagree with everything? Of course not, don't be shortsighted. Do I think both sides to the argument have a valid point? Sure.

It's a messageboard. If coaches or parents invest in these opinions than that should tell you all you'd need to know about said people.

So let me understand this: you blast the OP and make no mention of agreeing with anything he said, but I am supposed to somehow read your mind and it is short-sighted to not assume there are parts of it you agree with? How so? Isn't it imprecise to criticize parts of a post but not declare there are parts that you feel are valid, and which parts those are?

Take the sensitivity down a bit...blast the OP? It's very shortsighted to assume in absolutes the way you are. You don't need to read anyone's mind if you're just going to base opinions on absolutes.

I agree with the OP that people (Billy) jump to attack other posters instead of offering any kind of debate or retort. See post above...

(03-30-2015 12:32 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 12:20 PM)RheaJ Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:56 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:46 AM)RheaJ Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:44 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  No PG = No NCAA Tourney. Pure and simple,

Well if RC would just give us a PG....

And if Gary Parrish and message boards would stop scaring recruits...

And if the powers at be continue to take ZERO responsibility....

So you disagree with everything Merrick wrote.

I think it's pretty ridiculous that a moderator is going to extremes to tell people how to think. Just turn a blind eye because the mod's are sick of hearing/reading the negative evaluations. Don't gripe about his salary because we don't pay it? Ridiculous. Josh took over a program that was under NCAA investigation. So what? That wasn't yesterday. Cal's players beat women, smoked, drank, cussed, etc. How come we lose so many players under Pastner? Are they horrible people too? Which great assistants have been under employment recently? Damon? Who else????

And all the points about what the coach needs to do now are made every season. When is it enough? Never obviously and according to Merrick we should just give in and say sink the ship, we'll still support you.

Do I disagree with everything? Of course not, don't be shortsighted. Do I think both sides to the argument have a valid point? Sure.

It's a messageboard. If coaches or parents invest in these opinions than that should tell you all you'd need to know about said people.

The vast majority of this board knows your position on the matter. It's like telling the same joke 5 or 6 times in a row, we get it but you and others keep harping on it over and over again. You don't need to convince us on this message board of your position where it becomes more of a rant than a discussion

I was fully on board with Pastner this whole time until recently, though I'll still say how much I love the guy on Facebook so the womens dont get a riled up...lol that goes for the Graber too!