The title of this thread should really be:

All of government's budgets stick it to students, young adults.

I'm wondering why you libs aren't crying about how the ACA "sticks it to young adults" considering that inflating this group of peoples health care is EXACTLY what the ACA is attempting to do to fund everyone else? Where is your outrage for this - oh yeah, that wouldn't be in line with your serfdom to your king Obama.

(03-25-2015 08:34 AM)Crebman Wrote:  I'm wondering why you libs aren't crying about how the ACA "sticks it to young adults" considering that inflating this group of peoples health care is EXACTLY what the ACA is attempting to do to fund everyone else? Where is your outrage for this - oh yeah, that wouldn't be in line with your serfdom to your king Obama.

I wouldn't point it at Obama directly crebman, but at the govt. as a whole, although your point still stands..

The left keeps telling us that 'we' have to pay for everything that 'they' want.. no ifs and or buts.

Those of you who are opposed to this... You ever hear of FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS? (Did I have one govt. backed loan when I first went to school? Yep... and it was the first one I _paid_ off. Ironically the bank sold off my other loan to the govt, and that one took forever to pay off.) I know that's where the majority of my loans came from.. and I had to pay those back.

The middle class is the perpetual sufferer at the hands of the government's policies.

(03-25-2015 07:59 AM)VA49er Wrote:  How were the Pell Grants hacked. The quoted piece just says it woudl would be capped at the current max for ten years. The whole "loan forgiveness" thing was asinine from the start.

The "holding the line is a cut" is a bunch of Orwellian cr@p.

(03-25-2015 08:52 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 08:34 AM)Crebman Wrote:  I'm wondering why you libs aren't crying about how the ACA "sticks it to young adults" considering that inflating this group of peoples health care is EXACTLY what the ACA is attempting to do to fund everyone else? Where is your outrage for this - oh yeah, that wouldn't be in line with your serfdom to your king Obama.

I wouldn't point it at Obama directly crebman, but at the govt. as a whole, although your point still stands..

The left keeps telling us that 'we' have to pay for everything that 'they' want.. no ifs and or buts.

Those of you who are opposed to this... You ever hear of FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS? (Did I have one govt. backed loan when I first went to school? Yep... and it was the first one I _paid_ off. Ironically the bank sold off my other loan to the govt, and that one took forever to pay off.) I know that's where the majority of my loans came from.. and I had to pay those back.

For the vast majority of people (and the government should be included), the wants always exceed the money available - always. Grown-ups pare down the wants to what can be afforded.

I'm not surprised that Max is crying about this as he is no more that a Democratic shill that wants ever more money taken from citizens and put into the government coffers. Maybe universities should cut professors pay ect. to make tuition costs and such so that college would be more affordable. How about that Max - you in favor of across the board cuts for professor pay?

The unfortunate truth about student debt is that for far too many young folks, signing for that loan is easy and they really don't understand the ramifications of what they are signing up for. They don't figure out what they have done to themselves until they have to start paying for it.

In this thread: Baby boomer Republicans who attended college for pennies on the dollar (or for free on the GI bill) in the 1960s and 70s and could get multiple career offers with a sociology degree straight out of college now take to lecturing young people about college being a scam and push for higher education cuts in every state they hold power because they're afraid of paying more taxes so they won't be able to afford another Jet ski.

Republicans for the past 50 years have raised taxes on lower- and middle-class people (and cut services) to compensate for lower taxes for the rich and big business. You can argue that it helps the economy, but there's literally no evidence to support that (in fact all the evidence says the exact opposite because consumer spending is the driver of our economy and young adults spend a far greater percentage of their income than the billionaires Republicans so try to protect) and further, if conservatives are proud of the strategy and think it works, they shouldn't need to cloak and obfuscate it to such a high degree.

(03-25-2015 09:31 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 07:59 AM)VA49er Wrote:  How were the Pell Grants hacked. The quoted piece just says it woudl would be capped at the current max for ten years. The whole "loan forgiveness" thing was asinine from the start.

The "holding the line is a cut" is a bunch of Orwellian cr@p.

That's govt accounting for you. Makes no sense.

(03-25-2015 11:13 AM)Max Power Wrote:  In this thread: Baby boomer Republicans who attended college for pennies on the dollar (or for free on the GI bill) in the 1960s and 70s and could get multiple career offers with a sociology degree straight out of college now take to lecturing young people about college being a scam and push for higher education cuts in every state they hold power because they're afraid of paying more taxes so they won't be able to afford another Jet ski.

Republicans for the past 50 years have raised taxes on lower- and middle-class people (and cut services) to compensate for lower taxes for the rich and big business. You can argue that it helps the economy, but there's literally no evidence to support that (in fact all the evidence says the exact opposite because consumer spending is the driver of our economy and young adults spend a far greater percentage of their income than the billionaires Republicans so try to protect) and further, if conservatives are proud of the strategy and think it works, they shouldn't need to cloak and obfuscate it to such a high degree.

You do know people can work and pay their way through college even today. It took me 5 years to get my degree but I graduated debt free. It wasn't easy to go to work every Friday night and Saturday morning while my friends were at the bar but I made a choice to stay debt free and not take out loans. The people who took those loans have to pay it back. Consider that life lesson 101.

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(03-25-2015 11:21 AM)Pigs N Heat BBQ Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 11:13 AM)Max Power Wrote:  In this thread: Baby boomer Republicans who attended college for pennies on the dollar (or for free on the GI bill) in the 1960s and 70s and could get multiple career offers with a sociology degree straight out of college now take to lecturing young people about college being a scam and push for higher education cuts in every state they hold power because they're afraid of paying more taxes so they won't be able to afford another Jet ski.

Republicans for the past 50 years have raised taxes on lower- and middle-class people (and cut services) to compensate for lower taxes for the rich and big business. You can argue that it helps the economy, but there's literally no evidence to support that (in fact all the evidence says the exact opposite because consumer spending is the driver of our economy and young adults spend a far greater percentage of their income than the billionaires Republicans so try to protect) and further, if conservatives are proud of the strategy and think it works, they shouldn't need to cloak and obfuscate it to such a high degree.

You do know people can work and pay their way through college even today. It took me 5 years to get my degree but I graduated debt free. It wasn't easy to go to work every Friday night and Saturday morning while my friends were at the bar but I made a choice to stay debt free and not take out loans. The people who took those loans have to pay it back. Consider that life lesson 101.

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I did the same thing, but had to get a loan for grad school, and it wasn't during the 60s and 70s. Seems folks feel entitled to everything these days. That's govt for you.

(03-25-2015 11:13 AM)Max Power Wrote:  In this thread: Baby boomer Republicans who attended college for pennies on the dollar (or for free on the GI bill) in the 1960s and 70s and could get multiple career offers with a sociology degree straight out of college now take to lecturing young people about college being a scam and push for higher education cuts in every state they hold power because they're afraid of paying more taxes so they won't be able to afford another Jet ski.

Republicans for the past 50 years have raised taxes on lower- and middle-class people (and cut services) to compensate for lower taxes for the rich and big business. You can argue that it helps the economy, but there's literally no evidence to support that (in fact all the evidence says the exact opposite because consumer spending is the driver of our economy and young adults spend a far greater percentage of their income than the billionaires Republicans so try to protect) and further, if conservatives are proud of the strategy and think it works, they shouldn't need to cloak and obfuscate it to such a high degree.

LOL not sure there are any boomers on here. Most of us are Xers that worked through college and are still paying loans and have scrapped and struggled our way through to better ourselves, not so way can fund your lazy generation so you don't have to struggle.

Quote:You do know people can work and pay their way through college even today. It took me 5 years to get my degree but I graduated debt free. It wasn't easy to go to work every Friday night and Saturday morning while my friends were at the bar but I made a choice to stay debt free and not take out loans. The people who took those loans have to pay it back. Consider that life lesson 101.

I had two jobs during my undergraduate (granted no job for my masters) and still had loans. Tulane is expensive though so I knew what I was getting into. But let's not pretend the reason college students are in debt is because of laziness.

(03-25-2015 11:13 AM)Max Power Wrote:  In this thread: Baby boomer Republicans who attended college for pennies on the dollar (or for free on the GI bill) in the 1960s and 70s and could get multiple career offers with a sociology degree straight out of college

Hardly. I am a among the first of the Millennials (graduated in 2K). I majored in Engineering and not sociology because I wanted to get a job and I worked two jobs while in school to keep my loans at a minimum.

Quote:now take to lecturing young people about college being a scam and push for higher education cuts in every state they hold power because they're afraid of paying more taxes so they won't be able to afford another Jet ski.

You say lecturing and I say informing. If you spend 50K on a philosophy degree all you'll end up with is debt.

Quote:Republicans for the past 50 years have raised taxes on lower- and middle-class people (and cut services) to compensate for lower taxes for the rich and big business.

Do we spend more money or less money than we did 50 years ago on social programs.

(03-25-2015 11:29 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

Quote:You do know people can work and pay their way through college even today. It took me 5 years to get my degree but I graduated debt free. It wasn't easy to go to work every Friday night and Saturday morning while my friends were at the bar but I made a choice to stay debt free and not take out loans. The people who took those loans have to pay it back. Consider that life lesson 101.

I had two jobs during my undergraduate (granted no job for my masters) and still had loans. Tulane is expensive though so I knew what I was getting into. But let's not pretend the reason college students are in debt is because of laziness.

I never said they were in debt because they were lazy. There are lots of reasons why they could be in debt. All I'm saying is why should I have to bail out people who don't want to pay their debt? There are a lot of ways to effectively cut down the costs of going to college. I'm all about staying debt free, if more people thought that way we wouldn't be in this mess. You agree?

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Xers are Boomer bootlickers. College costs didn't really spike until the last 15 years and by the time the recession hit they-- even the philosophy majors-- were firmly entrenched in the corporate structure so they had it pretty good too.

Unless you went to community college or had generous scholarships I find it hard to believe that you graduated with no debt whatsoever. If so I congratulate your state for appreciating the importance of funding higher education.

There are many reasons for the spike in student debt.

One of the primary ones being that every kid who graduates high school, regardless of performance.....for some reason feels entitled to go to college.

(03-25-2015 11:49 AM)Max Power Wrote:  Xers are Boomer bootlickers. College costs didn't really spike until the last 15 years and by the time the recession hit they-- even the philosophy majors-- were firmly entrenched in the corporate structure so they had it pretty good too.

Unless you went to community college or had generous scholarships I find it hard to believe that you graduated with no debt whatsoever. If so I congratulate your state for appreciating the importance of funding higher education.

Where did I say I graduated with no debt? I still have debt that I am paying on. The difference between you and I is that I don't feel entitled to have someone pay it for me. It is a monthly expense that I signed up for.

(03-25-2015 11:49 AM)Max Power Wrote:  Xers are Boomer bootlickers. College costs didn't really spike until the last 15 years and by the time the recession hit they-- even the philosophy majors-- were firmly entrenched in the corporate structure so they had it pretty good too.

Unless you went to community college or had generous scholarships I find it hard to believe that you graduated with no debt whatsoever. If so I congratulate your state for appreciating the importance of funding higher education.

Georgia has something called the hope scholarship. Its funded by the georgia lottery. If you graduate high school with a 3.0 they pay college tuition for any in state school. You must maintain a 3.0 in college to keep it. Most freshman lose it the first year. I fell in that category. I was presented a choice, pay my own way or drop out. I chose the first and at times had four jobs. It can be done. I graduated in 2010 so the spike as you call it had already happened.

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(03-25-2015 11:49 AM)Max Power Wrote:  Xers are Boomer bootlickers. College costs didn't really spike until the last 15 years and by the time the recession hit they-- even the philosophy majors-- were firmly entrenched in the corporate structure so they had it pretty good too.

Unless you went to community college or had generous scholarships I find it hard to believe that you graduated with no debt whatsoever. If so I congratulate your state for appreciating the importance of funding higher education.

I graduated with no monetary debt...just 5 years of service to the nation. And what raised the cost of college was the unsupported demand that everyone needed to go to college.

I'm not saying that depending on your specific circumstances you can't graduate debt free. It's possible to do so maybe if you worked 4 jobs and live at home and ate dinner with your parents and had your mom do your laundry and didn't buy books and never went to the bars (and got your first year paid for). If that's your case then I feel sorry for you. Unfortunately not everyone can do that, or handle it with a full courseload and make it.

How is the demand "unsupported"? Decades ago there was full employment and everyone who went to college could find a job. The problem is a lack of jobs, not a glut of education. Kids today know that their lifetime earning potential is far better as a college grad than not and many of the best employers won't give you an interview if you don't have one, so naturally they want a degree. It's not fair to cut off an opportunity to millions of kids that was available for previous generations because you want a tax cut or hold some subconscious grudge against the frat guys from your college days who didn't partake in your spartan lifestyle.