(03-24-2015 03:49 PM)subflea Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 01:54 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  If you walk up to someone on the street or at a party, wind up, look right at him and elbow him in the throat with a closed fist, that's assault (or battery, I guess, per BearcatJerry legal definitions are stupid, but check these out, Jerry http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=100318 , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_in...in_charges ) .

As far as suspensions, Sterling Gibbs got suspended 2 games for this: ( http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...all-video/ ) which looks pretty similar to me.

That Sterling Gibbs incident was not anywhere close to Ellis getting a little high with a forearm during a box out.

I really don't even understand why you are on this board. You are not a fan of UC, yet every post on CSN has been on the UC board.

Ellis was looking right at Hammons when he made contact. It wasn't getting a light high with his box out, it was a blatant cheap shot.
I've posted on 2 threads on this site, one about OSU and one about Xavier, those are the teams I'm fans of.

He sure didn't elbow the guy in the face while he was on the ground like Gibbs did. The incidents are not similar.


Then go find and OSU and a Xavier board where people will give a flying **** what you have to say.

(03-24-2015 04:00 PM)subflea Wrote:  He sure didn't elbow the guy in the face while he was on the ground like Gibbs did. The incidents are not similar.


Then go find and OSU and a Xavier board where people will give a flying **** what you have to say.

Standing up vs on the ground and throat vs forehead are not significant differences. They were both intentional acts of excessive violence.

(03-24-2015 04:08 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 04:00 PM)subflea Wrote:  He sure didn't elbow the guy in the face while he was on the ground like Gibbs did. The incidents are not similar.


Then go find and OSU and a Xavier board where people will give a flying **** what you have to say.

Standing up vs on the ground and throat vs forehead are not significant differences. They were both intentional acts of excessive violence.

Your OSU education is shining through.

(03-24-2015 04:08 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 04:00 PM)subflea Wrote:  He sure didn't elbow the guy in the face while he was on the ground like Gibbs did. The incidents are not similar.


Then go find and OSU and a Xavier board where people will give a flying **** what you have to say.

Standing up vs on the ground and throat vs forehead are not significant differences. They were both intentional acts of excessive violence.

You did not respond to my post about Rob Reynolds choking a Wisconsin player.

Back in the late 90s OSU player perform a drive by shooting.

Few other juicy gems from the choir boys on Victory Parkway:

Lloyd Price (armed robbery)
http://www.enquirer.com/xavier/2001/11/2..._star.html

Dedrick Finn(drug dealer)
http://www.courierpress.com/news/local-n...ng-charges

Isn't there a former XU player in prison for murder?

(03-24-2015 04:18 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  You did not respond to my post about Rob Reynolds choking a Wisconsin player.

What do you want me to respond to? The fact that it happened? I acknowledge that it happened. It was bad. I condemn it. ****** things often happen in the pile. This was one of those ****** things.

(03-24-2015 04:23 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  Few other juicy gems from the choir boys on Victory Parkway:

Lloyd Price (armed robbery)
http://www.enquirer.com/xavier/2001/11/2..._star.html

Dedrick Finn(drug dealer)
http://www.courierpress.com/news/local-n...ng-charges

Isn't there a former XU player in prison for murder?

There are 2 former XU players in prison for murder Andre Smith and Maurice Brantley.

(03-24-2015 04:27 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 04:18 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  You did not respond to my post about Rob Reynolds choking a Wisconsin player.

What do you want me to respond to? The fact that it happened? I acknowledge that it happened. It was bad. I condemn it. ****** things often happen in the pile. This was one of those ****** things.

The point Ben is that you come on this board and accuse UC having some renegade athletic dept. The point I am making is that UC is no worse than the two schools you follow.

In case people think OSU's poop doesn't stink:

"Just this past weekend, three Ohio State players were involved in separate incidents involving police. Running back Carlos Hyde was identified by police as a person of interest in an alleged assault of a woman at a bar. Cornerback Bradley Roby was arrested in Bloomington, Ind., on charges of battery resulting in bodily injuries after a disturbance at a nightclub, and freshman offensive lineman Tim Gardner was arrested for obstruction of official business. On July 14, freshman tight end Marcus Baugh was arrested for underage possession of alcohol and having a fake ID."
http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...e-football

"Tracy Sprinkle, a backup defensive end for the Buckeyes, was arrested Friday night following his alleged involvement in a bar brawl — but his trouble doesn't end there. The 19-year-old was caught with two small bags of cocaine, cops allege, according to a report obtained by Cleveland.com."
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/colleg...-1.1857403

Also the double standard I'm talking about isn't how the schools treat discipline problems but how the media is constantly looking to paint UC with the "thug" brush whereas the Xavier program is filled with choir boys. No one was too concerned with OSU football's legal troubles this season, either. If Miami(FL) had similar problems, it undoubtedly would have been touted as a return to their criminal past.

(03-24-2015 04:08 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 04:00 PM)subflea Wrote:  He sure didn't elbow the guy in the face while he was on the ground like Gibbs did. The incidents are not similar.


Then go find and OSU and a Xavier board where people will give a flying **** what you have to say.

Standing up vs on the ground and throat vs forehead are not significant differences. They were both intentional acts of excessive violence.

I played soccer for 10 years. When a player was pissing you off, you'd go into your next tackle hard. Not so hard that you fly in with a Bruce Lee style kick, but hard enough, and with enough force, to really display your anger. Often, it would be very apparent that the aggresor crossed their boundaries, and they'd be penalized accordingly. The intention was payback, a little pain, physical dominance, whatever, but the idea was to keep it within the laws of the game because contact sports often allow for such actions to take place in a controlled environment without letting the situation escalate beyond a hard foul. The same players that perform such actions are not dirty, and, often, would never think about assualting someone in a manner that does not relate to the game (such as a blatant punch after the competition). They simply see the game as a chance to manifest their anger into a form of athletically mediated revenge. There is a difference. Ellis went for a hard block out, within the laws of the game, but his hard elbow clearly expressed his passion, and he was subsequently ejected. He wasn't attempting to put the kid in the hospital, severely injure him, or anything like that.

Hopefully that doesn't sound too confusing.

(03-24-2015 04:33 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 04:27 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 04:18 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  You did not respond to my post about Rob Reynolds choking a Wisconsin player.

What do you want me to respond to? The fact that it happened? I acknowledge that it happened. It was bad. I condemn it. ****** things often happen in the pile. This was one of those ****** things.

The point Ben is that you come on this board and accuse UC having some renegade athletic dept. The point I am making is that UC is no worse than the two schools you follow.

I never said UC had a renegade athletic dept or anything like that. I said Ellis elbowed Hammons in the throat on national TV and wasn't suspended, so it's pretty ironic for a UC fan to make a big hullaballoo about Reynolds not getting suspended before an investigation could be completed. (for what it's worth it is now being reported to be a strictly verbal altercation)

Look... I don't condone Ellis' shot. But it's not like he didn't pay the price for it. HE GOT EJECTED. That's the remedy for his action.

And apparently the Jefferson County prosecutor disagrees with your assessment that this was assault and battery. Because no charges were filed. And it's not like Ellis went all "postal" on the refs or the other players. He made a decision, he took a shot, he got penalized for it. End-of-story. What sort of draconian world do you want to live in?

And I get it, by-the-way. OSU's season is just as much over as UC's and you're bored and trolling a little. Got it.

I suggest you find a new hobby outside of trolling. You're not very good at it.

(03-24-2015 04:36 PM)InspectorHound Wrote:  Also the double standard I'm talking about isn't how the schools treat discipline problems but how the media is constantly looking to paint UC with the "thug" brush whereas the Xavier program is filled with choir boys. No one was too concerned with OSU football's legal troubles this season, either. If Miami(FL) had similar problems, it undoubtedly would have been touted as a return to their criminal past.

If you haven't seen people talking about Urban like he's Al Capone you haven't been looking. People seriously try to implicate him in the Aaron Hernandez murders.

Urban at least to some extent earned his reputation at Florida, but his punishments have been rapid and severe at OSU.
Gardner was an incoming freshman when this happened I think, he was dismissed from the team. I don't know if he ever even got to campus, and I'm not sure details ever arose. The Hyde thing was a mess, he initially got kicked off the team and then when video surfaced and they realized he got slapped by a girl and retaliated by slapping her back (initially people were saying he just cold cocked some girl at the club), he was reinstated and suspended 3 games. Roby got in a shoving match with a bouncer and was suspended a game. I think Baugh has been arrested twice for underage drinking, the first time and has been suspended multiple games and cut off from the team for an extended period during the off season. Sprinkle got dismissed immediately, then reinstated later when the drug charges were dropped.
I think those are all pretty fair, although I could argue he should have been harsher on Baugh and lighter on Hyde.

(03-24-2015 05:16 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 04:36 PM)InspectorHound Wrote:  Also the double standard I'm talking about isn't how the schools treat discipline problems but how the media is constantly looking to paint UC with the "thug" brush whereas the Xavier program is filled with choir boys. No one was too concerned with OSU football's legal troubles this season, either. If Miami(FL) had similar problems, it undoubtedly would have been touted as a return to their criminal past.

If you haven't seen people talking about Urban like he's Al Capone you haven't been looking. People seriously try to implicate him in the Aaron Hernandez murders.

Urban at least to some extent earned his reputation at Florida, but his punishments have been rapid and severe at OSU.
Gardner was an incoming freshman when this happened I think, he was dismissed from the team. I don't know if he ever even got to campus, and I'm not sure details ever arose. The Hyde thing was a mess, he initially got kicked off the team and then when video surfaced and they realized he got slapped by a girl and retaliated by slapping her back (initially people were saying he just cold cocked some girl at the club), he was reinstated and suspended 3 games. Roby got in a shoving match with a bouncer and was suspended a game. I think Baugh has been arrested twice for underage drinking, the first time and has been suspended multiple games and cut off from the team for an extended period during the off season. Sprinkle got dismissed immediately, then reinstated later when the drug charges were dropped.
I think those are all pretty fair, although I could argue he should have been harsher on Baugh and lighter on Hyde.

You're right. I apologize on behalf of the posters on this board. To make up for our actions, I want to invite you to a party hosted by Duane Norman, a very prominent poster on this board.

(03-24-2015 05:25 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 05:16 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 04:36 PM)InspectorHound Wrote:  Also the double standard I'm talking about isn't how the schools treat discipline problems but how the media is constantly looking to paint UC with the "thug" brush whereas the Xavier program is filled with choir boys. No one was too concerned with OSU football's legal troubles this season, either. If Miami(FL) had similar problems, it undoubtedly would have been touted as a return to their criminal past.

If you haven't seen people talking about Urban like he's Al Capone you haven't been looking. People seriously try to implicate him in the Aaron Hernandez murders.

Urban at least to some extent earned his reputation at Florida, but his punishments have been rapid and severe at OSU.
Gardner was an incoming freshman when this happened I think, he was dismissed from the team. I don't know if he ever even got to campus, and I'm not sure details ever arose. The Hyde thing was a mess, he initially got kicked off the team and then when video surfaced and they realized he got slapped by a girl and retaliated by slapping her back (initially people were saying he just cold cocked some girl at the club), he was reinstated and suspended 3 games. Roby got in a shoving match with a bouncer and was suspended a game. I think Baugh has been arrested twice for underage drinking, the first time and has been suspended multiple games and cut off from the team for an extended period during the off season. Sprinkle got dismissed immediately, then reinstated later when the drug charges were dropped.
I think those are all pretty fair, although I could argue he should have been harsher on Baugh and lighter on Hyde.

You're right. I apologize on behalf of the posters on this board. To make up for our actions, I want to invite you to a party hosted by Duane Norman, a very prominent poster on this board.

Sorry, but Duane allows no one with 0 rep points into any of his parties, tell him to come back when he grows up.

(03-24-2015 04:56 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Look... I don't condone Ellis' shot. But it's not like he didn't pay the price for it. HE GOT EJECTED. That's the remedy for his action.

And apparently the Jefferson County prosecutor disagrees with your assessment that this was assault and battery. Because no charges were filed. And it's not like Ellis went all "postal" on the refs or the other players. He made a decision, he took a shot, he got penalized for it. End-of-story. What sort of draconian world do you want to live in?

And I get it, by-the-way. OSU's season is just as much over as UC's and you're bored and trolling a little. Got it.

I didn't say charges were going to be filed, or even that they should be filed, but that it was not a basketball act, and they could be. I mean, Yancy wasn't charged. But, similar flagrant fouls have resulted in suspensions and I believe that one was warranted.

Excellent Coop, he can now join.